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Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:07 PM

Patriots Trade Laurence Maroney to Dungver
 
Compensation unknown. Very surprising. Per Adam Schefter.

Sully 09-14-2010 02:09 PM

Now we have the best backfield in the NFL to add to the best OL, WRs and LBers!!!

-Knowmo

Marcellus 09-14-2010 02:09 PM

What? I thought Dungver had 3 All Pro RB'?

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:09 PM

Source: http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Maroney was inactive for us week 1, for a "thigh injury". He was clearly in the doghouse, however, as he was playing with the scrubs during the preseason.

He's in the last year of his contract, and was clearly the worst 1st round pick fo the Belichick era.

What's surprising to me is that this leaves us undermanned at RB with a bunch of Geritol popping, likely-to-be-injured, decrepit old timers at the position. I remember reading LAST YEAR taht the Patriots had 3 out of 4 of the RBs in the NFL over 32 years old -- Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk.

Marcellus 09-14-2010 02:09 PM

What? I thought Dungver had 3 All Pro RB'?

Sully 09-14-2010 02:09 PM

Now we have the best backfield in the NFL to add to the best OL, WRs and LBers!!!

-Knowmo

Bane 09-14-2010 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully (Post 7005497)
Now we have the best backfield in the NFL to add to the best OL, WRs and LBers!!!

-Knowmo

Repost!

Got ya!!!ROFLROFLROFL

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:12 PM

I see everyone is having delays/issues in posting. :D

Bane 09-14-2010 02:13 PM

After White,Maroney is the best short yardage RB in the NFL/Knowshit

CupidStunt 09-14-2010 02:13 PM

Desperation move.

The Broncos need to learn that quality > quantity. Of course, they're ****ed for a year or two until they can cut Moreno.

Skyy God 09-14-2010 02:14 PM

Beaten on the Knowmo clowning. Drats.

L.A. Chieffan 09-14-2010 02:16 PM

I didnt expect Maroney to bust this hard.

the Talking Can 09-14-2010 02:16 PM

awesome!

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:17 PM

I still remember Shanarat praising Maroney and the Patriots pick of Maroney immediately after we drafted him. :shake:

It's really too bad. The guy has classic size/speed for the position and by all rights SHOULD HAVE been very good. Instead, we got to see both DeAngelo Williams and Joseph Addai, taken later in the round, massively outperform Maroney, and Addai play for one of our biggest rivals no less. :shake: Oh, and Nick Mangold be drafted later in the round and become a pro bowl level lineman for our division rival Jets. :shake: :banghead:

Oh well, not all picks pan out, but that one just hurts somehow. He SHOULD have been good, but I guess he just didn't want to spend the effort. Or soemthing...

BucEyedPea 09-14-2010 02:18 PM

Thank Gawd!

SnakeXJones 09-14-2010 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 7005516)
I didnt expect Maroney to bust this hard.

Denver is just full of them at RB

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 7005516)
I didnt expect Maroney to bust this hard.

Bust? I dunno. Close to it, certainly, but 4.2 lifetime yards per rush and 2,500 yards. Is that a bust? Maybe.

My standard for "bust" is pretty high. Bust to me is Ryan Leaf, Charles Rogers, or someone who literally doesn't help your team AT ALL. Maroney was just mediocre.

Quesadilla Joe 09-14-2010 02:24 PM

Mike Shanahan really liked him and was thinking about drafting him so he should do good in Denver.

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:25 PM

Schefter: For RB Laurence Maroney, New England gets Denver's fourth-round pick in 2011 and Denver gets New England's sixth-round pick in 2011.




Wow, talking about getting NOTHING for him. Maroney was worth the spread between a 4th and a 6th round pick. Why don't we get a bucket of warm spit with it? :shake:

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:25 PM

It's funny to read all the twitter references...

So, cool... Denver now has Maroney. (crickets)

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005537)
Schefter: For RB Laurence Maroney, New England gets Denver's fourth-round pick in 2011 and Denver gets New England's sixth-round pick in 2011.

Enh, not bad... move down 2 rounds and get a RB.

-King- 09-14-2010 02:26 PM

He was literally the worst starting RB in the league...


...and now watch Denver homers act like he's good

Skyy God 09-14-2010 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7005536)
Mike Shanahan really liked him and was thinking about drafting him so he should do good in Denver.

Seriously, KnowMo, what's your story?

Lead paint chips? Blunt head trauma as a child? Product on an inferior public-school education?

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:28 PM

For those counting, that gives the Patriots:

1st round: their own, plus the Raiders' pick

2nd round: their own, plus the Panthers' pick

3rd round: their own

4th round: their own, plus the Broncos' pick

plus one 5, one 6 (it was two before this trade) and one 7. Piling them up, as usual.

RealSNR 09-14-2010 02:29 PM

Good move by the Donks if he's that cheap. Probably won't see the ball much anyway, since both Moreno and Buckhalter are better runners than Maroney. But who knows.

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7005536)
Mike Shanahan really liked him and was thinking about drafting him so he should do good in Denver.

Right, because Shanny and the Boy Wonder are running almost the exact same offense out there, right?

Skyy God 09-14-2010 02:29 PM

Business as usual at 1 Patriot Way (or whatever their address is).

-King- 09-14-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 7005538)
It's funny to read all the twitter references...

So, cool... Denver now has Maroney. (crickets)

Explain that one...I'm feeling slow.

CupidStunt 09-14-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005537)
Schefter: For RB Laurence Maroney, New England gets Denver's fourth-round pick in 2011 and Denver gets New England's sixth-round pick in 2011.




Wow, talking about getting NOTHING for him. Maroney was worth the spread between a 4th and a 6th round pick. Why don't we get a bucket of warm spit with it? :shake:

That's pretty good compensation IMO. Denver will have a top 10 pick, NE will have a bottom 10 pick, and the 4th round >>>>>>>> 6th. The 6th is almost strictly for developmental guys. You can get some nice finds in the 4th.

RealSNR 09-14-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005552)
For those counting, that gives the Patriots:

1st round: their own, plus the Raiders' pick

2nd round: their own, plus the Panthers' pick

3rd round: their own

4th round: their own, plus the Broncos' pick

plus one 5, one 6 (it was two before this trade) and one 7. Piling them up, as usual.

Add another 2nd round to this list when you guys trade Moss

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7005541)
He was literally the worst starting RB in the league...


...and now watch Denver homers act like he's good

He wasnt' our starting RB. That would be 34 year old Fred Taylor.

Brock 09-14-2010 02:30 PM

McDaniels will turn this guy into a pro bowler /duuurrrrr

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7005536)
Mike Shanahan really liked him and was thinking about drafting him so he should do good in Denver.

If only it weren't for the 4 years of data that says otherwise.

-King- 09-14-2010 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005552)
For those counting, that gives the Patriots:

1st round: their own, plus the Raiders' pick

2nd round: their own, plus the Panthers' pick

3rd round: their own

4th round: their own, plus the Broncos' pick

plus one 5, one 6 (it was two before this trade) and one 7. Piling them up, as usual.

That's ****ing crazy.

....and watch Belichick trade all those picks for some other picks in 2012. You guys will end up with all the draft picks by 2060.

-King- 09-14-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005564)
He wasnt' our starting RB. That would be 34 year old Fred Taylor.

"Was" being the key word here.

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7005560)
Explain that one...I'm feeling slow.

The (crickets) was referring to the sound I heard after reading the news of the trade.

booger 09-14-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005552)
For those counting, that gives the Patriots:

1st round: their own, plus the Raiders' pick

2nd round: their own, plus the Panthers' pick

3rd round: their own

4th round: their own, plus the Broncos' pick

plus one 5, one 6 (it was two before this trade) and one 7. Piling them up, as usual.

i know it is conditional pick but do you have any idea of what they gave up for Page? was it 2011?

-King- 09-14-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 7005577)
The (crickets) was referring to the sound I heard after reading the news of the trade.

Oh, I thought "Denver has Maroney" was some sort of pun or something.



Once again...slow day here. Carry on.

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7005563)
Add another 2nd round to this list when you guys trade Moss

:p

He's FA after this season, and won't be traded mid-season. I think we re-up him for 2 years at $9MM apiece or something. Frankly, if he performs as we expect (and he's looked GREAT so far), then it makes too much sense for him to stay with us, and for us to keep him.

Ugly Duck 09-14-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7005541)
He was literally the worst starting RB in the league...

Worse than Moreno?

the Talking Can 09-14-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005537)
Schefter: For RB Laurence Maroney, New England gets Denver's fourth-round pick in 2011 and Denver gets New England's sixth-round pick in 2011.




Wow, talking about getting NOTHING for him. Maroney was worth the spread between a 4th and a 6th round pick. Why don't we get a bucket of warm spit with it? :shake:

eh, he sucks imo

and a 4th is worth a hell of a lot more than a 6th in terms of the talent available to pick from

edit

and it could be a high 4th

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 7005589)
Worse than Moreno?

Heh ... where is ol' McFadden on this list?

King_Chief_Fan 09-14-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7005536)
Mike Shanahan really liked him and was thinking about drafting him so he should do good in Denver.

you should seek medical attention and get some medication for your issues

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7005572)
That's ****ing crazy.

....and watch Belichick trade all those picks for some other picks in 2012. You guys will end up with all the draft picks by 2060.

I do wonder about that.

He once rolled a 4th into a 3rd into a 2nd and then used the pick. His draft strategy drives MANY Patriots' fans absolutely crazy, but I agree with it 100%. Fans always want to move UP, and hate moving down, which is all BB ever does, but I'm 100% on board with it.

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7005590)
eh, he sucks imo

and a 4th is worth a hell of a lot more than a 6th in terms of the talent available to pick from

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...MAGQIE4zKMzkk=

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 7005585)
i know it is conditional pick but do you have any idea of what they gave up for Page? was it 2011?

He's on the team, so the condition may already have been met. Haven't heard boo on what the comp there is. Presumably late round, but I don't know. Page was in on soemthing like 7 of the 60'odd snaps we had on defense last week.

booger 09-14-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005600)
He's on the team, so the condition may already have been met. Haven't heard boo on what the comp there is. Presumably late round, but I don't know. Page was in on soemthing like 7 of the 60'odd snaps we had on defense last week.

be sure to let us know when that becomes know up there. Thanks.

the Talking Can 09-14-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 7005597)

knowmo is in this thread

ChiefGator 09-14-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005600)
He's on the team, so the condition may already have been met. Haven't heard boo on what the comp there is. Presumably late round, but I don't know. Page was in on soemthing like 7 of the 60'odd snaps we had on defense last week.

Seven snaps? Did he get any stats?

If not, I think the sample size is big enough to say he is garbage and will never amount to anything in New England..

; )

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7005590)
and it could be a high 4th

Good point. I love having ANOTHER reason to root for Denver to suck. :D

It's too bad, though. I do like the Boy Wonder. But I can't really root fo rhim while he's Denver's coach. If only he'd gone over to the NFC or something.

My favorite teams in 2010:

1. Patriots
2. whoever is playing the Raiders any given week
3. whoever is playing Denver any given week
4. whoever is playing the Jets/Dolphins any given week
5. whoever is playing the Colts any given week
6. whoever is playing the Ravens/Steelers/Chargers any given week.

:hrmm: This is getting complicated. I'll need to come up with tie-breaking procedures. :D

booger 09-14-2010 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005600)
He's on the team, so the condition may already have been met. Haven't heard boo on what the comp there is. Presumably late round, but I don't know. Page was in on soemthing like 7 of the 60'odd snaps we had on defense last week.

i figured it was for the 6th you just traded. Probably a 7. Plenty of KC fans will crap their pants if it's a 5th, lol.

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 7005610)
be sure to let us know when that becomes know up there. Thanks.

You know I always keep CP in mind for Chiefs/AFCW-related news that might come my way first.

DaFace 09-14-2010 02:42 PM

I'm not sure I've ever been so apathetic toward a Denver trade. I don't think this makes any difference whatsoever, nor is the drop from 4th to 6th a big deal.

:shrug:

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:42 PM

I wonder if this is some knee-jerk reaction trade after they learned that Grant is IR in Green Bay now... Patriots may have been better suited to wait, who knows.

Deberg_1990 09-14-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005523)
I still remember Shanarat praising Maroney and the Patriots pick of Maroney immediately after we drafted him. :shake:

It's really too bad. The guy has classic size/speed for the position and by all rights SHOULD HAVE been very good. Instead, we got to see both DeAngelo Williams and Joseph Addai, taken later in the round, massively outperform Maroney, and Addai play for one of our biggest rivals no less. :shake: Oh, and Nick Mangold be drafted later in the round and become a pro bowl level lineman for our division rival Jets. :shake: :banghead:

Oh well, not all picks pan out, but that one just hurts somehow. He SHOULD have been good, but I guess he just didn't want to spend the effort. Or soemthing...

Hes one of those guys who dances around too much before he hits the hole IMO ...kind of like Marion Barber.

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 7005561)
That's pretty good compensation IMO. Denver will have a top 10 pick, NE will have a bottom 10 pick, and the 4th round >>>>>>>> 6th. The 6th is almost strictly for developmental guys. You can get some nice finds in the 4th.

Believe me, I know. Jarvis Green, Ghost, Aaron Hernandez and (especially) Asante Samuel say "hi".

By comparison, other than that stiff we took in 2000 (some QB named Brady), we've gotten VERY little mileage out of 6th round picks. We've actually done better with 7th rounders. Matt Cassell, David Givens, and Tully Banta-Cain come to mind immediately for 7ths that we got good use out of.

DaFace 09-14-2010 02:46 PM

On a side note, the Broncos have to be up to something like 12 running backs that they've had on the roster between last year and this year. McDaniels must like the shotgun approach to running back development.

BucEyedPea 09-14-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7005544)
Product on an inferior public-school education?

I like this. :D

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 7005616)
i figured it was for the 6th you just traded. Probably a 7. Plenty of KC fans will crap their pants if it's a 5th, lol.

Well, it's conditional. If it's making-the-roster, thent hey probably would've announced it already, so I imagine it's playing-time related. I dunno.

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7005630)
Hes one of those guys who dances around too much before he hits the hole IMO ...kind of like Marion Barber.

Makes sense ... they were in the same college backfield.

booger 09-14-2010 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005637)
Well, it's conditional. If it's making-the-roster, thent hey probably would've announced it already, so I imagine it's playing-time related. I dunno.

PT/Performance most likely, i agree.

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 7005613)
Seven snaps? Did he get any stats?

If not, I think the sample size is big enough to say he is garbage and will never amount to anything in New England..

; )

Just looked. It was five snaps. No clue about stats.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bostonnew-en...medium=twitter

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:54 PM

Analysis of trade from Patriots perspective:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Reiss
Laurence Maroney, a 2006 first-round draft choice who never fully emerged, is getting a fresh start with the Broncos.

Meanwhile, the Patriots are counting on veterans Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk to make it through the season healthy – and the continued development of BenJarvus Green-Ellis -- as Maroney represented a talented insurance policy.

The Patriots receive a 2011 fourth-round choice from the Broncos, according to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. In addition to Maroney, the Patriots shipped a 2011 sixth-round pick to the Broncos, according to Schefter.

Maroney was entering the final year of his contract, so this is a sign that the Patriots didn’t expect him to be back in 2011.

Maroney, who was limited by a thigh injury of late, was inactive for the team’s season-opening win. Yet even upon his return to health, he might have remained inactive as the 34-year-old Taylor had wrestled the No. 1 spot on the depth chart away from him.

Also, Morris had leapfrogged Maroney because of his added value as a lead-blocking fullback, occasional ball-carrier, and contributor on special teams units.

With Faulk entrenched as the team’s third-down back, that left Maroney fighting for the No. 4 spot on the depth chart.

Because coaches often look for special teams value in that spot, Green-Ellis is a better fit than Maroney.

Given that set of dynamics, plus the chance to pick up a fourth-round draft choice, the Patriots saw enough value in the deal to pull the trigger.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...trade-analysis

Amnorix 09-14-2010 02:55 PM

Another dynamic here -- look for the Patriots to completely revamp their RB group after this year. All those old players need replacing, and Maroney won't be the guy, so look for them to spend some of those multiple draft picks they have on an RB or two, and possibly sign some FAs this upcoming offseason.

Skyy God 09-14-2010 03:05 PM

Good point by the ESPN blogger. The law firm is probably a more valuable player than Maroney at this juncture.

Brock 09-14-2010 03:08 PM

I didn't know the Patriots even bothered running the ball anymore.

DaneMcCloud 09-14-2010 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005670)
Another dynamic here -- look for the Patriots to completely revamp their RB group after this year. All those old players need replacing, and Maroney won't be the guy, so look for them to spend some of those multiple draft picks they have on an RB or two, and possibly sign some FAs this upcoming offseason.

Maroney was a poor selection from Day One.

And there's no reason to spend a high draft choice on a running back these days, although teams continue to do so, often with very mixed results.

Quesadilla Joe 09-14-2010 04:00 PM

Quote:

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him," Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...30/mmqb.draft/

Quote:

"Oh, yeah, when I look at Maroney, and we looked at him a lot, we thought he had everything," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said. "He's got speed, elusiveness, power, that ability to make people miss. You didn't see a lot in pass protection (in college), but you saw plenty of toughness.

"When you look at running backs, there are very few that can separate themselves from the rest of the pack. We thought he had a chance to be one of those."
http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/...ed-by-maroney/

:)

Skyy God 09-14-2010 04:08 PM

4 year old quotes about a disposable position. Woooooooooooooooo!

Ugly Duck 09-14-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 7005592)
Heh ... where is ol' McFadden on this list?

On top of the list, Moreno on the bottom:

150 yards McFadden, 95 rushing, 55 receiving
100 yards Charles, 92 rushing, 8 receiving
77 yards Matthews, 75 yards rushing, 2 receiving
64 yards Moreno, 60 rushing, 4 receiving

Fritz88 09-14-2010 04:22 PM

Great move for Denver. He will lite things up. 2593 Yards this sesons + preseason.

Mile High Mania 09-14-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 7005883)
On top of the list, Moreno on the bottom:

150 yards McFadden, 95 rushing, 55 receiving
100 yards Charles, 92 rushing, 8 receiving
77 yards Matthews, 75 yards rushing, 2 receiving
64 yards Moreno, 60 rushing, 4 receiving

Oh yeah, I forgot we're working on a 1 week only historical basis...

Chiefs Pantalones 09-14-2010 06:02 PM

The poor get poorer.

JD10367 09-14-2010 06:11 PM

Maroney sucks.

Denver sucks.

Move along, people, nothing to see here! :D

OnTheWarpath15 09-14-2010 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7005552)
For those counting, that gives the Patriots:

1st round: their own, plus the Raiders' pick

2nd round: their own, plus the Panthers' pick

3rd round: their own

4th round: their own, plus the Broncos' pick

plus one 5, one 6 (it was two before this trade) and one 7. Piling them up, as usual.

Yep. The rich get richer.

Nice moves.

boogblaster 09-14-2010 07:32 PM

glad i wasn't born a donk-fan .. its the half-brain removal thats scary ...

Marcellus 09-14-2010 07:33 PM

Lol. Denver has to trade for RB after week 1 and somehow Knowmo sees that as a positive.

Kerberos 09-15-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7005863)
4 year old quotes about a disposable position. Woooooooooooooooo!

Like MHM pointed out "If only it weren't for the 4 years of data that says otherwise".

Maroney has done nothing but make a case for being a suck ass bust. But good luck to your Broncos and McDumbass on this one.

vailpass 09-15-2010 10:47 AM

LOL at the Chiefs for taking another cast-off patriots player.
Oh wait....

Skyy God 09-15-2010 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7006325)
Lol. Denver has to trade for RB after week 1 and somehow Knowmo sees that as a positive.

Dude could snap off upsides (and by that I mean cite someone else's opinion) of the Holocaust if pressed.


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