Which was a better game, NFL 2k5 or Madden NFL 2005?
 

Simple question. Which game do you feel was the better product?

NFL 2K5... best football game ever made (Outside of Tecmo Super Bowl ;) )

Madden still hasn't been able to match the presentation or the gameplay. I hope someday the exclusive license expires and 2K can make football again.

2K Sports used to shit all over EA and the Madden franchise.
I'm glad they're working to get another license for 2013.

I guess I never did play 2k5... but I think Madden 05 was one of the last real good ones.. I still think 03 was by far the best though.

Personally i believe that 2k was alot better, but with the price factored in, it clearly made it the superior game.

Agreed.

ESPN's 2K5 was the superior game by miles.

It did all the extra things that Madden's EA team couldnt care less about.

Here are some examples.


1. Broken Tackles. Madden, basicly you get hit and fall down or you do some type of super pwnage stiffarm to break the tackle. ESPN had where the defender wraps up the ball carrier, but if you had charged up your shoulder charge, or repeatedly hammered the X button you could drive your legs and get out of the tackle.


2. Full, free flowing conversation style commentary. Madden didnt even start doing that until the 09 game, and even now Madden's commentary cant stand up to ESPN's game.


3. Penalties. ESPN's game enforced penalties that Madden STILL doesnt even acknowledge the existence of.

Illegal Contact
Illegal Touching of the Pass
Ineligible receiver downfield
Intentional Grounding


4. Challenge system. Madden thinks it can read your mind and know what you're challenging. You want to challenge whether or not you fumbled that ball, and Madden assumes youre challenging the spot of the ball. ESPN's game brought up an enormous freaking list of things possible in that play that you could challenge, and you select if from the list.


5. Presentation. Halftime highlights with Chris Berman Pwn'd anything Madden 05 had to offer.


6. Extras. By performing well on the field, you could make upgrades to your user profile's "crib". Mini games such as paper football and darts were really cool additions.


7. Profile system. You could play the game and it would map what your tendencies were. I used to play this game with my buddies all the time, and even when they werent there I could load their profiles into the opposing team, and they would call plays based on the tendencies of my friends. If they blitzed 70% of the time on D, you could rest assured that the CPU would call just as aggressively.


Bottom line, ESPN 2k5 was superior to Madden 05 in about every facet of the game. To top it off, their game was only TWENTY BUCKS.

To counter this, EA didnt try to make a better game, they just cornered the market and secured the NFL license for themselves.

I CANNOT fuckING WAIT until that deal expires.

ESPN NFL 2K13 FTMFW!!!!

NFL 2K5 was one of the best sports games in the history of video games. I don't understand how anyone who played both games can say otherwise.

You should have made this poll public. :(

I think Madden 05 was the last in the series I played,but I liked 2K5 way better.
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If the game hadn't been a threat, both in quality and in price, EA wouldn't have bought exclusivity.

Never played NFL 2k5.

Yeah, I remember how bad I felt for Take Two when they decided to go with the $20 price tag to hopefully have people give it try and see how much better than (the household name) Madden it was. They decided to forgo possible profits for 2004 in hopes that it would create a much bigger fanbase for their future releases. Too bad EA stepped in and killed the bird before it could take off. Oops.

I still have NFL 2K5. Best sports game ever made, and it was $20. Can't wait until the Madden exclusivity expires.

I was going to buy Madden that year, but when I saw a $20 football game out I bought it. To my surprise it was amazing.

Nfl 2k5 was amazing...And it was 20$...That was the year the NFL sold its soul to the Devil (EA) and ruined football games for 10 years. We as consumers can only wait until their dirty deal is done before having a good game again....

The crib, trophies, and 1st person mode were all pretty innovative.

Well the proof is in the pudding, kcchiefsking.

ESPN 2K5 was clearly better and I had played Madden like most people up to that point.

I doubt EA ever lets the licesne out of their grasp.

the fact their games (at least football) are average at best, and the fact they have the onions to charge $60 for their product without putting much development into it year in and year out...
it's a cash cow for EA.

that said...I wish the license would go away and we'd see some competition for football gaming dollars.

ESPN 2k5. Only next gen NFL game I ever bought. **** Madden.

Ea couldn't compete so they bought their way to the top.

If you like GAMEPLAY and you didn't choose Madden, you don't know what you're playing.

Madden 05 was actually a really good game.

My problem with 2k5 was if you understood how to look at the defense before the snap you could literally complete every ****ing pass. The coverages were so telegraphed you knew what would work and what wouldn't before you ever snapped the ball.

I completed something like 80% of my passes with Trent Green on that game.

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Madden on the PS2 and the Xbox was always a pretty good game, by the end of the generation it was very good, the problem is it's been balls since the next gen systems came out.

They still haven't put things in that were in the old gen games, shit like that is unacceptable.

Thought u had me on iggie hootie?

Stop following me.

Microsoft is working on a "dick stick" for the next game so you grab the other team, or take photos of it and send to the press.

Seriously?

ESPN 2k5, like Madden, has always had sliders you could adjust if you found the game to be to difficult, or too easy.

Madden has also always had several "money" plays that the CPU just could not stop.

What 2k5 DIDNT have however, was the super awesome defensive stamina draining glitch.

Madden 05 tried to be innovative and work in formation shifts before the snap, so teams who ran offenses like that could be played this way in game.

Sadly, for every time you shifted your formation, the game would glitch and the defensive players stamina would be reduced exponentially each time. Do that a few times each snap and you have players on the field whose top running speed is that of an 80 year old man with severe spinabifida.

So Madden pretty much made you choose what was gonna happen. You keep fatigue on, and you keep the auto subs and things as they were and NEVER ran a single formation shift (one of the biggest offensive improvements)....or you turn fatigue off and never see any of the starters ever come out of the game at all, and you play against players who never get tired.


If Im having to choose between a $20 game that is a bit too easy and can be tweaked with difficulty sliders, or a $50 game that has the same issues and a game breaking glitch in there you can do nothing about, thats a pretty simple decision.


My post raging about that glitch is actually still here from when I posted about it when the game first came out, and how bummed I was that the NFL License was stuck with these assclowns at EA Sports.

You watch this, and then you tell me that Madden had superior gameplay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfCs_zBV9jE

NFL 2k5 was the shit.. and it was much cheaper, but people forget that was also a very good year for Madden. The gameplay was pretty good, they had the interviews with actual players for real in franchise mode, they had all the drills still in there (fun times), and it just felt right.

I'd say 2k5 was probably the better game, but 05 for Madden was the best up until maybe 09, and franchise mode might still have been better in 05, even though that's pretty sad to say.

Edit: One note, I do not play online with football games, so those kind of glitches I can't comment on, and I probably didn't experience them in any significant way. Money plays and glitching are why I refuse to play football online, there always seems to be some.

This.


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2k5 kicked Madden's ass that year. That was the last year I even bother buying football games. Still have 2k5 and occasionally still play it.

$19.99 was the perfect price point too.

I'd like to know who the 25% are voting for madden.....I wish this was a public poll so I could mock them.

This is mind boggling...

Hootie, you really don't know what youre talking about on this one..

my friend was the same way as you dumbass fanboys...

In 2005 I was 19 years old...it was my freshmen year in college and I had no job...

I sat and played Madden all day...my friend Darren worked at GameCrazy and was like..."dude NFL2K5 is way better than Madden!"

So I checked it out...it was laughable...I was like "Darren...come play Madden with me and try to tell me 2K5 is better..."

We played...and then we played some more...and then some more and some more and some more...

and he finally admitted that 2K5 wasn't even in the same ballpark.

All you fanboys are just saying this because you're cheap ****s and bought the game for $19.99 because you couldn't afford Madden...

but hey...

LETS TAP A TO SPRINT!

LMAO

"Casual" football gamers preferred NFL2K5 because of this...but real football gamers know Madden was better IF ONLY FOR THE ONLINE PLAY...and because of the greatest feature ever...QB Vision (even though all of the casual gamers complained about this, too...because they are too impatient to play it in practice mode and figure it out...made the game SO MUCH MORE REALISTIC)...

but please...

keep trying to tell me 2K5 was better...casual gamers...because it wasn't...and not in any way.

Yeah, the $20 price tag was the only reason we liked it, you are too right.

Ahhh...

Madden 2004 was QB Vision...and then the fanboys cried and made it optional in 2005 (I still used it because I'm not a ****ing pussy little bitch)...HIT STICK was 2005!

This article: http://features.teamxbox.com/xbox/87...n-NFL-2005/p1/

Exactly what I said. THE GAMEPLAY IN MADDEN WAS SO MUCH BETTER AND IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE. And this is ALL I care about in football games.

These guys gave the graphics, audio, and *somehow* online play nod to 2K5 (I guess I didn't play too much online for such an inferior game)...and gave the two games a tie...

but they voted unanimously that Madden had better gameplay and if that's not the most important thing for you guys...then you're morons...

and Madden franchise mode 2004 was REVOLUTIONARY and SADLY they haven't changed it much since then but when it first came out it was UNBELIEVABLY addicting and fun...and as realistic as a franchise mode has ever been to this date.

We used to play team mode in 2005 and the hit stick was so ****ing cool...

The game play was amazing all the way through the XBOX Original Madden 2008...the next gen sucked ass in 2008 and 2009...but they have righted the ship in 2010 and now in 2011...the game is getting closer to the gameplay in 2008 on the original console...not quite there yet...

but either way...

it's so funny that people think 2K5 is better than Madden 2005...it's the casual gamers...not the ones that spent THEIR WHOLE DEPRESSING LIVES AT THAT TIME playing video games...

Did we all forget that I played so many video games at that point in my life I was #2 in the nation on Tiger Woods 2005 XBOX version????????????????

The qb vision thing was 2006.

Hit stick was 2005 and that is still the best thing to ever happen to video games.
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ESPN NFL2k5 is the best football game i've played in the last 7 years, and it was cheap as hell. **** EA, they half ass everything when they can do so much better

I love the presentation of 2k5. The ESPN presentation between games was perfect. But the gameplay of Madden was by far better at that point. It seems like 2ksports has a hard time figuring out a way to make the gameplay stand out and match their efforts of the presentation. With that said, I'd love to see another NFL game out right now. I hate how Madden half asses everything now.

There's always been an element of people who have ripped Madden and always said the other game was better. Just because it's the "hip" thing to do. People used to say that stuff about NFL Gameday in the 90's, and I thought those people were nuts. The 2K series does a pretty good job in several sports though. I don't think Madden really tailed off until the last few years. Madden 04 and 05 were pretty good games. But I only play franchise mode, and try to keep it realistic in terms of game scores, stats, etc. Never been into the online thing.

I honestly miss NFL Gameday. If I could pick any football series to come back it would be Gameday. I didn't play it the last 2 years it was out, because all I cared about at that time was Madden. But gameday was always a good 2nd option. Now, if only a football game could incorporate the ESPN presentation.

I'm one of the 25 percent. Whether Madden half assed 2005 or not, it was way better than 2k5. Tap A for speed??? Terrible. So irrelevant that Madden finally removed the burst button this year.

Keep dreaming. 2k5 had the graphics of Tecmo Bowl.
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LOL hootie.

So, we are wrong just because one of your friends converted.

Well HOT DAMN i guess you were right.

Madden 2005 had a turbo button so your point is irrelevant.

You didn't have to tap it 500 times and because of that, your thumbs didn't develop athritis.
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When you run, do you move your legs or do you just glide? In that case 2k is more realistic.

LMAO this comparison is ridiculous.

ROFL ROFL ROFL Thats the worst analogy you could have come up with.

LMAO Epic Fail on DBoSho

Actually in 2k5 the best way to utilize speed was to hold the A button until your meter charged up, and then press it one more time to get the full sprint effect.

You hit the hole or sprint away from the defender with one button press, and then if you get wrapped up, you hammer the A button for leg drive to break out of the tackle.

It was the same with all the special moves. You set them up by charging them and then at the right time using it on the defender. A fully charged shoulder drop by a big RB was pretty sweet to watch. Same with jukes and spins.

Defense had the same thing. A fully charged tackle resulted in a bone crushing hit.

Keep in mind Madden Fanboys, that all through the Sega, and PS1 years, Madden always had you tapping the sprint button to run faster as well. Nobody seemed to complain.

2k5 kept that and improved on it with the ability to charge up the move to make it stronger.

Maybe it wasnt for everybody, but at least it wasnt broken.


Madden sucks.

Hey, you need that FG to win at the end of the game? How about I line up offside right in front of your holder and sack him when you snap it, resulting in the game ending because the guys at EA are too f*king stupid to realise that a Half, or Game cannot end on a defensive penalty?

How about you just go for it on every 4th down, because its impossible to punt if I bring a rusher with any type of speed off the right side of the screen?

Maybe Ill just spam the formation shift until your defense has zero stamina and walk right over you to the endzone.

Ill bust any run to the outside for a td by repeatedly juking and watching the ridiculous AI continuously react to each juke as if it happened right in front of them.

All this is outlined in the Madden 05 video I posted had you bothered to watch it. Superior gameplay my ass. The proof that this game was a giant frothy jar of ass is right there.

Every single game has glitches in it, I find it comical when people can't resist setting some house rules to not cheese the shit out of the game design, you know god forbid you don't keep running that play that always works.

Ok, either youre braindead, or you never play online.

If some douchebag is losing, you can rest assured the exploits in game design are not far behind. Its usually always defended with a remark like "They made the game like this for a reason. Learn to play noob."

You shouldnt have to go for it every 4th down because the game designers cant design punt protection.

Dickbags shouldnt be able to get a lead, wait for a play that ends with the clock running, and then repeatedly jump offsides until the half/game ends, because the programmers are too stupid to make the clock stop with a defensive penalty.


"House rules" are what are considered mandatory by fanboys who refuse to believe that the people who designed their beloved game have the IQ of an inbred kid rocking a severe case of downs syndrome.

You shouldnt need house rules. I dont recall anything in the 2k5 game that let you repeatedly grief the other player as much as Madden did in an online contest.

ROFL ROFL ROFL! What the **** and who the **** do you play with? Sounds like you play against little kids. Either play people who know how to play the game and aren't cheesers, or shut the **** up. There are cheesers in every game. Yes, even your little precious 2k5

I find that most people who complain about "cheesing" are just terrible at the ****ing game and want a reason to blame why they lose all the time...

I used to get that shit all the time when I was online...and I didn't "cheese" and I played with Damon Huard at QB (67) instead of Trent Green.

This is what you get for playing in the lobby with random people. Every single game has glitches in it no matter how good it is, play with random people and prepare to get pissed.

Maybe im just reeruned, but explain it to me.

What makes more sense to simulate running? Tapping a button multiple times, like your legs move when you run, or holding a button down the whole time?

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lol, NFL2k4 had the hitstick but they never advertised it like EA did. 2K never gimmicked you with the NFL games, they just gave you the best product by far with their football franchise. Madden 05 was an ok game, but it wasnt close to being better. Its like Major leagues then the double A team down in some city no one knows about.

People bitching about playing cheaters in the ranked lobbies have no one to blame but themselves, 2K had a pretty damned good system with their reputation ratings. Anyone under 80 percent you STAY away from. Hell, in APF2K8 i have over 500 votes and my rep percentage is at 91 percent. If you play sim people will give you a good rating. now you will get a bad rating on people that just cant take a loss, but it evens out.

So when you jump up for a high pass, should 2k make you press a button 500 times based on how high you want to jump? Like 20 times to jump 5 inches...40 to jump 10 inches...etc. Cause its not realistic that pressing it once automatically makes up jump to the appropriate height.


Or when you're playing call of duty, should you have to press a button once to remove the clip, press it again to get another one, press it again to put it back it the gun, and press it again to chamber the bullet? Cause its not realistic that pressing one button once automatically does all that for you.

speed burst only worked for a little while then your guy got tired. Ate up all his endurance.

There used to be this cat that played with the Chiefs online Firstborn3d. Best player i ever faced. Played legit and just murdered people with the Chiefs. Imo, him and Quickwitdahands were the best players. Quick was just so badass playing safety. he used the Bills as well. Beastly.

One thing i didnt like about 2K5 and its one of the few things, is they used to have this rating, i forgot the name of it, but we called it the cheater rating. It used to cause players to create plays and the Patriots had all their players really high with that rating. It put you at such a disadvantage. lol Ravens had it as well, but Patriots were a pain in the ass.

lol. It's still hilarious. I mean, do you hold R2 while you drive? Press square to brake? I know I don't tap X while I run. If you want something realistic to what you are trying to portray, both games are wrong, and they should make the L3 and R3 sticks as the legs. You know, left stick, left leg, right stick, right leg.

But no, nobody is dumb enough to do that.

But OUT OF THE TWO, which one feels more like youre running?

2K5 by far, playing Steve 0 was a blast. Playing against the celebs were a blast cuz they were unpredictable & was like playing against a friend lol.

Great game. Playing first person was fun too.