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petegz28 04-23-2010 06:51 PM

Ok, Grade the first 3 rounds of the draft
 
poll coming...

DBOSHO 04-23-2010 06:53 PM

1. A
2. z
3. c

Dave Lane 04-23-2010 06:53 PM

1 - A
2 - D
3 - C+

MMXcalibur 04-23-2010 06:53 PM

A+, because they're the Chiefs.

wazu 04-23-2010 06:53 PM

Can't believe they were so bad in the second round that I have to give them a C+. But pissing away two picks with all that talent on the board is inexcusable. Infuriating.

petegz28 04-23-2010 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 6706220)
Can't believe they were so bad in the second round that I have to give them a C+. But pissing away two picks with all that talent on the board is inexcusable. Infuriating.

I gave them a B- simply because McCluster was a must take at that spot or Philly snags him.

SenselessChiefsFan 04-23-2010 06:55 PM

Round 1-A
2-B,B
3-A

So, a B+. Hey, not saying I would have done the same things with the picks, but at least I think the guys they got are studs.

Kyle DeLexus 04-23-2010 06:55 PM

C- because of the 2nd round. We basically have as many holes in the starting lineup as we did to start the day.

Saul Good 04-23-2010 06:56 PM

Without making a trade, they could have had Berry, Clausen, and Cody in the first 2 rounds alone. D

BigChiefFan 04-23-2010 06:57 PM

D-

Absolute trash for addressing the defense. Berry's great, the rest are assinine moves for a team devoid of defensive talent.

Huffman83 04-23-2010 06:58 PM

I like the first and the 3rd. the #2's I'm up in the air about. I could accept the McCluster pick w/ the idea of returns and a slot receiver play maker.

But then when they drafted Arenas.....instead of say...Cody, Golden Tate, Brandon Spikes. I just don't get it.

Reaper16 04-23-2010 06:58 PM

C-

cdcox 04-23-2010 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6706234)
I gave them a B- simply because McCluster was a must take at that spot or Philly snags him.

And the downside of this is?

wazu 04-23-2010 07:00 PM

For me the picks go: A, F, F, A

The plus is added for the fact that Berry is just that awesome.

Icon 04-23-2010 07:00 PM

1. A+
2a. C
2b. D
3. B

petegz28 04-23-2010 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6706275)
And the downside of this is?

Too clarify, I don't think the McCluster pick was bad. I do think the Arenas pick was bad. That is what drug down the grade. I should have said that better.

cdcox 04-23-2010 07:03 PM

This isn't a team that can be taking role players in the 2nd round.

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 07:03 PM

there is no grade appropriate to the 2nd round relative to the picks we had and the value available....so bad no words can describe it


Berry is an A
Assmooga is a A simply because he could be an immediate starter and is not the pathetic disaster of the 2nd round picks...but we still took a guard while having no nt and no lbs or pass rushers on an absolute joke of a defense

SenselessChiefsFan 04-23-2010 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6706249)
Without making a trade, they could have had Berry, Clausen, and Cody in the first 2 rounds alone. D

So, basically, you wanted a stud and two busts?

Mecca 04-23-2010 07:04 PM

Because Philly wanted a guy is not an acceptable reason to take someone.

Hammock Parties 04-23-2010 07:04 PM

I gave them a D+ because a blind, reeruned squirrel that just fell out of Hamas' AIDS tree could have picked Eric Berry.

Sanka 04-23-2010 07:04 PM

ROUND) SCORE - GRADE

1) 95 - A

2) negative 15 - F minus

3) 87 - B plus

wazu 04-23-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6706312)
I gave them a D+ because a blind, reeruned squirrel that just fell out of Hamas' AIDS tree could have picked Eric Berry.

That same squirrel could have picked any two of about ten players in the second round and scored an A for the round.

SenselessChiefsFan 04-23-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6706308)
Because Philly wanted a guy is not an acceptable reason to take someone.

No, the acceptable reason is that he projects out to be the next Wes Welker. He isn't a reach because Philly was going to take him.

Of course, then again, maybe they just lucked into a QB at some point and they are a bunch of idiots too.

booger 04-23-2010 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6706296)
Too clarify, I don't think the McCluster pick was bad. I do think the Arenas pick was bad. That is what drug down the grade. I should have said that better.

pretty much spot on with my thoughts. One or the other IMO but not both of the 2nds with the needs. Mccluster could be a slot and return guy but the downside is his 172 lb frame. Arenas has the return skills as well but won't ever be more than a nickel CB.

I really like the Asumoah pick.

Gonna have to hope Cam Thomas slides to rd 4 to find our NT. ILB Donald Butler would be nice to have too.

Mr. Flopnuts 04-23-2010 07:08 PM

2 out of 4 picks are starters. In this draft, that's an F. Drafting Berry instead of Okung made me move it up to a D.

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 07:10 PM

why the **** are people running around claiming mccluster is the next wes welker?

cdcox 04-23-2010 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706358)
why the **** are people running around claiming mccluster is the next wes welker?

Because Pioli drafted him, silly!

petegz28 04-23-2010 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706358)
why the **** are people running around claiming mccluster is the next wes welker?

You're right. He is faster and has better moves than Welker.

RedThat 04-23-2010 07:12 PM

Berry-A+

McCluster-B+

Arenas-D

Asamouh-A

Hammock Parties 04-23-2010 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706358)
why the **** are people running around claiming mccluster is the next wes welker?

I did, because honestly, I'm trying to make sense of the pick.

He's not Welker. But he damn well needs to be to justify that pick. :doh!:

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6706370)
You're right. He is faster and has better moves than Welker.

amazing

petegz28 04-23-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6706341)
2 out of 4 picks are starters. In this draft, that's an F. Drafting Berry instead of Okung made me move it up to a D.

I'd say 3 out of 4 if not 4.

Berry starts...
Mccluster is 1st string slot
Arenas will be the punt returner if not kick and punt
Asamoah could win a starting spot if he can beat out Lilja

petegz28 04-23-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706379)
amazing

Isn't it??? :D

Ebolapox 04-23-2010 07:15 PM

it sickens me that we passed on clausen and cody for the ying-yang twins. ****.

BryanBusby 04-23-2010 07:17 PM

Give it a flat C. Berry of course was total win, McCluster I understand, Williams I don't even ****ing know and Aso is a great pick. Would of liked to have seen some attention along the front 7 of the D, hence why it's a C.

I fully expected them to not take Clausen, so I'm not butthurt like others on CP. I'm glad as hell they didnt take fat tits.

kcfan82 04-23-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 6706321)
That same squirrel could have picked any two of about ten players in the second round and scored an A for the round.

I could have thrown at a dart board in the 2nd round and had a better draft.

Jethopper 04-23-2010 07:19 PM

We just drafted a mid second round player in the 3rd. Stop saying that is a C

RedThat 04-23-2010 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706305)
there is no grade appropriate to the 2nd round relative to the picks we had and the value available....so bad no words can describe it


Berry is an A
Assmooga is a A simply because he could be an immediate starter and is not the pathetic disaster of the 2nd round picks...but we still took a guard while having no nt and no lbs or pass rushers on an absolute joke of a defense

Well, look at it this way, overall, so far it's a pretty solid draft. Im with ya on the defense. I think that is the direction they should of gone in the 2nd preferably either NT or LB with both picks.

I still like McCluster though. He is gonna make an impact, and is not that bad of a pick. The team has many question marks and holes as it is, and is not going to address it all in one night anyway. Im still expecting them to be sh*t next year. I think they'll improve but they'll be in position to get another good draft pick next year imo.

Rebuilding process could be long one. We can't always expect them to pick the guys we want. But if they're still getting good value with their picks and making use of them, that is what matters most. I can see that coming out of this draft so far.

Jethopper 04-23-2010 07:20 PM

According to espn draft tracker.
What he brings: We are surprised Asamoah made it this far down the board. As a run blocker he takes very good angles, shows functional inline power and is an excellent blocker in space. He also shows good awareness in pass protection and should develop quickly into a starter who has a long, productive career.

booger 04-23-2010 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6706377)
I did, because honestly, I'm trying to make sense of the pick.

He's not Welker. But he damn well needs to be to justify that pick. :doh!:

He's DeSean Jackson size, a bit smaller. I don't see him having the flat out 40 time speed though. And without a compact frame like sproles or someone similar you have to worry about injury. I don't mind the risk with the pick though. Just taking arenas in the same round with as many needs and quality there irks me.

RedThat 04-23-2010 07:21 PM

Asamouh is a great pick. No doubt.

ForeverChiefs58 04-23-2010 07:31 PM

why would ANYONE not take a player in the 2nd that you have rated as top 5, or top 10 or even in the first round!

booger 04-23-2010 07:41 PM

Ellis Hobbs from Iowa St. and was a cb and KR is probably a good comparrison for arenas. better returner than CB.

AZChief 04-23-2010 07:47 PM

Berry: A/95% (glad they went w/ playmaker rather than OL at 5)
McCluster: C/75% (v. good player, not a great fit)
Arenas: D-/60% (awful pick given we already took McC and the holes on roster)
Asamoah: A-/90% (great value at needed position)
Moeaki: F/55% (why did God make me a Chiefs' fan?)

Overall: C/75%

ghak99 04-23-2010 07:57 PM

1. A+
2a. C
2b. ****ing reeruned
3. A

ClevelandBronco 04-23-2010 08:00 PM

I think you just slipped to a B-.

tk13 04-23-2010 08:01 PM

Hey now! Don't forget the TE! It's an A+ now.

banyon 04-23-2010 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6706249)
Without making a trade, they could have had Berry, Clausen, and Cody in the first 2 rounds alone. D

I agree with this assessment, but since they took Berry, I grade them a C. Otherwise, spot on.

FAX 04-23-2010 08:08 PM

It was the best of drafts, it was the worst of drafts. It was the age of shorties, it was the age of reaches. It was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity.

FAX

DrRyan 04-23-2010 08:14 PM

1 - A
2 - D-
3 - C-

Eric Berry was a great pick. Love it. Had they gone any other way I would have pulled out my pitch fork.

Round two was about as bad as I could have imagined. How can you possibly draft two guys 5'8" or shorter with all that stud talent there? I would have been happy had they drafted any of: Benn, Tate, Kindle, Griffen, Nate Allen, Troup, Clausen, Joseph, Lee, Cody, Charles Brown, Ducasse, D. Williams or Donald Butler in the second. They could have picked any combo of two of them and I would have been at least appeased.

How they could possibly pass up so much talent in areas of need just blows my mind.

LaChapelle 04-23-2010 08:14 PM

redo this poll
2 more picks spent

OleMissCub 04-23-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706379)
amazing

not watched much film on McCluster? His moves make even the best defenders look completely foolish. Hate the pick if you want, but the guy is a freak.

I'll post it again. This is what he did recently

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

You guys are gonna be very pleasantly surprised.

FAX 04-23-2010 08:19 PM

I don't mind the McCluster pick one bit, to be honest. Find a way to get this guy the ball in space and somebody get a downfield block for the cherry. No problem.

The CB? He's a nickle guy in the NFL ... maybe. Trading up to take an injury prone TE? Those are absolute head scratchers.

FAX

Contrarian 04-23-2010 08:22 PM

OleMiss you can't tell that to most of these whiney bitches. They would rather have a DB with 5.6 speed, a DL with a microfracture, a NT that looks like a bowl of jello, or a QB that fell so far down the draft his ego wouldn't allow him to be seen on TV.

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6706868)
not watched much film on McCluster? His moves make even the best defenders look completely foolish. Hate the pick if you want, but the guy is a freak.

I'll post it again. This is what he did recently

against SEC teams this year

Arkansas - 260 YDS
Auburn - 203 YDS
Tennessee - 342 YDS
LSU - 164 YDS
Miss St - 145 YDS
Vandy - 176 YDS

and against Big XII teams

Texas Tech - 180 YDS
OK State - 229 YDS

Also the only SEC player in History with 1,000+ yards rushing and 500+ yards receiving in a single season.

You guys are gonna be very pleasantly surprised.

i live in sec country and watched him regularly

spare me your fanboi enthusiasm

OleMissCub 04-23-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706903)
i live in sec country and watched him regularly

spare me your fanboi enthusiasm

I didn't make up the stats....

the Talking Can 04-23-2010 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6706932)
I didn't make up the stats....

and i don't give a shit what college homers think

drafting a 90lb hb from a wildcat offense to be (correction...teaching to be from scratch) a slot wr in the NFL with the 36th pick in the strongest draft in memory is not something that makes me jizz in my face


but you will find plenty of fans to indulge you, so please enjoy your time here

OleMissCub 04-23-2010 08:34 PM

hell ya I'm a homer. I love the guy. He took us to back to back Cotton Bowls.

But the stats have no bias. Anyone who obliterates SEC defenses like that is pretty solid, doesn't matter how big he is.

And the VAST majority of his yards didn't come out of the wildcat offense. Most Ole Miss fans aren't big on "the wild rebel" because it rarely did anything when it was used.

melbar 04-24-2010 12:55 AM

1 A
2 D-
3 B

The great teams constantly pick guys that make you say "Aw man! That totally makes sence and makes them better! Great pick!" This is not the "patriot way". We take lesser players at positions of lesser need instead of Greater players at positions of Grater need. Fail.

melbar 04-24-2010 12:59 AM

Oh ya 3b.....d.

IR before the first game.

Pushead2 04-24-2010 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6706308)
Because Philly wanted a guy is not an acceptable reason to take someone.

couldn't agree more...:cuss:

Messier 04-24-2010 05:49 AM

Being a starter really doesn't matter. I'll bet McCluster will have more impact on more games than any of the other WRs taken in the 2nd this year. That being said, I'm not a fan of taking the CB or trading up for the TE. Why no LB? We need one so badly.

Rausch 04-24-2010 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6706885)
I don't mind the McCluster pick one bit, to be honest. Find a way to get this guy the ball in space and somebody get a downfield block for the cherry. No problem.

The CB? He's a nickle guy in the NFL ... maybe. Trading up to take an injury prone TE? Those are absolute head scratchers.

FAX

Stupid is just a mother****er to stomach.

Just is...

TEX 04-24-2010 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6706305)
there is no grade appropriate to the 2nd round relative to the picks we had and the value available....so bad no words can describe it


Berry is an A
Assmooga is a A simply because he could be an immediate starter and is not the pathetic disaster of the 2nd round picks...but we still took a guard while having no nt and no lbs or pass rushers on an absolute joke of a defense


The guard was the right choice in round 3. The 2nd round picks were not for the reasons you listed. One of the worst front 7's in the NFL and we totally ignore that in round 2. :shake:

1 - A+
2a - D -
2b - F
3a - A
3b - F
__________________

Crush 04-24-2010 06:03 AM

1 - A+
2a - C
2b - D+
3a - A
3b - F

Rausch 04-24-2010 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral Crunch (Post 6708558)
1 - A+
2a - C
2b - D+
3a - A
3b - F

I'd give 2a a D and 2b an F but other than that I'm in complete agreement...

Crush 04-24-2010 06:36 AM

DISCLAIMER: I voted before we traded up to take Broke Dick Teoki. I wish I could change my vote to a solid D.

KCChiefsMan 04-24-2010 06:37 AM

2nd round was pretty awful. We got Snoop Minnis and Hank Poteat over real NFL talent.

Rausch 04-24-2010 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan (Post 6708599)
2nd round was pretty awful. We got Snoop Minnis and Hank Poteat over real NFL talent.

LMAO

the Talking Can 04-24-2010 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan (Post 6708599)
2nd round was pretty awful. We got Snoop Minnis and Hank Poteat over real NFL talent.


how dare you make Zach cry


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