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Lzen 10-28-2010 08:57 AM

NFL.com breaks down Moeaki's great blocking
 
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ok-Top-rookies

NIUhuskies 10-28-2010 09:02 AM

IOWA!

booyaf2 10-28-2010 09:02 AM

:whackit:

crossbow 10-28-2010 09:11 AM

Thanks for that clip. It was fun to watch.

Groves 10-28-2010 09:21 AM

I'm gonna suggest that if you have a pinkie finger that goes east or west when it should be going north, you ought not wave it around in front of peoples noses when giving commentary on a sports program.

I did automatically give him +10 in the toughness category, without even knowing how it happened.

Oregon chief 10-28-2010 09:23 AM

For some reason my work computer doesn't want to play videos from nfl.com. Strange because it plays videos from everything else. I don't suppose anyone can embed the video here could they?

bluehawkdoc 10-28-2010 09:27 AM

Agree with above, thanks. Good analysis by those guys... Moeaki has been a great pick so far. The rookie production on this team has been phenomenal. Like they said in the clip, when you have rookies contributing at a high level, it's like playing with "house" $$$.:thumb:

BossChief 10-28-2010 10:00 AM

You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp

Reerun_KC 10-28-2010 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125176)
You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp


Pioli is a draft failure....

Chiefs Rool 10-28-2010 10:03 AM

nice vid, good to see him getting some love

Red Dawg 10-28-2010 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125176)
You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp

STFU! Whiny ass!

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-28-2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125176)
You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp

Moeaki will be a stud for years and years. Damn good pick!

teedubya 10-28-2010 10:46 AM

Yeah, he has been completely badass... I just pray he stays healthy. I love his contributions to the team.

TheGuardian 10-28-2010 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125176)
You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp

heh........

Boy there was in fact an explosion of bitching on draft day about this pick. And I am saying right now this kid has all the tools to be a pro bowler for years to come. But hey, coulda had a nose tackle or some special teams linebacker with that pick, so Pioli obviously sucks ass.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7125319)
heh........

Boy there was in fact an explosion of bitching on draft day about this pick. And I am saying right now this kid has all the tools to be a pro bowler for years to come. But hey, coulda had a nose tackle or some special teams linebacker with that pick, so Pioli obviously sucks ass.

So, you're saying the same thing everyone else said.

People bitched about the pick because he couldn't stay healthy in college, not because of a lack of talent.

But why let the facts get in the way?

Crush 10-28-2010 12:13 PM

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Pitt Gorilla 10-28-2010 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125176)
You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp

You especially don't do it for the 17th ranked TE in the draft!

okiedokieokoye 10-28-2010 12:47 PM

We moved up 9 spots to get Tony. We lost our 4th round pick to do this. That's not a huge sacrifice by any means.

JohnnyV13 10-28-2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125389)
So, you're saying the same thing everyone else said.

People bitched about the pick because he couldn't stay healthy in college, not because of a lack of talent.

But why let the facts get in the way?

In fact, I recall many complained not so much about Moeaki, but rather that there were a number of good tight ends still on the board so that we probably didn't need to trade up.

That complaint seems pretty legit now, because we can look at Aaron Hernandez who was taken in the 4th round by the Pats.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 7125538)
In fact, I recall many complained not so much about Moeaki, but rather that there were a number of good tight ends still on the board so that we probably didn't need to trade up.

That complaint seems pretty legit now, because we can look at Aaron Hernandez who was taken in the 4th round by the Pats.

You're absolutely correct.

I don't recall anyone disputing his talent.

I do, however, recall people not being thrilled that we traded up, when we could have had him, or someone as talented with our original pick. And people were concerned that he missed something like 26 of Iowa's 52 games while he was there.

And there were people that weren't thrilled with the fact that the regime had traded up to take a TE two years running.

Rausch 10-28-2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 7125538)
In fact, I recall many complained not so much about Moeaki, but rather that there were a number of good tight ends still on the board so that we probably didn't need to trade up.

That complaint seems pretty legit now, because we can look at Aaron Hernandez who was taken in the 4th round by the Pats.

I complained because we didn't appear to be addressing the WR position, offensive line, or defensive line.

Then we draft a JV Gonzo who's always injured.

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125545)
You're absolutely correct.

I don't recall anyone disputing his talent.

I do, however, recall people not being thrilled that we traded up, when we could have had him, or someone as talented with our original pick. And people were concerned that he missed something like 26 of Iowa's 52 games while he was there.

And there were people that weren't thrilled with the fact that the regime had traded up to take a TE two years running.

I think it's getting close to time for you to start apologizing for your draft day meltdown this year.

Anyone hear from Mecca lately? Or are the Chiefs too good this year?

unothadeal 10-28-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 7125435)
Posted via Mobile Device

I agree

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:34 PM

In 22 games Pioli has turned the Chiefs into one of the best teams in the NFL...

and really...there is no disputing that...name 8 teams better than the Chiefs. Name 5...

People still want to give Herm and Kurarich the credit...sure, they brought talented players to this team...no doubt...

But how much of it has been coaching by Haley and the assistants?

did DJ ever play as good as he's playing now? Hali?

Has Bowe ever been as focused?

They changed the entire culture of this team...for the better. Pioli drafted talented players this year with winning attitudes...and it's paying huge dividends.

Hamas Jenkins struck Pioli out 9,000 times last year...

So far he had a weak draft in 2009 where EVERYONE seemed to have a pretty weak draft...

and then he followed it up with what appears to be a LEGENDARY draft class...

and suddenly we're a top team in the AFC...

and if Cassel keeps improving the way he has been improving...and the confidence builds...and we start getting more from that position...

with our crowd and our homefield we can go a long way this year...

and Pioli is responsible...

and has anyone noticed how quite our drafturbators have been this year???

They know they screwed the pooch on Pioli...they gave him ZERO TIME to do anything...and now look...

Guess there was a reason he was the executive of the decade, after all...

-King- 10-28-2010 01:45 PM

Well atleast OTWP was right about McCluster...

Quote:

And the Rams understand value.

Gilyard is a better WR and KR than the guy we took 70 picks ago.
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....postcount=4961
ROFL

BossChief 10-28-2010 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125389)
So, you're saying the same thing everyone else said.

People bitched about the pick because he couldn't stay healthy in college, not because of a lack of talent.

But why let the facts get in the way?

This is true about some posters...others lambasted the kid over and over before and after the draft saying over and over "the guy is no better than the 17th ranked tight end in this class on ANY draft site"

Well before the draft I had multiple arguments with many posters here about his ability to be a total player. I compare(d) him to Visante Shiancoe as a receiver (and got laughed at for my efforts, just wait till Cassel develops, or we get a real quarterback in here he will be a deadly weapon in the passing game) and he is one of the best tight ends in the NFL as a blocker. I pointed out over and over how well he helped shut down Derrick Morgan in their bowl game while having a damn good receiving game and helping for us seal the edge on running plays all in the same bowl game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by okiedokieokoye (Post 7125535)
We moved up 9 spots to get Tony. We lost our 4th round pick to do this. That's not a huge sacrifice by any means.

We lost our fourth rounder and a late fifth rounder in the trade for a player that could very well be a perennial probowl player if he is able to avoid the fluke injuries he suffered in college.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125545)
You're absolutely correct.

I don't recall anyone disputing his talent.

I do, however, recall people not being thrilled that we traded up, when we could have had him, or someone as talented with our original pick. And people were concerned that he missed something like 26 of Iowa's 52 games while he was there.

And there were people that weren't thrilled with the fact that the regime had traded up to take a TE two years running.

haha

if you still think that there were multiple other "just as talented" players available there, you don't watch blocking very much and just care about the receptions a tight end gets.

Put Moeaki on the Patriots and he would look like a much better player overall than Hernandez, which is a receiving tight end, not a complete player.

...

Also, I cant believe you guys still bitch about Pioli trading a future seventh round pick to get back into the 7th round of last years draft to take a player with a good size/speed ratio for a position of need. You cant win em all (or in the case of the 2009 draft, you cant win at all)

...

So far, Tony Moeaki has been our best draft pick!

-King- 10-28-2010 01:49 PM

And I know GoChiefs loves to bump drafturbator posts...so...

...After finding out what we gave up for Moeaki

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My god.

Fire Pioli now. Just ****ing reboot this shit, Clark.
Quote:

I'm literally just sitting here giggling about the absurdity of this draft.

Pioli is a buffoon. There is no way around it at this point.

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125580)
Well atleast OTWP was right about McCluster...


http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....postcount=4961
ROFL

OTWP had a rough draft weekend...no doubt

Reerun_KC 10-28-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7125564)
and has anyone noticed how quite our drafturbators have been this year???


This has been the biggest surprise....

-King- 10-28-2010 01:52 PM

Ok...I think the draft thread just goes to show you that no matter what....nobody on this forum knows WTF they're doing. Mecca just looks like a ****ing dumbass looking through his posts.

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:53 PM

the Saints took Graham 95th...

I bet the Chiefs thought the Saints wanted Moeaki and they traded up to snag him...

Can't fault the decision, can't fault the compensation...

and damn...we got a great, great, great player out of it...

Moeaki is a beast...

The only thing that scares me is he takes a lot of hits...and he doesn't take they very gracefully...he'll have injuries over the years...you can just tell...he won't be the iron man Tony Gonzalez was...

but he has been our best draft pick thus far...

and although the stat sheet doesn't jump out at you...McCluster played a HELL of a game on Sunday and he's a straight up baller. That dude was a hell of a pick, too...

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125594)
Ok...I think the draft thread just goes to show you that no matter what....nobody on this forum knows WTF they're doing. Mecca just looks like a ****ing dumbass looking through his posts.

yeah and he does every year...

but the "gurus" think they have it all figured out...and think they know better than NFL GM's...

it's sad, really

BossChief 10-28-2010 01:54 PM

Real talk:

Pioli should be the GM of the year so far for 2010.

He had a rough get going in 2009, but has surely redeemed himself through his additions to this team this year.

No question that he has done the best job of any GM in the league this year.

IMO

Berry
McCluster
Arenas
Asamoah
Moeaki
Lewis
Weigman
Lilja
Romeo
Weis
Shaun Smith
Getting something for Page/Magee

Thats one hell of a good haul.

Reerun_KC 10-28-2010 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7125595)
the Saints took Graham 95th...

I bet the Chiefs thought the Saints wanted Moeaki and they traded up to snag him...

Can't fault the decision, can't fault the compensation...

and damn...we got a great, great, great player out of it...

Moeaki is a beast...

The only thing that scares me is he takes a lot of hits...and he doesn't take they very gracefully...he'll have injuries over the years...you can just tell...he won't be the iron man Tony Gonzalez was...

but he has been our best draft pick thus far...

and although the stat sheet doesn't jump out at you...McCluster played a HELL of a game on Sunday and he's a straight up baller. That dude was a hell of a pick, too...

When I heard the pick of McCluster and Arenas, I was like WTF Mate! But then again, WTF do I know?

Both picks have proven to be great picks...

-King- 10-28-2010 01:57 PM

Oh Mecca ROFL ROFL

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Swap out our 2nds for the Ravens 2nds and take Moaki off and put in someone like Griffen or Sapp and this draft is a homerun.

BTW, anyone notice how Mecca was on RIGHT AFTER the Houston loss...but after we beat the Jags, he posts like once a day?

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:57 PM

I understand having an opinion etc. etc. etc.

but these guys are extreme...especially on draft weekend

It's ridiculous.

So far...

Berry
McCluster
Arenas
Moeaki
Lewis

is shaping up to be a legendary draft class...and we still probably have some value in Asamoah...

shit other than Berry...their favorite player was Asamoah and he doesn't even play!

Hootie 10-28-2010 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125607)
Oh Mecca ROFL ROFL




BTW, anyone notice how Mecca was on RIGHT AFTER the Houston loss...but after we beat the Jags, he posts like once a day?

he's a troll...nothing more, nothing less

and now that USC suffered the death penalty he has nothing to cheer for...

Chiefs are good, USC is bad. What the **** does he have to post about?

Maybe the asshole should find a job and start being a productive member of society or something.

Hootie 10-28-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7125604)
When I heard the pick of McCluster and Arenas, I was like WTF Mate! But then again, WTF do I know?

Both picks have proven to be great picks...

I was shocked when I heard McClusters name...

and then I did some research...

and realized Pioli wanted gamebreakers...

can't fault him for that

bsp4444 10-28-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125594)
Ok...I think the draft thread just goes to show you that no matter what....nobody on this forum knows WTF they're doing. Mecca just looks like a ****ing dumbass looking through his posts.

That's why I don't understand some of the vitriol spouted over the draft. It's ok to discuss and give opinions, but crimony, be open to other people's opinions. We can't all be Dane McCloud.

Reerun_KC 10-28-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7125617)
I was shocked when I heard McClusters name...

and then I did some research...

and realized Pioli wanted gamebreakers...

can't fault him for that

The speed difference is just amazing... I am actually looking forward to next years draft and what this team becomes over the course of the next 3-5 years...

But this season has so far been amazing... The next 10 games are going to be a hoot!

TheGuardian 10-28-2010 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125607)
Oh Mecca ROFL ROFL




BTW, anyone notice how Mecca was on RIGHT AFTER the Houston loss...but after we beat the Jags, he posts like once a day?

i've said all along that Mecca isn't really a chiefs fan. He's just a ****ing worthless troll who doesn't know shit. His takes on the draft every year look unreal comical. He RARELY gets anything even remotely close. So whatever MEcca or OnTheShitPath58 says, just know it will be the opposite. It's the same for Dane but not quite as often.

keg in kc 10-28-2010 02:07 PM

Man some of you guys are really butt hurt. Why do you let those guys get to you?

TheGuardian 10-28-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7125643)
Man some of you guys are really butt hurt. Why do you let those guys get to you?

I think because those guys spend all of their time propping themselves up as some kind of be-all-end-all expert then proceed to shit the bed on everything they say and get everything wrong.

They should expect it really.

Lzen 10-28-2010 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7125643)
Man some of you guys are really butt hurt. Why do you let those guys get to you?

Perhaps its not that people have opinions on things the organization does. Perhaps its more the fact that some people think their own opinions on how the organization does things are more valid than other people's opinions on how to do those things. And some even go so far as to denigrate differing opinions. When that happens, I guess it must make it even sweeter when they are proven wrong.

Chief Henry 10-28-2010 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIUhuskies (Post 7125059)
IOWA!

If Iowa could only remember to make sure the punter punts the :cuss: :cuss:
football !!!!!!!!

salame 10-28-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125176)
You dont trade multiple picks for tight ends...**** we gave up a 4th and fifth rounder for this guy FML /cp

Remember when I told you I hoped he was as good as you said he was...
you are right on so far

BossChief 10-28-2010 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salame (Post 7125675)
Remember when I told you I hoped he was as good as you said he was...
you are right on so far

Yeah, I do actually. Thanks.

DBOSHO 10-28-2010 03:00 PM

This might be piolis best move in his tenure so far.

ChiefGator 10-28-2010 03:07 PM

Awesome... thanks for posting that.

Shogun 10-28-2010 03:11 PM

Great video, we need to keep that kid healthy, he is doing his part and more for us.

Mecca 10-28-2010 03:12 PM

The butthurt in this thread is hilarious, the internet it is life.

|Zach| 10-28-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7125720)
The butthurt in this thread is hilarious, the internet it is life.

WHO IS GONNA COVER VERNON DAVIS!?!?!?!

BossChief 10-28-2010 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7125720)
The butthurt in this thread is hilarious, the internet it is life.

So says the guy with 80,000 posts in 5 years.

FTR, you would have a lot more respect if you just came out and admitted when you were wrong now and again. Instead, you tend to act like you know everything and everyone else is and idiot (CPTM) if they don't agree with you....only to be followed up by being wrong about a shitload of your takes.

When you clown people for their opposing opinion to yours and they turn out to be right, don't they deserve to claim the credit for such? (this is in no way in relation to our numerous conversations about Moeaki/Angerer predraft)

You know as well as all the rest of us that if this team was 2-4 or 1-5...you would probably have another 7,000 posts...so, really, who is butthurt here mecca?

jspchief 10-28-2010 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7125643)
Man some of you guys are really butt hurt. Why do you let those guys get to you?

How many threads/discussions do those assholes derail every year with their "expertise"? And they can't just have an opinion and make it known. It has to be pounded into the skulls of any poster that doesn't agree verbatim.

Is anyone in this thread anymore "butthurt" that the drafturbators trolling threads in the off-season like a pack of feral dogs?

Really no surprise they are being called out now.

Mecca 10-28-2010 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125747)
So says the guy with 80,000 posts in 5 years.

FTR, you would have a lot more respect if you just came out and admitted when you were wrong now and again. Instead, you tend to act like you know everything and everyone else is a idiot if they dont agree with you....only to be followed up by being wrong about a shitload of your takes.

When you clown people for their opposing opinion to yours and they turn out to be right, don't they deserve to claim the credit for such? (this is in no way in relation to our numerous conversations about Moeaki/Angerer predraft)

You know as well as all the rest of us that if this team was 2-4 or 1-5...you would probably have another 7,000 posts...so, really, who is butthurt here mecca?

Uh dude when you discuss the draft you're gonna miss frequently, guys who do it for a living miss frequently.

Also judging a draft 5 minutes after it happened as the best draft ever is pretty bad.

I've said I was wrong plenty of times, do you want me to walk around with a trumpet or something? I'm sorry I thought drafting a guy who missed half his teams games in college wasn't a real good move.

|Zach| 10-28-2010 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7125757)
Uh dude when you discuss the draft you're gonna miss frequently, guys who do it for a living miss frequently.

Also judging a draft 5 minutes after it happened as the best draft ever is pretty bad.

I've said I was wrong plenty of times, do you want me to walk around with a trumpet or something? I'm sorry I thought drafting a guy who missed half his teams games in college wasn't a real good move.

The Chiefs won this past weekend. Go away dude.

HemiEd 10-28-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 7125231)
Moeaki will be a stud for years and years. Damn good pick!

yeah, but they could have picked him in the 8th, he would have still been there.

BossChief 10-28-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7125757)
Uh dude when you discuss the draft you're gonna miss frequently, guys who do it for a living miss frequently.

Also judging a draft 5 minutes after it happened as the best draft ever is pretty bad.

I've said I was wrong plenty of times, do you want me to walk around with a trumpet or something? I'm sorry I thought drafting a guy who missed half his teams games in college wasn't a real good move.

I understand you are gonna miss frequently, but when you clown people for disagreeing with you and they turn out to be right, you cant claim they are butthurt for calling you on it.

Who called it the best draft ever 5 minutes after the draft? I thought it was pretty damn good but nowhere near best ever. In fact, I started a thread the next day asking for everyones grade of the draft and I kicked it off by grading it a B.

Like I said, this has very little to do with Moeaki and more to do with you guys clowning people for their takes, even when they are backed with numerous amounts of data to back their argument. Its fun and entertaining to do so, but just be prepared when it blows up in your face.

A lot of the shit you get, you ask for.

Shogun 10-28-2010 03:36 PM

I don't bother getting upset at draft picks, I have no control over them anyways. I support my Chiefs year in and year out, win or lose. If we draft a good rookie and they perform well, Then good, if not, cut him or trade him. Makes no difference to me, I'm a Chiefs fan, and I'm not letting a Draft pick change that.

CrazyHorse 10-28-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7125757)
Uh dude when you discuss the draft you're gonna miss frequently, guys who do it for a living miss frequently.

Also judging a draft 5 minutes after it happened as the best draft ever is pretty bad.

I've said I was wrong plenty of times, do you want me to walk around with a trumpet or something? I'm sorry I thought drafting a guy who missed half his teams games in college wasn't a real good move.

To be fair, you should trumpet the fact that you're wrong as much and as often as you proclaim you are right. In other words, you'll need more than a trumpet, and you'll need to start multiple threads and post in multiple threads until people are sick of it.

To be fair. You should kick yourself in the ass as much as you pat yourself on the back.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7125557)
I think it's getting close to time for you to start apologizing for your draft day meltdown this year.

Anyone hear from Mecca lately? Or are the Chiefs too good this year?

Yeah, because I'm the only person who's ever been wrong here, Mr. Tony Romo, HOF'er.

:rollseyes:

And FWIW, we're what, 6 games in?

Funny how Tyson Jackson needs 3 years to develop, but some of you are 100% positive that Dexter is the black Wes Welker after 6 games.

Please.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7125588)
OTWP had a rough draft weekend...no doubt

Why's that?

Because I didn't change my mind after the fact like 99% of the board did?

This place erupted after Dexter was taken, and again when Arenas was taken.

Then, after the fact, people changed their minds - just like after the Cassel trade.

I'd rather have an opinion and be wrong than be a flip-flopper.

HemiEd 10-28-2010 03:46 PM

:popcorn: :popcorn:

This thread has some real potential.

BossChief 10-28-2010 03:49 PM

We are all wrong from time to time...even the best of us.

The difference is that some of us own those failures (I liked Krumrie, Thigpen and even defended Herm to a point...hell, I am talking about us drafting Ricki Stanzi in the second round FCS) and others act like they never happened and go on clowning everyone else thinking they are deserving of being on some pedestal.

Direckshun 10-28-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7125608)
So far...

Berry
McCluster
Arenas
Moeaki
Lewis

Let's tone down on the "legendary draft" stuff.

This draft gave us some excellent role players. But it didn't give us much at the most important positions: QB, WR, DL, passrusher.

Berry is really the only one of the bunch that has the upside to be a player that this franchise could revolve around.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 03:50 PM

I do find it comical that those of us that didn't care for some of the picks have already been "proven wrong" after 6 games, while nothing is said about 2009, in which most of us were dead right, at least after 24 games.

So, to recap, Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel need more time before we can declare them bad picks, but we can declare Dexter and Arenas great picks after six games.

Comical the lengths people will go to pile on people they don't like.

|Zach| 10-28-2010 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7125835)
Let's tone down on the "legendary draft" stuff.

This draft gave us some excellent role players. But it didn't give us much at the most important positions: QB, WR, DL, passrusher.

Berry is really the only one of the bunch that has the upside to be a player that this franchise could revolve around.

Did you expect multiple picks from this draft that a franchise "can revolve around"

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125834)
We are all wrong from time to time...even the best of us.

The difference is that some of us own those failures (I liked Krumrie, Thigpen and even defended Herm to a point...hell, I am talking about us drafting Ricki Stanzi in the second round FCS) and others act like they never happened and go on clowning everyone else thinking they are deserving of being on some pedestal.

The only person who doesn't regularly own up to their misses is Mecca, and he's much better than he used to be about it.

That doesn't keep people from lumping others in with him.

BossChief 10-28-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125818)
Why's that?

Because I didn't change my mind after the fact like 99% of the board did?

This place erupted after Dexter was taken, and again when Arenas was taken.

Then, after the fact, people changed their minds - just like after the Cassel trade.

I'd rather have an opinion and be wrong than be a flip-flopper.

This place erupted because we had ZERO confidence in Matt Cassel and from that standpoint the ONLY pick was Clausen after he fell so far, and right into our laps. For all we know, Cassel might end up as a damn good quarterback and in the long term, DMC may end up the easy best pick at that spot. Hopefully, that's the case.

Once we got over that, we started realizing that DMC is one hell of a good playmaker and most of us wanted exactly that before the draft.

Hell, he is looking just as good or better as Spiller and some of you (Im looking right at you OTWP) would have been totally fine with CJ at 5. DMC is essentially a smaller, quicker version that we got at 36. Once we realized that, it was all gravy baby.

-King- 10-28-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125839)
I do find it comical that those of us that didn't care for some of the picks have already been "proven wrong" after 6 games, while nothing is said about 2009, in which most of us were dead right, at least after 24 games.

So, to recap, Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel need more time before we can declare them bad picks, but we can declare Dexter and Arenas great picks after six games.

Comical the lengths people will go to pile on people they don't like.

Lmao who has said they weren't bad picks?
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Fritz88 10-28-2010 03:55 PM

I am impressed with the kid. I will have to give props to Pioli for trading up for him.

I will see how things (and people in here) turn out when he picks an injury.

Los Pollos Hermanos 10-28-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125834)
We are all wrong from time to time...even the best of us.

The difference is that some of us own those failures (I liked Krumrie, Thigpen and even defended Herm to a point...hell, I am talking about us drafting Ricki Stanzi in the second round FCS) and others act like they never happened and go on clowning everyone else thinking they are deserving of being on some pedestal.

I dare you to find a post where I was wrong!


That's what I thought.

:)

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7125855)
This place erupted because we had ZERO confidence in Matt Cassel and from that standpoint the ONLY pick was Clausen after he fell so far, and right into our laps. For all we know, Cassel might end up as a damn good quarterback and in the long term, DMC may end up the easy best pick at that spot. Hopefully, that's the case.

Once we got over that, we started realizing that DMC is one hell of a good playmaker and most of us wanted exactly that before the draft.

Hell, he is looking just as good or better as Spiller and some of you (Im looking right at you OTWP) would have been totally fine with CJ at 5. DMC is essentially a smaller, quicker version that we got at 36. Once we realized that, it was all gravy baby.

You keep saying that, but don't bother to remind anyone who had to be off the board in order for me to want Spiller.

Quit acting as if Spiller was my first choice at 5.

WilliamTheIrish 10-28-2010 03:57 PM

We're 4-2. Don't care who wanted what. Don't care who said what. And yes, I thought the Mo pick was bad.

But I'll eat that crow.

-King- 10-28-2010 03:57 PM

You know what's funny? OTWP said that he loved the fact that the Lions chose a playmaker (J.Best) over a need. And the he gets mad that we chose playmakers over our needs.
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OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125857)
Lmao who has said they weren't bad picks?
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Please tell me you're kidding.

This place goes balls to the wall to defend both on a daily basis.

-King- 10-28-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125873)
Please tell me you're kidding.

This place goes balls to the wall to defend both on a daily basis.

Who?
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Direckshun 10-28-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 7125843)
Did you expect multiple picks from this draft that a franchise "can revolve around"

My first three picks in this draft would have been

Berry
Clausen
Cody

Now... you have a better chance of building around a stud safety, a quarterback, and an elite nose tackle, than you can a stud safety, a gadget player, and a returner/nickelback.

Now, however each of these players pans out over time is yet to be known. But not all positions were created equal, and I still feel like we spent our blue chips on white chip positions.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing (Post 7125870)
You know what's funny? OTWP said that he loved the fact that the Lions chose a playmaker (J.Best) over a need. And the he gets mad that we chose playmakers over our needs.
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:spock:

Best fit a need for Detroit, as Smith was coming off major knee surgery, and was the BPA at the time.

That's what I would have preferred at the time for us - the best available player at a position of need/value.

But this place will argue that KR's and NCB were a greater need than OLB, ILB and NT.

Guess we'll find out over the long term.

Like I've said a million times, I hope I'm wrong.

|Zach| 10-28-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7125885)
My first three picks in this draft would have been

Berry
Clausen
Cody

Now... you have a better chance of building around a stud safety, a quarterback, and an elite nose tackle, than you can a stud safety, a gadget player, and a returner/nickelback.

Now, however each of these players pans out over time is yet to be known. But not all positions were created equal, and I still feel like we spent our blue chips on white chip positions.

I see what you are saying but you didn't answer the question. You flippantly said that there is only one guy a franchise can revolve around.

Do you think any team came from this years draft with multiple guys you can revolve a franchise around?


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