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Mr. Laz 09-05-2010 01:03 PM

Chiefs sign practice squad
 
NFL Roster Cuts: Chiefs Quickly Establish 8-Man Practice Squad

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The Kansas City Chiefs released 13 players over the weekend but announced on Sunday that eight of those players would be returning to the practice squad.

Here's the list of the Chiefs first practice squad:
  • NT Garrett Brown
  • DE Dion Gales
  • RT Bobby Greenwood
  • G Darryl Harris
  • QB Tyler Palko
  • DB Ricky Price
  • WR Verran Tucker
  • LB Pierre Walters
I'm not too surprised at any of these. Palko woud be one quick transaction away if Matt Cassel went down.

What do you think of the practice squad? About what you expected?

tonyetony 09-05-2010 01:08 PM

I thought the might bring Lokey back but other than that it's about what I expected.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-05-2010 01:10 PM

Hey Colin Brown:

http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/s.../Gifs/gtfo.gif

Chiefshrink 09-05-2010 01:11 PM

Was Garrett Brown originally cut by us or was he on another team? What is the scoop on this kid?:shrug:

the Talking Can 09-05-2010 01:11 PM

harris

cool

Direckshun 09-05-2010 01:15 PM

Over half our practice squad are folks who didn't make it on our team.

So... let's bring them back in, shall we?

Slainte 09-05-2010 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 6979391)
I thought the might bring Lokey back

As did I. Oh well.

Direckshun 09-05-2010 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6979402)
harris

cool

You know... eventually, you think we'd give Harris a ****ing shot.

How long has this guy been filling the back end of our roster? Isn't this his third season here?

Just give the guy a ****ing shot.

-King- 09-05-2010 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6979404)
Over half our practice squad are folks who didn't make it on our team.

So... let's bring them back in, shall we?

Thats pretty much how the practice squad works....

Saccopoo 09-05-2010 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 6979400)
Was Garrett Brown originally cut by us or was he on another team? What is the scoop on this kid?:shrug:

Nice of you to pay attention to the off-season.

He was picked up by us as an UDFA rookie that played last season at the University of Minnesota.

One of those guys that could have went in the fourth round or undrafted. He was the later. Purportedly a good guy, a very hard worker that needs to get stronger in the weight room and on the field, but has some potential, i.e., practice squad material.

-King- 09-05-2010 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6979406)
You know... eventually, you think we'd give Harris a ****ing shot.

How long has this guy been filling the back end of our roster? Isn't this his third season here?

Just give the guy a ****ing shot.

Um... he was starting for us while Waters was injured...and then he got injured...

Brock 09-05-2010 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6979404)
Over half our practice squad are folks who didn't make it on our team.

So... let's bring them back in, shall we?

wut

chiefzilla1501 09-05-2010 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 6979400)
Was Garrett Brown originally cut by us or was he on another team? What is the scoop on this kid?:shrug:

Undrafted rookie from I think Minnesota. Good to see that they saw enough to keep him. I didn't see him at all this preseason, so no idea if the kid's any good.

RealSNR 09-05-2010 01:20 PM

Pierre Walters is a better LB than that Justin Cole guy. I've never even ****ing heard of him.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-05-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6979418)
Pierre Walters is a better LB than that Justin Cole guy. I've never even ****ing heard of him.

Cole was the guy who caused Arenas' kick return TD in ATL to get called back.

He was also a pretty productive player at SJSU.

Direckshun 09-05-2010 01:22 PM

Cole was strong on special teams.

I've seen absolutely nothing out of Walters that justifies keeping him.

Direckshun 09-05-2010 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6979419)
Cole was the guy who caused Arenas' kick return TD in ATL to get called back.

He was also a pretty productive player at SJSU.

I thought that was Herron? Oh well.

chiefzilla1501 09-05-2010 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 6979418)
Pierre Walters is a better LB than that Justin Cole guy. I've never even ****ing heard of him.

They don't play the same position.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-05-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6979422)
I thought that was Herron? Oh well.

You know what, I think you're right. There is an article out there that blames it on Cole, but once you said Herron I was reminded of him doing something stupid that should have cost him a roster spot.

Oh, and Pierre Walters has done........well, nothing.

Direckshun 09-05-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6979427)
You know what, I think you're right. There is an article out there that blames it on Cole, but once you said Herron I was reminded of him doing something stupid that should have cost him a roster spot.

Oh, and Pierre Walters has done........well, nothing.

Yeah, I remember Arenas' return being called back, and I shouted "cut his ass."

Herron popped up on the replay.

And now has been cut.

-King- 09-05-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6979427)
You know what, I think you're right. There is an article out there that blames it on Cole, but once you said Herron I was reminded of him doing something stupid that should have cost him a roster spot.

Oh, and Pierre Walters has done........well, nothing.

Nah, it was Cole. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSFY...eature=related

#57 unless the ref got the number wrong.

Chiefshrink 09-05-2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6979412)
Nice of you to pay attention to the off-season.

Thx for the info but please get a life with some maturity. Some of us have not only have a life outside the NFL but responsibilities that go with it apparently unlike you:rolleyes:

Direckshun 09-05-2010 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6979432)
Nah, it was Cole. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSFY...eature=related

#57 unless the ref got the number wrong.

:thumb:

Rain Man 09-05-2010 01:45 PM

I had never heard of Tucker before, but he actually looked pretty decent in the Green Bay game.

the Talking Can 09-05-2010 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6979406)
You know... eventually, you think we'd give Harris a ****ing shot.

How long has this guy been filling the back end of our roster? Isn't this his third season here?

Just give the guy a ****ing shot.

i think we did give him a shot...then the injury

would be pretty surprised if he doesn't play for us at some point this year

Deberg_1990 09-05-2010 02:03 PM

can someone tell me what the Chiefs see in Palko??

-King- 09-05-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6979488)
can someone tell me what the Chiefs see in Palko??

A practice squad qb?

clyde05 09-05-2010 02:09 PM

just curious how much money do practice squad players make?

Stinger 09-05-2010 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyde05 (Post 6979497)
just curious how much money do practice squad players make?

NFL practice squad players are paid $5,200 a week minimum but teams may choose to pay them more if they'd like. This doesn't usually happen. The players will also get small signing bonuses, usually in the area of a couple thousand bucks.

clyde05 09-05-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 6979501)
NFL practice squad players are paid $5,200 a week minimum but teams may choose to pay them more if they'd like. This doesn't usually happen. The players will also get small signing bonuses, usually in the area of a couple thousand bucks.

thanks

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 6979406)
You know... eventually, you think we'd give Harris a ****ing shot.

How long has this guy been filling the back end of our roster? Isn't this his third season here?

Just give the guy a ****ing shot.

Darryl Harris was an undrafted rookie free agent in 2009.

This will be his second season in the league.

This is exactly what I predicted yesterday. He was starting before the injury and rather than place him on IR (where he'd be lost for the year) or the PUP (six weeks), he can now practice with the team (or not) and can be placed on the active roster at any time.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 02:44 PM

It's utterly ****ing amazing to me that Scott Pioli burned a 5th round pick on Colin Brown last year when he most likely would have gone undrafted.

Then, he stashes him on IR for the year, even though the severity of the injury was never mentioned.

A year later, the ****ing guy isn't even worth putting on the Practice Squad? Are you kidding me?

Nice scouting, Pioli.

FAX 09-05-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979541)
It's utterly ****ing amazing to me that Scott Pioli burned a 5th round pick on Colin Brown last year when he most likely would have gone undrafted.

Then, he stashes him on IR for the year, even though the severity of the injury was never mentioned.

A year later, the ****ing guy isn't even worth putting on the Practice Squad? Are you kidding me?

Nice scouting, Pioli.

I've given this considerable thought and I think it's pretty clear that, in 2009, our scouts consisted of a blind clown named "Blinky" and two lesbian midget wrestlers from Mexico City.

FAX

chiefs1111 09-05-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979541)
It's utterly ****ing amazing to me that Scott Pioli burned a 5th round pick on Colin Brown last year when he most likely would have gone undrafted.

Then, he stashes him on IR for the year, even though the severity of the injury was never mentioned.

A year later, the ****ing guy isn't even worth putting on the Practice Squad? Are you kidding me?

Nice scouting, Pioli.

It's a process.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6979542)
I've given this considerable thought and I think it's pretty clear that, in 2009, our scouts consisted of a blind clown named "Blinky" and two lesbian midget wrestlers from Mexico City.

FAX

It's frustrating.

Call me a "Drafturbator" or "Draftabulator" or whatever you'd like, but the bottom line is that is that I correctly predicted the awful nature of our 2009 NFL draft (along with Goff, Thomas, Engram, et al).

I wish I had been wrong. Or at least, I wish someone had paid me $5 million a year in 2009 to be right.

If Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee continue to tread water, it will set this franchise back even further because they'll need at least two more 3-4, 5 tech defensive ends before truly being able to compete, along with at least one inside linebacker and a QB.

More to the point, the Chiefs will need the same exact players in 2011 as they drafted/traded for in 2009.

:facepalm:

kcwild 09-05-2010 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979541)
It's utterly ****ing amazing to me that Scott Pioli burned a 5th round pick on Colin Brown last year when he most likely would have gone undrafted.

Then, he stashes him on IR for the year, even though the severity of the injury was never mentioned.

A year later, the ****ing guy isn't even worth putting on the Practice Squad? Are you kidding me?

Nice scouting, Pioli.

Wasn't the scouting department in 2009 part of the old regime? Pioli had been hired so late that he had to go with what was already in place?

Not to defend him in any case, since ultimately it is his ass on the line, but this year was drafted much (we hope) better than last.

Hammock Parties 09-05-2010 03:02 PM

Darryl Harris...the Dane McCloud dream lives on.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcwild (Post 6979553)
Wasn't the scouting department in 2009 part of the old regime? Pioli had been hired so late that he had to go with what was already in place?

No. Absolutely not. I said this last year and it's been verified by Bob Gretz as well.

The Chiefs scouts turned in their reports, which Pioli promptly tossed in the trash. He used all of his reports compiled by New England's scouts for the 2009 draft.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6979556)
Darryl Harris...the Dane McCloud dream lives on.

Well obviously, I'm not the only one who sees it with this kid.

I just hope that someday soon, he owns the position and keeps it for a decade.

KCFalcon59 09-05-2010 03:05 PM

The scouting excuse pisses me off to no end. Isn't scouting and assessing talent a year long job? I don't care if you change teams you should be aware of what talent is out there and draft accordingly. There is no excuse to draft that poorly given the fact that Pioli was supposed to be the best available GM out there. JFC.

:cuss::cuss::cuss:

KCFalcon59 09-05-2010 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979557)
No. Absolutely not. I said this last year and it's been verified by Bob Gretz as well.

The Chiefs scouts turned in their reports, which Pioli promptly tossed in the trash. He used all of his reports compiled by New England's scouts for the 2009 draft.

That makes it even worse. JFC

Mr. Laz 09-05-2010 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6979556)
Darryl Harris...the Dane McCloud dream lives on.

Quentin Lawrence ... the Dane McCloud dream lives on

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6979562)
Quentin Lawrence ... the Dane McCloud dream lives on

Uh, no, ****Face

rad 09-05-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979541)
It's utterly ****ing amazing to me that Scott Pioli burned a 5th round pick on Colin Brown last year when he most likely would have gone undrafted.

Then, he stashes him on IR for the year, even though the severity of the injury was never mentioned.

A year later, the ****ing guy isn't even worth putting on the Practice Squad? Are you kidding me?

Nice scouting, Pioli.

I think it's better than a GM that stubbornly holds on to turds just because he drafted them. Flush 'em and move on. Let's hope he'll be willing to do the same thing with the QB if it doesn't pan out this year.

Mr. Laz 09-05-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979564)
Uh, no, ****Face

.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6072821)
Seriously, though.

How good would our receiving corp be with Bowe, Wade, Baskett, Bradley and Lawrence?

I think it could be very good and the front office might not even have to spend a draft choice on the position next year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6436484)
Thats not true. Quinten Lawrence has some promise and good teams devople guys like him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6436510)
Not according to Laz

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6075912)
No way Lawrence is cut, Dude.

NONE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6075938)
He(Lawrence) won't make it through waivers.

Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Haley turned 5th rounder Steve Breaston into a 1,000 yard receiver his second season. And that was next to Fitzgerald and Boldin.

If Haley saw enough in Lawrence to keep him on the 53 man roster, he's going nowhere.

The next logical step would be to cut Copper (who's invisible) or Engram and that's only IF they claim someone like Baskett and get him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6075959)
Dude, he's too fast and has way too much upside to try and sneak him through waivers.

If the Chiefs get Baskett (or another free agent receiver), Copper or Engram will be the next to go.


DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad (Post 6979571)
I think it's better than a GM that stubbornly holds on to turds just because he drafted them. Flush 'em and move on. Let's hope he'll be willing to do the same thing with the QB if it doesn't pan out this year.

If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

rad 09-05-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979586)
If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

The higher the pick, the longer the leash, I guess.

DaFace 09-05-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979552)
It's frustrating.

Call me a "Drafturbator" or "Draftabulator" or whatever you'd like, but the bottom line is that is that I correctly predicted the awful nature of our 2009 NFL draft (along with Goff, Thomas, Engram, et al).

I wish I had been wrong. Or at least, I wish someone had paid me $5 million a year in 2009 to be right.

If Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee continue to tread water, it will set this franchise back even further because they'll need at least two more 3-4, 5 tech defensive ends before truly being able to compete, along with at least one inside linebacker and a QB.

More to the point, the Chiefs will need the same exact players in 2011 as they drafted/traded for in 2009.

:facepalm:

It could've been worse. At least we didn't trade a 1st round pick to take a player that was cut a year later. Granted, our first rounders haven't exactly been lighting it up lately.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad (Post 6979605)
The higher the pick, the longer the leash, I guess.

Which, no offense, negates your earlier thoughts.

The Chiefs have too much money invested in TyJack and Cassel than to just cut them after one year (that would be $30 million out the door with minimal to no return on investment).

I guess they'd rather shell out another $30 million before determining their fate.

:eek:

keg in kc 09-05-2010 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979586)
If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

If you're disappointed because he didn't dump starters on cutdown day, then I'd say you're just looking to be disappointed. Magee's another story, although it looked like he may have gotten the "you're expendable" message judging by the way he played against the Packers. I'm thinking somebody straight out told him "show something or you're gone".

There's still some conjecture that Jackson maybe needs to get that message, too, but I can't say either way on that.

As far as Cassel goes, the problem with cutting him now is that he was the only first string QB throughout the offseason and preseason it would leave Croyle as the only QB on the roster. If they were going to make that move, it needed to be done in March, not now.

RealSNR 09-05-2010 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979586)
If he had dumped Magee, Jackson and Cassel, I'd agree.

But he hasn't.

Yet.

This.

The only good moves Pioli has made other than the Thomas Jones signing have been SUCH gimmes. Cutting Mike Brown, signing Lilja (representing offensive line help), Chambers, drafting Eric Berry, etc. These are all moves 99.9% of the tards here on Chiefsplanet would have made. They're so obvious. No amount of NFL experience was necessary to make these choices.

People said, "PIOLI IS REDEEMED" with the home run pick of Berry. Uhh... no, not really. Scott Pioli wouldn't have been able to show his face at an NFL executive meeting without others pointing and laughing at him if he didn't pick. Hell, he's made so many goddamn mistakes that he probably wanted to take some asshole like Okung but instead drafted Berry out of fear.

I will give him credit. His personal connections did land us two pretty damn good coordinators. All of his other moves have been dogshit.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6979621)
If you're disappointed because he didn't dump starters on cutdown day, then I'd say you're just looking to be disappointed. Magee's another story, although it looked like he may have gotten the "you're expendable" message judging by the way he played against the Packers. I'm thinking somebody straight out told him "show something or you're gone".

There's still some conjecture that Jackson maybe needs to get that message, too, but I can't say either way on that.

As far as Cassel goes, the problem with cutting him now is that he was the only first string QB throughout the offseason and preseason it would leave Croyle as the only QB on the roster. If they were going to make that move, it needed to be done in March, not now.

My post was contradictory to Rad's, not a realistic depiction of events.

There are some here that think Cassel won't be cut in 2011, regardless of his 2010 performance because that would mean Pioli admitting defeat. I'm not to condemn him at this point but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

But IMO, there is no reason why Magee should be on the squad. None.

keg in kc 09-05-2010 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979630)
There are some here that think Cassel won't be cut in 2011, regardless of his 2010 performance because that would mean Pioli admitting defeat. I'm not to condemn him at this point but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I'm with you on that one. I think if Cassel plays poorly to the point that it costs the team victories, he's gone. What I worry about (and what I expect to see) is what happens when Cassel has an average year that doesn't either significantly hamper or enhance the team's performance.

the Talking Can 09-05-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6979642)
I'm with you on that one. I think if Cassel plays poorly to the point that it costs the team victories, he's gone. What I worry about (and what I expect to see) is what happens when Cassel has an average year that doesn't either significantly hamper or enhance the team's performance.

he could - and should - easily put up an 80 QB rating with Weis' dink and dunk...

which would probably mean we keep him for 4 years

and all the pats fans, pioli zombies, and pawnsmokers spend two more years celebrating the time we're wasting on a fraud...

and then we start all over again in 2012

i honestly believe this is the most probable series of events...and it makes me want to kill all the candy and sunshine in the world

Mr. Laz 09-05-2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6979653)
and it makes me want to kill all the candy and sunshine in the world

ROFLROFL


i know this feeling

Sfeihc 09-05-2010 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979552)
It's frustrating.

Call me a "Drafturbator" or "Draftabulator" or whatever you'd like, but the bottom line is that is that I correctly predicted the awful nature of our 2009 NFL draft (along with Goff, Thomas, Engram, et al).

I wish I had been wrong. Or at least, I wish someone had paid me $5 million a year in 2009 to be right.

If Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee continue to tread water, it will set this franchise back even further because they'll need at least two more 3-4, 5 tech defensive ends before truly being able to compete, along with at least one inside linebacker and a QB.

More to the point, the Chiefs will need the same exact players in 2011 as they drafted/traded for in 2009.

:facepalm:

I honestly think Pioli is stealin' the Hunt's money. That draft last year set the franchise back as much as any of CP's. Don't look now but I think the Lions are closer to building a consistent winner than our Chiefs.

CoMoChief 09-05-2010 04:32 PM

JETS RELEASE TRICH!!!!!

Come on Pioli, sign him to a 1 yr deal, let him retire a Chief.

DaFace 09-05-2010 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6979686)
JETS RELEASE TRICH!!!!!

Come on Pioli, sign him to a 1 yr deal, let him retire a Chief.

Ain't gonna happen, but I wouldn't bitch if it did. TRich's departure was symbolic - the team hasn't been competitive since he left.

Mecca 09-05-2010 04:38 PM

For all the talk about leaders might as well sign Richardson.

Pioli Zombie 09-05-2010 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 6979684)
I honestly think Pioli is stealin' the Hunt's money. That draft last year set the franchise back as much as any of CP's. Don't look now but I think the Lions are closer to building a consistent winner than our Chiefs.

Man,you guys are just a bunch of miserable old women. Its been a ****ing year. They were a 2-14 disaster to start with. Why don't you try to relax and enjoy the season.

the Talking Can 09-05-2010 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6979770)
Man,you guys are just a bunch of miserable old women. Its been a ****ing year. They were a 2-14 disaster to start with. Why don't you try to relax and enjoy the season.

why don't you cheer us all up by killing yourself?

Bugeater 09-05-2010 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6979770)
Man,you guys are just a bunch of miserable old women. Its been a ****ing year. They were a 2-14 disaster to start with. Why don't you try to relax and enjoy the season.

Why don't you take a flying leap into a vat of nuclear waste?

Coach 09-05-2010 05:28 PM

I fail to understand why Palko should be on practice squad.
Posted via Mobile Device

-King- 09-05-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6979844)
I fail to understand why Palko should be on practice squad.
Posted via Mobile Device

As opposed to?

milkman 09-05-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 6979684)
I honestly think Pioli is stealin' the Hunt's money. That draft last year set the franchise back as much as any of CP's. Don't look now but I think the Lions are closer to building a consistent winner than our Chiefs.

As are the Rams.

Chiefaholic 09-05-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979541)
It's utterly ****ing amazing to me that Scott Pioli burned a 5th round pick on Colin Brown last year when he most likely would have gone undrafted.

Then, he stashes him on IR for the year, even though the severity of the injury was never mentioned.

A year later, the ****ing guy isn't even worth putting on the Practice Squad? Are you kidding me?

Nice scouting, Pioli.

In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

milkman 09-05-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 6979846)
As opposed to?

Being lined up in front of a firing squad so that we are assured that we never see his sorry ass on a football field again.

Mecca 09-05-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6979906)
In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

Actually it doesn't, Pioli froze them out and made the picks he wanted to make. That draft is on him.

keg in kc 09-05-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6979906)
In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

That's a fact people like to forget, that the '09 draft was handled by Peterson's scouting staff, and that they were nearly all fired the day after it was over.

chiefzilla1501 09-05-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6979906)
In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

Yes and no. The problem was when Pioli froze out Peterson's scouts and he absolutely should not have done that. Stupid to not at least listen to Peterson's scouts. I do agree that the 2010 draft is much more representative of how we'll draft moving forward.

milkman 09-05-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6979906)
In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

Scott Pioli didn't use any of the info acquired by the Cheifs scouts in the '09 draft.

He used the info he had accumulated from the Patriots scouts while still in New England and brought in a buddy to help him conduct the draft.

That '09 draft is all on Pioli.

ChiefaRoo 09-05-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6979906)
In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

I agree with this.

Brock 09-05-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 6979915)
I agree with this.

Well, it's wrong.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6979906)
In no way am I boasting on the Chiefs '09 draft class. But, a lot of the actual scouting falls in the hands of Herm's scouting department. This years draft was actually conducted by Pioli's hand picked scouting crew an should be a better determining factor in how the guy should draft in the future.

Wrong.

Gretz reported that Pioli tossed the Chiefs scouting reports in the trash and used information strictly gathered by his New England people for the 2009 selections.

It's a fact.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6979912)
That's a fact people like to forget, that the '09 draft was handled by Peterson's scouting staff, and that they were nearly all fired the day after it was over.

Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

crossbow 09-05-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6979398)

That clip is great! I like the guy in the foreground sitting there with no reaction or emotions. Totally hilarious.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 6979915)
I agree with this.

You're agreeing with something that is patently false.

ChiefaRoo 09-05-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979924)
You're agreeing with something that is patently false.

They hired Pioli and Haley late and they held over staff. Where is the evidence that the new regime completely ignored the old staff? I'd like to see it.

I don't want to argue an unknown.

DaneMcCloud 09-05-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo (Post 6979927)
They hired Pioli and Haley late and they held over staff. Where is the evidence that the new regime completely ignored the old staff? I'd like to see it.

I don't want to argue an unknown.

Gretz reported it earlier this year. You'll need to do a search but it's definitely true. Someone linked the story, I think in January.

Pioli tossed out all the info gathered by the Chiefs scouts and used info obtained by his scouts in New England for the 2009 draft.

keg in kc 09-05-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6979922)
Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

Whether those rumors are true or not is not really relevant; the 2010 Chiefs draft was handled by a completely different scouting (and coaching) staff than the 2009 draft, whether that draft was handled by New England people or Kansas City people. Which doesn't change or excuse the facts of the '09 draft, but it may explain why the 2010 draft seems to make more sense.

Although as I've said a number of times, I think a significant issue with the '09 draft was the '09 draft class itself, which I believe was a historically poor collection of talent as a whole. But that's just my opinion.


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