Gretz On Cassel: Surviving The Process
 

Well written, even handed article from Bob Gretz:

There’s one thing that Matt Cassel knows, and if he doesn’t then somebody should give him the information.

Len Dawson was booed by Chiefs fans. Terry Bradshaw was booed by Steelers fans. John Elway was booed by Broncos fans. Insert name of Hall of Fame quarterback and he was booed by fans of the insert name team he played for during his career.

There were some Chiefs fans back in the day that believed Dawson didn’t take enough chances with his passes, that he threw short dinks and dunks and that he did not go down the field as much as he could have, especially since he was calling the plays. His career completion percentage of 57.1 percent, his career average of 7.7 yards per attempt and his 237 TD passes to 178 interceptions look like pretty good numbers now.

But in the day, some Chiefs followers were unhappy and they let Dawson know it, firing verbal assaults from the stands at both Municipal and Arrowhead Stadiums.

That’s a simple fact of life for an NFL starting quarterback. The scene gets played out over and over around the league. Guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have escaped it so far, but their careers are not over yet. They still have plenty of opportunities to throw interceptions or badly timed incompletions that will raise the vocal hackles of their fan base.

Cassel reiterated the other day that he does not read papers, watch TV sports or listen to sports talk radio. I’m sure he doesn’t spend any time on Internet sites or web forums.

“I just try to block it out,” Cassel said this week. “That is something that goes along with this job. You are always going to be tested and there is always going to be scrutiny and there is always going to be somebody saying, ‘hey, he is not good enough. He can’t do this, he can’t do that.’

“I have a job to do and right now my job is to be the quarterback of this team. I am going to go out and work hard and do everything I need to do to be productive on the field.”

If one were to take the denunciations of Cassel that have poured forth through all those media portals that he does not pay attention to, then one could make the assumption Cassel and his position as the team’s starting quarterback engenders no confidence in the Chiefs and the team’s future.

But caution should prevail in making that leap. Some unimpressed media types and a few callers to sports talk radio or posters to Internet sites do not constitute a majority of Chiefs fans. Not everyone has written him off after 15 starts for the team. While it might be more accurate to say he has not been embraced by the Chiefs Nation as a whole, it’s a stretch to paint him as the latest failure among franchise quarterbacks.

Chiefs fans for decades now have screamed and complained about the team not drafting and developing their own quarterback. Based on some of the reaction to Cassel, it’s obvious those who bled red and gold would have no more patience with a young guy than an inexperienced quarterback who came from another team. They would chew him up and spit him out in a matter of years.

And that’s the pisser in this whole thing. No position on the field requires more patience in developing a contributing player than quarterback. In fact all the other positions combined may not require the patience needed to find that franchise quarterback. Yet, it’s the position where the media, fans and even the teams struggle to deal with growth and development. It takes time to become a good quarterback, but impatience generally stops the clock dead in its tracks.

The other day Todd Haley said that as far as he’s concerned no spot on the roster is ranks ahead of another. “The inside backer in the base defense is no more important than a gunner on the punt team,” Haley said. “The more our guys think that way, the better for us.”

It’s all well and good if that kind of thinking can be created within a locker room. But everybody in that room knows, as does the head coach and his staff, the GM and his staff and the ownership family, that there is one player that IS more important, and that’s the starting quarterback.

Whether he’s a so-called franchise QB, a care-taker, a game-manager, a rookie thrown to the wolves or a grizzled veteran playing out his final NFL days, the starting quarterback is the most important player on any pro football team. No other player has a greater effect on winning or losing than the guy taking the snaps.

Consider this for a moment – Todd Haley was willing to jettison his offensive coordinator last year just 10 days before the start of the regular season because he knew the situation wasn’t going to work with Chan Gailey. Do you think if Haley thought for a minute that Cassel wasn’t up to the task, that the only quarterback the Chiefs added in the off-season would have been Tyler Palko?

Asked for areas where he’s seen improvement from his starting quarterback and Haley gets pretty vague. But Friday he identified an area that while simple, is one of the most important elements for the success of a starting quarterback.

“When he comes off the field, what he says he saw generally ends up being what it was,” Haley said. “I think that’s a real good quality to have. Even subtle things within a game, you’ll say to him why did you do this, and he’ll say this linebacker did this, the receiver stumbled, or that receiver was short, the safety did this.

“Generally it’s pretty spot on what he sees. He sees the whole field. That was something that Kurt (Warner) was phenomenal at. A quarterback has to have great vision. Matt sees what’s happening.”

Today’s game is built around the quarterbacks, and the teams that have great ones do everything they can to keep them and provide them with weapons. Those that don’t have the top-line quarterbacks are constantly searching for a player who can play the position well enough that he’s not an impediment to winning.

These are all facts of football life. Head coaches and the quarterbacks themselves know it better than anybody, but they seldom will address or recognize that point in public. The pressure is tough enough without adding more fuel to the fire with your own hose.

That’s why if you’ve listened to any of Cassel’s press conferences over the last two seasons you know that they were filled with clichés, pat and rehearsed answers, and few moments of real insight of him, the position or the team. That’s all done on purpose. Cassel can’t do anything about his name being in the headlines, but he can make sure it’s not there because of something that came out of his mouth.

Still, every so often a bit of the real Cassel leaks out. The competitor in him sneaks out of the cage and makes an appearance before he’s coaxed back into the shadows. It happened this week when Cassel was asked if he likes to prove critics wrong.

“It is always nice to have that happen but at the same time, I don’t play this game for the people that are against me and think that I can’t do it,” said Cassel. “I play the game for the people that have always believed in me. I play that game for my family, for my wife, for my mother so it really comes down to that. There are going to be people, no matter where you go or what you do, there are going to be people who look at you and say, ‘you can’t do it’.”

The tone of his voice, the jut of his jaw and the fire in his eyes as he answered the question gave away the fact that while it’s not the No. 1 motivating factor for him, the chance to show everyone he can be a successful NFL quarterback – including the naysayers – is part of what drives him.

At this point in time, we don’t know where Matt Cassel’s future will take him or the Chiefs. There have been flashes of talent and skill that indicate he has some of the necessary qualities. There have also been moments when his failures have indicated he’s not nearly consistent enough right now to lead a team to a winning season.

That’s what makes the Monday night game against San Diego so important. It’s a benchmark for the team, but especially for Cassel. Last year, the Chargers rolled into Arrowhead Stadium in October and embarrassed the Chiefs and made Cassel look very bad. San Diego won by 30 points and Cassel completed just 10 of 25 passes (40 percent) for 97 yards (3.88 yards per attempt), one TD and three interceptions. It produced a passer rating of 25.3, one of his lowest ratings of the season and his 30 games as an NFL starting quarterback.

Cassel did not get much in the way of help in that first meeting with the Chargers. He was sacked five times, the offense generated just 203 total yards and Bobby Wade was the leading receiver, catching four passes for 66 yards.

The second time the teams met last season was not much better, as the Chargers won by 29 points in San Diego. Cassel was marginally better, hitting 19 of 31 passes (61.3 percent) for 178 yards (5.74 yards per attempt), one TD and one interception.

“Once you start winning ball games and you start playing well and the team starts playing well that takes care of itself,” Cassel said.

Monday night is but one leg of a 16-segment marathon for the Chiefs and Cassel. As he was quick to say the other day, “It is week one of 16 games. I don’t think this is our Super Bowl,” Cassel said.

But it’s a huge night for Matt Cassel, because it’s a huge season for him. He must establish that he has the consistency and the ability to lead the Chiefs to winning performances. The time is now.

inb4 "its a process"

Laughable logic.

The Process by Stephen King

Like all of King's books, the ending is going to suck.
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We've been going vanilla to hide the unparalleled incredibleness that will soon come to be known as "Offense on Speed". This is that moment where the rocket hasn't started moving yet, but the smoke from the thrusters is starting to billow out around it. Godspeed, Matt Cassel, and we'll see you on splashdown in Canton.

Cassel completed 3 passes for 7 yards in the time it took to read that.

WTF is 'evenhanded' about that slurp-job?

Comparing Matt Cassel to Len Dawson or Joe Montana in an attempt to soften the blow of 70,000 people calling him a bum is pathetic.

Matt Cassel is a Piece of Shit ©.

I sure hope I'm wrong.

Easily the worst article by Gretz since Peterson's firing.

What a load of horseshit.

I agree with Gretz that this fan base would have little patience with a rookie QB.

I know Cassel is not a rookie, bla,bla, bla but he has really only had 2 seasons as a starter and everybody already knows they have him figured out at what his ceiling is, me included.

If we drafted a rookie he better make the PB by year 3 or he will be getting the Cassel treatment from half the fans and would be getting the Croyle treatment from the other half.

FYI- Croyle treatment equals pining for and exaggerating the skills of a guy who has never shown anything special on the field but is loved simply because he is a QB and we drafted him.

What? You don't find nuggets like this piece of overwritten trash to be 'even-handed'?

That's arguably as bad as any article I have ever seen.

Ironically, Petro was killing Cassel yesterday for being a bitch in pressers. Suggested that this was a window into his demeanor in the huddle.

Blah, blah, blah. Some people are supportive of him, some are wanting to hang him right now. All this talk is pointless, both that are for him and against him. We won't really know until the season plays out if he's got franchise credentials or not. Period.

"And I know this based on the time we drafted....well...well there was that time that...but...shit"

I'm so tired of hearing this - we haven't made a strong bet on a young quarterback in 25 years --- A QUARTER OF A CENTURY --- and I'm supposed to listen to someone tell me that the fans wouldn't give one a chance.

Just exactly WTF do you base that on?

It's all CYA all the time with this guy. Cassel's terrible and THAT'S why the fans boo him. He's inaccurate, he's skittish, he's flat out bad.

If this franchise ever drafted and developed a young quarterback, he would be the most popular KC sports figure since George Brett. Kansas City is dying for a quarterback and jokers like you and Gretz are still hiding behind the same tired dogma that Peterson hamstrung the franchise with for 2 decades.

LOL Cassel looks like a deer with headlights flashed at him....

We know this now.

What we don't know is whether or not he'll end up being serviceable.

I sure hope the Cassel thing is like when Trent Green first showed up, before he had all of his weapons in place.

I keep wanting to think the same thing,but deep down,I think we all know better.

First off, I never said or eluded that I was against drafting a QB.

How do I know the fans would be impatient? Because I have been a member of CP since 2003.

Yeah, that's hardly a well written article: no matter what you think of the content. Look at the lead.

That's a terrible, rambling sentance that hardly draws a reader into the article. Gretz writes conversationally, with a lot of fluffy qualifiers and awkwardly constructed sentances.

I doubt even he would say its a good example of his work.

If Pioli hadn't seen Cassel in action I'd be more pessimistic. As it is, I'm worried, but still have some hope. Pioli had to know that trading for Cassel and passing on a top draftee would be a key decision, so you'd think he wouldn't do it without a whole lot of confidence in Cassel.

No, we don't. We haven't seen anything yet and won't until the season plays out. Odds are, with our luck, he won't be shit. But we won't know for sure until the season plays out. People can be geniousez with their nostradomous skills and say "oh I noz already hez da blacklegdde!" but we won't until the season plays out. It's fun though, that's why we're fans, we go by feeling. My gut feeling says even Haley doesn't think he'll work out. You can hear it in his voice in his pressers. He has NO confidence in the guy. He's just all we have. Until next year. If he doesn't work out.

CP has fewer than 700 members with more than 1,000 posts at present (and a handful with over 40,000). It's a limited group of extremely hardcore fans.

I would hardly say that CP constitutes any sort of representative sample of the fanbase.

That's like saying the Branch Davidians were an accurate representation of your average Protestant.

This article was beyond worthless.

That's pretty much the Bible of True Fan-ism right there...


holy shit

1...invoke the name of every great QB, imply false equivalence
2...pretend fans are responsible for a franchise never drafting a QB, because they have the audacity to boo shitty quarterbacks on shitty teams

3...don't spend one sentence actually focusing on his play on the field, his mechanics, his arm, his savy, his ANYTHING -no detailed breakdown of his actual performance

4...make another false comparison - 'he done some bad things and some good things' - which is a whitewash of point 3 and a knowing lie. he's done a bunch of shitty things and very few good things

5...pat yourself on the back for being so smart and go get a glass of milk and watch Touched By An Angel reruns while reminiscing fondly about that one game Damon Huard won that one time...it was fun, gosh...

He's not going to develop, magically, an entirely different skill set. Thus, it doesn't take Doc Brown to know that he'll never be a franchise QB. Any half-ass evaluator of NFL talent can tell this.

What we don't know for sure is whether or not he'll be a colossal failure. Luckily, we hired a great turd polisher in Weis, so expect some dumbass fans to think that the piece of shit is prettier this year.

The only people I know of that are Chiefs fans that don't want to draft a QB high are the people on this site, none outside of this site. Kinda odd.

WRONG.

The overwhelming majority of Chiefsplanet members have supported a first round QB.

Anyone that knows a ****ing thing about the NFL and QB's in general realize that it's very rare that a rookie QB is ready to start from Day One.

If the Chiefs had drafted a QB last year or even this year, developed him for a couple of years while Cassel (or someone else started), I seriously doubt many people would complain.

Well he surely knows more about him than anyone else,but I just wonder how long he will "wait" for Cassel if he continues to struggle this year.

I'm going by Pioli. I trust his evaluation of talent. He's had his misses, like every GM, etc. This probably is a miss, but because of his reputation I'm willling to wait and see. Either way, it will be a fun season, IMO, to watch the young guys grow.

How'd I know your reaction? LOL

The article was not only reasonable from an expectation standpoint, it paints the witch hunters in the right light as well. I cant think of any clear thinking individual that would find this article unreasonable.

I've said over and over again that it would ideal for our mythic first round pick to shit on the bench for a year....even stafford


that's why stashing Claussen on the bench behind Cassel....for a 2nd rounder was such a god damn no brainer, even if he sat 2-3 three years


this lie true fans tell about people being impatient is a projection...True Fans would be impatient because they want revenge for being called true fans while supporting one shitty QB after another....

people with an ounce of god damn sense know a guy coming straight from college takes time....

Seriously? You know better than that man. The fans on this site are ruthless lol. They would be like "how come he hasn't seen anytime, does he suck or something?!" Come on. :)

Totally reasonable.

Not breathless hyperbole at all.

This article was garbage.

That's what I'm saying. People wouldn't be happy at all. They'd want him to start in April.

This. God knows I want Cassel to be good. I want him to prove us all wrong, but there is nothing about him to date that has shown he ever will.

I tend to ignore the dumbasses, especially any dumbass that would be upset about a first round QB.

Without a doubt the self proclaimed chiefsplanets "talent evaluators" are not equiped to let talent be developed. Whether it be Dorsey, Jackson, or this year we have people already talking about Mcluster. Chiefesplanet will always label thier busts in the 1st few games of the season, if not the preseason. Its comical intil you have to listen to it in every thead for a season or 2. Then they move on to the next axe grinding. Its less about evaluation skill and more about personality short comings really.

You know what I haven't heard in awhile? How great a "franchise" QB Sanchez is gonna be.

LOL I hear you. Some people want to draft one but they're scared he won't work out. It isn't 1983 lol.

IMO it's worth taking a shot.After dumpster diving for QB's for .......Well FOREVER.....Yeah it's time.

The people whom you are almost certainly referring to here have been the ones most vocal in defending Dorsey.

It's not about "development" as much as it's about talent and potential. If the player has the latter two, most reasonable people will be far, far more willing to be as patient as needed.

You are ****ing wrong, Gretz.

Take your classless, deranged fat ****ing ass and go **** yourself with your WPI-style "premium" content that nobody ****ing gives a shit about because it's so goddamn awful. Die in an AIDS tree forest fire you globulous reeruned hippo.

crazy right?


all those great players we've drafted year after year that people are wrong about....

wait, wut?

people here defend dorsey like crazy, so you are either lying or just clueless

jackson...well, i'll let you defend that pick...i defended it last year and all it got me was fabulists like you making shit up...no true fan patted me on the back...

Uh.....Im not new. Check my sigf up date. Im more than familiar with the patience of chiefsplanet. Of course im speaking in general terms. Some dont fall in that category. Maybe you dont. But, there's no doubt in my mind I know what Im talking about. Because Ive watched it play out over and over for more than 10 years now.

So you're saying that if the Chiefs drafted Sanchez and started him last year and he played about as well as he played in NY, you would doubt his abilities as a starting QB in the NFL. And you might even call him a bust.

You'll do that to a 23-year old who's still pretty raw and inexperienced but should any fan declare Cassel a failure... why... that's just so presumptuous and impatient.

Exactly.

I've never said a foul word about Dorsey. Hell, I'm one of like 4 guys on this board that defended Pollard.

What 'bust' have we labeled in the first 1 or 2 seasons that didn't turn out to actually be a bust?

Crazyhorse's argument could perhaps have merit if all these guys that the 'faux talent evaluators' were shitting on early weren't actually awful.

Just sayin'...

They werent defending him after year 1. They are only starting to. He's giving them no choice.

There would be no reason to defend him if someone wasnt cracking on him in the 1st place.....right?

Your point is that there wasn't 100% acceptance of Glenn Dorsey and thus the fake talent evaluators you're speaking of must've been the ones that were shitting on him?

That's just ridiculous.

You're painting with a wide brush and you appear to be doing so with cheap paint. Your point is as flimsy as it is overly broad.

to contradict my previous post, it's easy to say that we need to wait until cassel has talent around him, but it'd sure be nice to someday have a qb who elevates the talent around him instead of saying 'he'd be fine if he had a good rt and second wr'.
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Cassel has the necessary talent right now. The line is adequate and the position players are competent.

The only thing we need to wait on is one of Cassel's wobble punts to come down.

See this is where you Cassel haters are wrong. Cassel is going to play just well enough to ensure we get stuck with him for several more years.

He will have a 63% completion rate, Throw more TD's than Int's and have a 85 QB rating. The offense will be a short pass, heavy run, play action based offense.

We will go 8-8 or maybe 9-7 and the team will say we are just a few pieces away from being a contender and go spend another 1st round pick on a DL or LB.

No. I didn't say that.

Lets just say I dont have the keen evaluation talents as some. I dont make crack evaluations after one season. Or in some cases here, 1 play.

Really, all we know so far is that Pioli likes Cassel better than Mark Sanchez and Jimmy Clausen. That's all we really know. It is completely possible that Cassel was brought in because he was a better option than Thigpen and Croyle in Pioli's eyes, and Pioli didn't like Sanchez. I still don't think Sanchez will ever be anywhere near a top-line NFL QB, so if passing on him and going with Cassel for a few years until we can get a top-line QB is what it takes, I'm in.

LMAO

That is even dumber than anything in the article.

I'm not wrong because I've been suggesting the same thing since Weis was hired.

The brush is only as broad as you make it.

Your defensive posture is telling.

Im not trying to get in a pissing contest. Simply making a statement of fact. Its not ridiculous. Not in the least. You may certainly disagree. I have no problem with that.

Maybe Im wrong.;)

i'd said the same thing several times

we're stuck with him for 4 years....and pioli zombie too

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i think he'll have an 80 rating

Your wobble punt comment makes it sound like you expect him to just stink out loud. My bad.

Thing is many people are talking like we are going 6-10 or 4-12 again because of Cassel.

He won't play that bad, he won't be Aaron Rodgers or Drew Breese, ever, but he will play well enough we could win at least 8 games in my opinion and maybe 9.

Mainly due to Charles, Jones, Bowe, McCluster, Arenas, and a slightly improved defense and a better o-line.

How many games we win will likely depend on how healthy the team stays. We have zero depth.

I don't think so. I think he's either gonna do it big this year or be crap. He's not gonna be in between, but we'll see.

I don't think it's going to be a case of Cassel playing well so much as it's going to be the case of Weis simply not putting him in a position to fail.

He'll dink and dunk to a high percentage and decent TD-INT ratio, and stupid fans we'll claim he's improving, when Weis has actually bagged the ugly ****.

If he can consistently stretch the field and make wobble-punt posts look horribly misinformed, I'll concede improvement.

o' really?

That's what I am pulling for, either one really. I just don't see it. I think in the end he will be what he likely is. Average.

Trent Green had one of the best supporting casts that a QB could have, except for a stud WR, but Gonzo and Priest made up for it. IMO, he was an avg to slightly above avg QB whose team made him better.

Cassel walked into a nightmare that any QB other than a Brees, Manning, etc. would not overcome and been successful. Having said that, I do not think Cassel has the "it" factor that makes for a great QB; Quick decision making ability, accuracy, strong arm, pocket presence, quick release, etc.

If we drafted a qb in the first round (or early second) you would find that a lot of the Planet would be turned upside down.

This is how I see it...

The resident "homers" would have a shorter leash for our kid than the "draftabulators"

I fully agree with Deez' take on how some of us have taken Dorseys slow development and see it as a very good example of how a first round quarterback would be handled by some of us.

It's a hell of a lot ****ing easier to win a Super Bowl with that kind of QB under center than with a Cassel/Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer.

So doesn't it make sense that we should go grab a player like that? Or at least roll the dice and take a goddamn risk?

Dude, greens first year he had no line. nobody outside of gonzalez to throw to, priest couldn't run the ball until the games were so out of reach that nobody cared what the offense did. They had waters playing center shields and I don't know who else.

The next year we picked up roaf, weigmann, moved waters to lg and things started clicking as well as us picking up kennison late into either the first or second season.

If you don't think green had "it", imo you're full of "it"

To address your last point, the reason Dorsey has gotten such a leash is because he was the guy many of the "draftubators" wanted. Much like the way guys like Dejuan Morgan are given so much time. Same with Albert, who has been less than spectacular for a first-round tackle. It isn't because of ability or anything like that IMO, but is because they liked them predraft.

You are right though about a rookie QB. Those people who want a first round QB, no matter who it is, would definitely be patient with him. In fact, we'd probably see a lot of the same excuses that they blast people for making for Cassel (lack of talent around him, drops, bad OL, bad play calling, etc.) Yes, I realize that Cassel isn't a rookie and should have the same learning curve, so save that rhetoric TTC, etc.

That makes two of us that hope you are wrong! :p

Yes. Sometimes I wonder WTF was Pioli thinking in his first year with choosing Cassel and his draft. I know it was his first year and all, but hell, a blind monkey throwing darts at a draft board could have done a better job.

Right and he stunk, just like Cassel stunk last year. That's how the got the TrINT nickname. Even when the line improved, they gave Green 4-5 seconds sometimes and he still hung onto the ball too long. I'm saying the team improved his performance, not the other way around. Hey, I thought Green was a good player and a great guy. Nobody deserved to win a super bowl more than him.

I'm curious as to what talent you see Cassel having? Oh well we are stuck with the lil pig ****er so we'll see AGAIN this year he is not a quality NFL QB.

Yep and with Cassel you just can't develop what isn't there.

What talent do I think Cassel has at this point?

I think he's better than Mark Sanchez. I think he's better than Jimmy Clausen.

That's about it.

If we have a shot at a guy with legitimate top-line franchise QB upside, you grab him and don't look back. However, I don't think either of the guys we have passed on since Pioli has been here are that guy. Really, that's about all Cassel should be judged on, IMO.

I still contend that a couple years of Cassel and then drafting a guy like Luck, Mallet, Locker, Gabbert (assuming they grade out high and don't pull a Jevan Snead), is better than tying yourself to a guy like Mark Sanchez and trying to force him into being a franchise QB because we took him at #3 overall.

Sanchez and Cassel are both game managers, IMO, and neither offer top 8 QB upside. I think both of their upsides are about the same, middle of the NFL somewhere. You can win with either of them, but you need a ton of talent around them and a top defense. The Jets have that and the Chiefs don't, so clearly Sanchez is in the much better situation.

That was most definitely a head scratching "huh?" draft.

it would be easier if you just stated the obvious reasons, as opposed to making things up

1. people 'defend' Dorsey for the obvious ****ing reason that he was drafted to be a 4-3 DT and is now a 3-4 DE. You don't need Deep Throat to figure it out.

And he doesn't suck out loud like cassel and jackson. Again, I know, this is complex...

2. Same thing with Albert. People 'defend' him because he doesn't suck. It doesn't require a secret agenda to not bag on a player who doesn't suck.

3. Morgan...I don't know, that's meccas guy. Maybe send him an email with your complaints. I could and most everyone else could give a shit about him.

See how easy it is, when you stick to the obvious?

Shitty players get bagged on. Non-shitty players don't. (and for **** sake i defended jackson's pick and pioli's trade (the theory of it) more vociferously than most anyone here...ask hamas). And all I got for it is lying nonsense from true fan after true fan.

28 yr old 63 million dollar vet backup QBs are going to get the business when they suck ass. Rookies straight out of college are going to be treated differently.

etc

so cram your butt hurt up cassel's franchise hole

When Sanchez and Clausen are Cassels age, they will two of the best qbs in the NFL.

What are the wining Powerball numbers tonight?

This is a given

Even the hate for TrInt wasn't as great as for Cassel. These people are nuts and Gretz is 100% right. If the Chiefs drafted a QB he'd have about 5 games to become Joe Montana or they'd start ripping him. The jury is still out for Cassel. I'd say there is less than 2% chance he becomes a very good to franchise QB but he could be a good QB. I think the floor is Huard and the ceiling is Green in former Chiefs QB terms.

This is complete and utter ****ing bullshit.

If this is what you truly think and would expect, the Kansas City Chiefs have the dumbest ****ing fan base in the universe, BAR NONE.

First off, Dummy, Green was a proven QB in the league with successful stops in Washington and St. Louis before arriving in KC. Matt Cassel hadn't played ****ing football in seven years when he took over in NE and his success could have been directly attributed to his surrounding playmakers.

Cassel is NOT a leader and he will NEVER be the guy to put a team on his shoulder, drive them down the field and WIN at all costs.