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Well ladies and gentlemen, the worm may be turning for Logan Mankins. (Pure speculation of course. :) )


NFL Rumors – Would the Patriots Trade Logan Mankins?

The New England Patriots are waging a war internally against left-guard holdout Logan Mankins…and they’re winning decisively, giving rise to some NFL betting rumors about trading their Pro Bowl lineman The Patriots have always been an NFL team that gambles their own internal constitution against those of players and agents, holding the team above all else.

Tom Brady proved that the right way to get paid by Robert Kraft is to show up for work, say the right things and keep your fingers crossed.

That’s pretty much the opposite of what Mankins did. He hasn’t been seen anywhere near the Patriots except to stir the pot of his contract negotiations. Dan Connolly, who serves as the current starting left-guard next to Matt Light, did a very admirable job against the Bengals on Sunday. Brady suffered just two quarterback hits the entire game, and was protected well enough to enjoy zero sacks.

Which pretty much paints a clear picture for what the Patriots have to do with Mankins, and that’s trade him. Get his disgruntled ass out of New England and in a new uniform so both parties can move forward. So which teams are the best candidates to swing for the fences with Mankins? NFL rumors insist it’s the Cowboys, but the Chiefs are a much more logical landing spot for him.

Dallas Cowboys

The Cowboys are the obvious choice to trade for Mankins because they’re desperate. On top of that, they’ve shown a willingness to give up exactly what the Patriots will be looking for in a trade. They’ll pay Mankins while sending a second-round draft pick (or more) to give Tony Romo the type of protection he needs.

The glaring weakness for Dallas was their horrific offensive line play, which needs any help it can find in free agency. Jerry Jones has never been shy when it comes to making trades, and sending Mankins out of the division and the AFC would be seen as a smart move, especially if they can get a good draft pick in return.

New York Jets

The Jets clearly need someone better than Matt Slausen at their own left-guard spot, but they’ll have to send a boat load to make the Patriots trade Mankins in the division. Still, as the McNabb trade proved, it isn’t beyond reason for teams to trade Pro Bowlers to a big rival. The Jets have to do something to give Sanchez a fighting chance because Slausen is a huge liability on the offensive line.

Kansas City Chiefs

Pioli loves acquiring Patriots and is more than willing to give up draft picks and money to get them. With the Chiefs riding a clear wave of momentum after upsetting the Chargers on Monday Night. Brian Water hold down the fort at left-guard for the Chiefs right now, but at 33-years old the youth movement in Kansas needs someone to replace him.

Hell, he gave Matt Cassel $63 million when he came over from New England. There’s no way he’d pass up a chance to protect that investment by paying Mankins the $45 million or so that he wants.

I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to be paid like one of the best lineman in the league. He does. It’s just that the Patriots don’t need him like they need Tom Brady which is why their wallet will stay closed as their ears remain open to NFL rumors and trade options teams like Chiefs and Cowboys float his way.

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Bring it!!!!Why the hell not?I don't know anything about the guy other than the basics,so hook me up......
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I don't see it happening. Unless management really doesn't like Asamoah.

We need a center & a tackle more than a guard. I dont know.

Can he throw it 15 yards?

Yep. Lilja is awesome and Waters didn't suck eggs last night.

I'd rather use the draft pick we eventually give for Mankins on a center or tackle

Let's give them Copper. Heh.

Patriots are short on running backs now

i think Mankin can be a good right tackle

Asamoah projects to be a very good Center as well. Mankins-Asamoah-Lilja would actually make for a really good interior line. I also think that he could be a real good RT, if you're willing to be patient with him to learn the position--he played LT very well and given that he's a natural Guard, he obviously has the leverage to play RT just as well.

Waters, Battle and a third for Mankins

Good deal for both teams.

Mankins played tackle throughout college. The Pats moved him to guard. He's a 1st round draft pick and a 2X Pro Bowler. He could play anywhere on our line and be as good as or better than our current players.

They can have Thomas Jones, please.

something like that

Albert,Lilja,Wiegmann,O'callaghan,Mankins

Mankins at RT would be a position most suited for all that money he is wanting too.

lilja back to LG and O'callaghan is much better with a guy outside of him.

Give them Waters, start Mankins at RG, Lilja at LG, Asomoah at C, and Richardson at RT with Albert at LT.

CHAMPIONSHIP!

trying not to yell here but that is just silly

getting rid of Jones so the Chiefs have to run Charles into the ground is just such a short-sighted .... breathe ... relax ...

i disagree with your stance about using Charles that much.

Or keep Waters for this season and use O'Callaghan as depth. ;)

oh yea ... just depends on what the trade is

What the ****?

Who in their right ****ing mind would move a two-time Pro Bowl and one time All Pro left guard to right tackle?

:shake:

Herm Edwards?

When is Waters contract up?

I don't even think Herm is that dumb

Hell, maybe an upgrade on the o-line would convince the coaches/FO to put Brokie in the lineup if Cassel continues to struggle. I know, pipedream.

Nice try.Cassel is our man till he's dead or his contract expires.
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I would think a better Oline would lead to a change in playcalling regardless. More passing would either make or finally break Cassel in KC which is what we need. I don't want anything undecided, by the time next year's draft comes around i want cassel to either boom or bust.

KC doesn't need this guy.

I'm not sure which way to go on that, sir: LMAO OR :deevee:

If they were to beef up the O line,one would hope they'd step up the attack.I wish I hadn't read this thread now.......
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Albert
Mankins
Weigman (till he drops down to 270 toward the end of the year like he has the last couple then Asamoah)
Lilja
2011 DP/FA

Me likey

I just don't see how he's a good value for this team unless you also send back one of our starting guards.

If you trade for Mankins, you better be sure that Asamoah is a bust.

If we can get 3-4 good years out of Lilja and Asamoah works out, I'm not terribly concerned with addressing the line other than drafting a center.

If we were to emerge out of the first 2 rounds of 2011 with a combination of Michael Floyd/Julio Jones/Baldwin and say Kris O'Dowd, I'd be a very happy camper.

I think Barry Richardson can get it done at RT. He just needs time at the spot, just like Berry and Lewis need time at S.

I still think that the right tackle position is Richardson's to lose.

Let him play 16 games and if there isn't a proof of growth, move him back to swing tackle and bring in someone else as a starter in 2011.

Asamoah doesn't need to be a bust for this to be good, imo. Mankins is a Pro Bowler. Waters and Weigman are not going to be around much longer. We need talent and depth. Let the coaches figure out where the pieces go. As I said before, Mankins played LT throughout college. He may prove to be more versatile than some may think. Pioli is familiar with Mankins and I trust him to make the right move either way. (BTW, I've got nothing against Richardson.) Time will tell.

To me, Richardson is still a good 80% tackle, but not really starter quality on a good line.

When he gets his hands on a defender, he neutralizes him almost every time and is a damn good run blocker. My problem with him is, he doesn't always have the mental ability to know who to block and is slow to react when he makes a mistake.

Maybe he just needs time and experience.

Or maybe he just doesn't have the ability to do so and that is why he fell on draft day and still struggles to know who to block.

I value line play as much as almost any poster (that doesn't know what Okungs balls taste like) and would prefer us to take a tackle in the third round or sign a vet to man th position if Barry doesn't show by years end he has that mental ability to take the next step.

I really like Asamoah and think he can play any of the three interior line spots effectively. He could be a good center IMO.

If he can do that, it could be HUGE for our line.

I'm amazed no one has asked the key question; "Can he play NT?"

I've brought this up several times in the past but Richardson started 40 games at left tackle for some pretty good Clemson teams.

For the past three years, the Chiefs have shuffled him back and forth from the left to the right sides of the line, which require a different skillset. I think Richardson is more than smart enough to be a right tackle and he has the size and strength to be dominant. He just needs more reps.

If he doesn't improve throughout the course of the 16 game season, look elsewhere for a starter. But hopefully, he'll continue to ascend.

Mankins played LT in College...blocked for David Carr and iirc only gave up like 2 sacks his entire career in college

I wouldn't doubt it if Belichick has certain deadlines in his mind when it comes to doing things. And, for Mankins, he might've said, "If this mother****er doesn't sign by Game One, he's dead to me." Because as soon as they beat Cincy, these rumors popped up... and notice how, as soon as they beat Cincy, the morning ink was barely dry concerning Monday Night Football when Belichick shipped Maroney's ass to Denver. He's also the guy who once shipped his starting safety (Lawyer Milloy) to Buffalo before the first game of the season.

I think the relationship between Mankins and the team is too fractured to repair, so I think they should just get it over with and trade him already. At this point, as a Pats fan, I'd take whatever help we can get in the form of players at the LB, CB, or RB position. Either big fish in an equal trade, or little fish with a draft pick, whatever.

This.

Maybe they ARE planning to move Waters to center after all. Or,.... maybe not.

This 2.

do you know how his starting career in Clemson ended?

He got benched for a true freshman iirc.

I have never liked him, but am definitely willing to give him a real chance. He is better than Ocal...that much is certain and that makes him our best RT at the moment so we might not have a choice.

Anytime you can get a pro bowl olineman I say do it, but that's just me.

Didn't sombedy say that only his first two years are guaranteed? Or something like that that makes him more easily 'get-ridable?'

That reporter thinks Kansas City (Missouri) is in Kansas. As a result, I hate him.

Pioli knew what he was doing in constructing this deal to where if he doesn't improve, he's gone. He has a $7.5 million roster bonus due to him in March 2011 if he's still on the team. He's not seeing that money either way. If he's good this year, they renegotiate that deal, if he's the same Cassel as last year, he's gone.

Yeah, I caught that too.:cuss:

It depends on the compensation to NE, especially considering the Chiefs have two capable left guards currently residing on the roster (and one rookie that can play left guard).

At what value?

I live in Arizona now and all the dumbasses I work with say the same thing. "Hey how about Kansas last night, your Chiefs did well!" I have nothing against Kansas, that's my college team, Rock Chalk!, I just don't like it when people get it wrong thinking that the Chiefs are in Kansas. I always correct them but the idiots keep on doing it. I'm weird like that though.

Milkman has just placed his crosshairs on you.........;)

Thanks for the splanation.

That's why I qualified it with "maybe not." Seriously though, if there were such a move planned we would have seen Waters play center some in the preseason. The regular season is no time to experiment.

No prob. Chances are there that we'll have a new QB next year if we see the same Cassel. Pioli and Haley are not patient people despite what some people say. They won't be afraid to get his ass out of here if Cassel is doing nothing but reeruning the rebuilding process.

Well, keep in mind, it is KANSAS City, not Missouri City.

I've met hundreds of people in California throughout the years that have no idea that the KANSAS City Royals and KANSAS City Chiefs don't play in Kansas.

:D

It's understandable. They have no idea that there's a KCMO and KCKS. I explain it to these Arizona tards all the time lol.

i'm hoping Asomoah turns into a great center anyway

Albert,lilja,Asomoah,O'callahan,Mankins


btw Mankins has subbed at tackle before in NE and looked good at it.

Laz, Ive tried to keep from blasting you because you seem like a good hearted dude and all that means well, but what in Gods creation makes you think a man with as slow of feet as Ryan Ocallaghan could play right guard?

Why? Asasomah is a natural right guard, a potentially dominating one. Why mess with his natural position?

I think he is talking in the realm of us trading for Mankins and developing Asamoah as a center.

I wouldnt be totally opposed to such, but I do agree that his best position is RG.

I argued with an ex of mine years ago over that.I had to get online and pull up Arrowhead Stadium before she'd believe me.LMAO

I don't think that there's any question that Richardson is better than O'Callagan, but for some reason this staff likes O'Callagan, so when he's ready, he'll be trotted back out there.

Eh...

When I moved out here to California, it used to piss me off that dumbasses didn't know that the KC teams were Missouri based, but you leaarn to get over.

Let the dumbasses be dumbasses.

You can't fix stupid.

lol definitely. My fiancee' is from Arizona and she said they taught her that in geography or something (the whole KCMO and KCKS thing) I was surprised she knew. I guess it wasn't taught everywhere lol.

How many college starts does Asamoah have at center?

He is.

Get his ass. Groom Asamoah(sp?) to play center. Mwuhaaaahaaaa.
He's a proven guy. A drafted player is a gamble.

That is ****ing crazy. Seriously. Jamaal Charles = 2k yards or bust FTW! I can't imagine if we had lost the damn game.

Hell, if we want more Patriots, maybe we can trade Cassel back to them...they gotta have another QB laying around somewhere right?