looking for a new car...
 

I'm looking for a relatively new car finally after having my old one forever it seems. I just graduated from college about a year ago and my new job I've had for about a year has given me some good money. I came across a 2010 Toyota 4runner that has 5,000 miles on it for like $30,000. I'm gonna get them down obviously, but is this a good deal from the start? I wonder how much I can get them down. I could get a new car for that much dough that will be some of my ammunition. I'm looking for either a Toyota Highlander, 4runner. All my family has Toyotas as well as my fiancee. I love them. Now I want one lol. Thoughts?

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Don't buy a ****ing Toyota.

Get an F150.

Hello no. Ford? lmao

The F150 is the #1 selling truck in America for 33 years running.

Just FTR, all the domestics make pretty good trucks, it's their cars that suck ass. Use kbb.com to find a good starting point for negotiations.

You can buy something new for far less than that, and it isn't liable to kill you with a stuck accelerator.

how can you dispute Ford?

Ford is teh best

Toyota's okay, for being Honda's weak sister.

You can also use autotrader.com to see what similar vehicles in your area are selling for.

The Highlanders or the 4 Runners are both excellent vehicles....

The 4 Runner is more of a young and hipper rig....the Highlander looks more family, so its whatever your persuasion....cant go wrong with either.

Oh, and autotrader is an excellent site for finding used cars.

kbb.com has the car I mentioned about the same. WTF? It's used!

I'll be pretty surprised if you get them down very far off of that price.

F-150? Why would anyone want a compact truck?ROFL

I see a lot of girls driving them.:eek:

I wonder how far I could get them down. Because like I mentioned and the others mentioned as well, I could get a new car for that much.

Used is a seller's market right now.

if you want an even hipper Toyota, take a look at the FJ Cruisers as well. Sweet rides...

Yeah it's in tip top shape too. I didn't get too much into talks. But I wonder why the F someone would trade that thing in after putting only 5000 miles on it. If I had that car I'd run it into the ground until I was like 80 lol. But I'm broke they probably had the money.

It may have been a demo, or even worse, a repo. Find out the history of it.

Is a repo bad? I'm dumb at cars.

Sometimes people abuse cars if they know they're getting repoed.

Probably not all that bad at that age/mileage, but it generally means it wasn't taken very good care of. It's more than likely a demo.

That would be just my luck lol. Yeah I'm gonna find out the history of it. I heard this is a good time to get a new far or fairly new car because the year is almost over. I want either a 4runner or Highlander. I'm even considering a Nissan Xterra. Everyone in this mountain town has one. Seriously you can't go two minutes without seeing like three. They look like off road cars though...

Aren't demos good though?

Not necessarily, that means the sales staff and others have been driving them, and it could easily have been abused by any of them as well. It's still not as bad as a repo though.

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So is the deal I mentioned a good one you think? Depending on everything I find out of course. But so far is it? I could get a new car for that much though.

F-150? Dude, at least step up to an F-250. :shake:

I don't think it's worth the premium you'd be paying over a Gr. Cherokee or something like that.

He only needs an F-250 if he needs to tow/haul a lot or wants a diesel.

Me personally, unless I needed to tow a whole bunch of shit, I'd just buy a Ford Ranger, or maybe a Sport Trac Explorer.

Yeah I looked online and theres new 4runners that are about the same price as this used one! WTF

Exactly.:thumb:

buy whatever you can pay cash for and no more

This is probably the best advice you can get.

Like pay it all, or a down payment in cash?

Nothing wrong with getting a car loan you can afford if you want to drive something nice.
A car is an expense, not an investment.
If driving a nice new vehicle is worth the expense to you then don't let anyone tell you how to spend your money.

pay it all cash or buy something you can pay cash for, drive that until you can afford to buy what you want to buy cash

All I can afford now is to make a down payment up front. Only $9,000 is all I can put down. But I need a new car as my old one has bit it, I want something that will last me forever as I'm not the type that likes to get new cars every other year and whatnot. My fiancee' takes me to work now, my old car bit the bullet last week lol.

I just bought an 02 Ranger Edge with 80k for 4600 cash, runs perfect looks great and best of all, no car payments.... Lots of nice cars out there, take your 9k and buy something with 40k on it and drive it until you have enough to buy your next one cash... Its a a lot harder to let go of 30k when you actually have 30k and you are handing it to someone else...

30k vehicle
Payments 500-700 per month
extra insurance costs probably 100 per month
depreciation is 100 per week for the first 4 years you own that car...

so basically that car is costing you 1100-1500 bucks a month to drive..

Hope it rides good :)

[quote=vailpass;6979896]Nothing wrong with getting a car loan you can afford if you want to drive something nice.
A car is an expense, not an investment.
If driving a nice new vehicle is worth the expense to you then don't let anyone tell you how to spend your money.[/quote]

It's not your money when you are borrowing it. If you are super rich, buy anything you want, but if you are a working man, you better buy what you can afford and take care of it.... I think America was slapped in the face during this recession and I hope people have learned and will prosper as a result this time around....

There's no way I'm gonna pay 30k, heck no. I'm gonna get the price down of whatever car I choose to less than that. If they don't want to do it, then that's ok, I'll go somewhere else definitely. I just want something that's gonna last me forever so I won't have to buy again.

[QUOTE=R8ers;6979940]It's your money you use to make payments. The interest is the expense you choose to pay.

To each his own. Loans are a very effective financial tool when used properly. There are several solid reasons for not driving a $9,000 car including warranty coverage and utility gained.

it's not gonna last forever.... regardless shit always happens..

You are a full grown man and I am sure you are fully capable of making your own decisions so you do what you want to do.

Got a friend right now who just went out with an illness he does not even know he has right after buying a brand new Toyota truck.... and he was broke when he bought it even though he makes over 80k a year...

Wonder how he is gonna make that payment now...

Good luck to you whichever way you decide to go.

Dang man you missed out on Cash for clunkers...

[quote=vailpass;6979948]I think me and you have already been through this before :)

You do it your way and I will do it my way :D

[QUOTE=R8ers;6979955]:toast:

another scam

Get 3000$ off on a car and have to pay the taxes on the 3000$
plus they probably turned in a car worth close to that and got a payment book to boot...

I would like to see the numbers after 6 months on those cars that got repo'ed

I'd rather get a relatively new one than having to spend the money always keeping it up for stuff I wouldn't have to pay for if it were newer. I'd likely pay more than 9k keeping a 9k car up than I would for a newer car.

Yeah, not really.

I love a Toyota, if I were a millionaire, I would buy 2 of them....

Cash of course :D

also figure in your cost per mile to drive that new vehicle

How so? I know crap happens, but how so?

First, you should do whatever you want. You only live once. But. There are a great many cars you can buy for under 9k that will carry you around for the next 10 years if you take care of it.

Ya they have a man step on the tailgate. So when not climbing into the bed of the truck. You can bend over the bed and let someone climb into you.

Yeah true. But what are the chances I'll be paying out the butt for keeping that 9k car up for 10 years?

Find a 2000/2001 Jeep Cherokee with 50,000 miles for around 7k...you'll get 300,000 miles out of it, if you do the maintenance.(oil change, etc)

If I lived in a non-mountain town, I would probably consider just a plain car like I had. But here in the winter we get a lot of snow. In one storm last year we got six feet of snow. Pretty much sucked.

My Cherokee pulled out a 40ft ford excursion limo stuck in the the snow on an uphill corner last winter.

..in 4low, it feels like it will climb a tree.

there was no taxes on the $3000-7000 and most of the deals came with an additional $3000-4000 off so depending where you went most people got between $6000-10000 off .

The chances depend on the research you do for the make and model of the car you can afford. The reliability reputations of certain brands aren't an accident.

Wow crap! That's amazing. With my luck I'd wreck both vehicles lol

By doing your homework. A little over a year ago we bought a 04 Camry for $10k, and I've spent a grand total of $150 on repairs and maintenance so far on it. Although it helps if you can do some of the shit yourself.

The timing belt replacement is coming up though, that's going to cost me a bit of coin...nfw I'm trying that on my own.

Yeah I don't know a lot about cars I wouldn't know either.

Have you heard anything about Nissan Xterras?

do you really believe you got 6-10k off?

Not personally, but here's a couple threads about them you can peruse:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=197526

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=158194

Thanks. Some good tips in there too.

What should I do in negotiations? What's the best way to get them down? Any tricks anyone?

Eh, I was never very good at the negotiation part. I do my research and then wait until I find something that I think is priced fairly and just buy it. Car salesman love me.

Hey dude, my wife and I just bought a new Ford, and we bough it from a CPer. It's sweet. So stuff that LMAO at Ford BS.

i actually got $11000 off and yeah I have all my paperwork and I know what I got off, my trade in needed lots of work to pass state inspection at the end of the month I traded it and i planned on junking it anyways.

Here's the trick:

DON'T BUY FROM A STEALERSHIP. EVER.

You can get the same car from a private party sale for at LEAST 10% less (if not more). Plus, you can usually get some kind of maintenance records from a private party, which a dealership 999999/1000000 times won't have.

There are literally thousands of great used cars out there. Buy one of those and it will last you forever.

As for it costing you more to get a used car than a new one -- there's no way, unless you get a complete lemon. But then, that would mean you didn't really do your homework. I mean, no car payment + budget of $100/mo in repairs is still WAY less than a new car, and you won't have to even dip into that repair budget.

So, go to autotrader, find some cars you like in that price range. Contact the sellers for more pictures and see if they have maintenance records. If so, proceed. Get it to a mechanic, and they'll charge you about $100 to do a Pre-Purchase Inspection. That will save you a ton of money, potentially. I'm looking for a car for my wife, and so far, of the two we found, they both had significant problems that would cost about $5k to fix. No thanks. OTOH, my car came out with a clean PPI.

Don't hesitate to look out of state or far away. I bought my last car sight unseen from Alabama. You're going to take it to a mechanic, anyway. So, I had them drive it to a local Honda dealership, and I paid the dealership over the phone to do the PPI. Came out clean, and I bought the car. I'm very happy with it.

You don't necessarily have to stay within that 9k range, but something you can realistically and easily pay off within 2 years is probably good. Buying new cars and from dealerships is for suckers. Let someone else take the depreciation hit, and let someone else overpay a dealership for the same car.

I heard that going in and telling them what you'll pay is effective. That way no one's time is wasted.

I think you're going to get rolled. But I'll try and help you out here. First off, do your homework. Know what the car you want is worth, and what it's going for everywhere around you. I'd even check out Ebay auto auctions.

2nd make sure you already know what you want before you walk in anywhere, because they'll get you off your car and into something else that you know nothing about if you're not paying attention.

You should line your financing up before you walk into a dealership. Have a check in hand that you just need to fill out the amount to purchase and be firm. Decide what you're not willing to pay more than, and start off below that number. Considerably below that number if it's reasonable.

Finally, DON'T GET THE ****ING CAR HOTS. Don't get yourself stuck on one vehicle to the point that you forget there are literally thousands of others that are just like it. It's your money, you're in control. Don't be one of the thousands of people that forget that fact during the buying process. Don't be a pushover.

Good luck dude. And you should definitely buy privately if you can find what you want. The negotiation process is much easier. Chances are someone wants out of the payment you're trying to get into.

I bought my last car off Ebay. It's awesome.

If you're willing to make your offer and walk if they don't accept it, sure. That still takes some time though, and if you're going to make an absurdly low offer you're wasting that time. The thing with Toyotas and Hondas is that they sell pretty good, so dealers are rarely desperate to get rid of them and you're likely not going to get a significant price break on one.

^^^^ Excellent Post

This really cannot be emphasized enough. Negotiate a cash price, not a monthly payment.

lol I'm not going to get rolled. I'm such a cheap ass it would be hard, Carl Peterson style. Thanks man!

FYP

Oh yeah, I know that. Never buy based on monthly payment. I've already had a lot of salesman ask me what I'm wanting to pay monthly, I just say I want a good deal and I keep it at that. So many people buy based on monthly payments it's insane.

Private party sales are great if you can find what you want. But people who buy Toyotas generally buy them to keep them for a long time, there's just not that many late model ones available from private parties.

Thanks!