Lack of quality WR's hurting Cassel & Chiefs
 

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Down the field as in, one yard down the field?

Day Rome Built Not

Cassel needs more weapons. All those weapons that we added last offseason have proven insufficient... We need 3 Jerry Rice clones, and Cassel will flourish... maybe...

What kind of weapons are Philip Rivers and Peyton Manning enjoying right now? Shut the **** up, Patrick Allen.

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The Chiefs WR corps being lousy isn't exactly news.

it's true, neither our QB or WR's are particularly good.

our offense tackles are nothing to write home about either


so the 3 main parts of an nfl passing game are weak on the Chiefs ... not good.

This is another reason why Chief fans shouldn't be talking about playoffs.

This is a passing leaugue and you have by far the worst passing game in the NFL.

The Raiders disrespected Matt Cassel and your receivers all day by manning up on them, with little to no safety help over the top. And you still couldn't beat them.

Damn.

where the gif of bowe dropping the ball on his gaming winn err losing drop?

cherry picking bitch

The sweet comfort of mediocrity calls thy name.

Puke.

Lack of quality WR's sure hurt Rivers

or how about the 3 and out during OT?

It doesn't matter what Chiefs receivers are on the field.... Matt knows who he is throwing the ball to when he exits the huddle.... he then stares them down and throws it to them in double/triple coverage. If this isn't the case, it's because Cassel saw a defensive lineman out of the corner of his eye 8 yards away and paniced to throw to the checkdown.

For the chiefs to put a bunch of money into proven name WR's.... it would be like putting a Turbo on a Ford Pinto. It's pointless when your QB blows.

Why can Manning and Rivers make practice squad guys look like seasoned vets right from the start??

Manning's numbers have suffered with the injuries to his receivers, and that's with still having a receiver the caliber of Reggie Wayne out on the field. Brady's numbers have suffered with the absence of Moss and the injury situation with Branch and Welker.

Quit acting like you blew us out you ignorant f@ggot.

The fact that we have one legit WR on this team is an indictment of Scott Pioli.

He should be raked over the coals for not bringing in Anquan Boldin and spending a 2nd round pick on Dexter McGimmick.

Are you not aware of the GIFed UP thread? Sometimes you can see interesting things in there. Things like open receivers being ignored by Matt Cassel, for example. I know it's shocking, but you should probably head over there and take a look.

so, last year's excuse is still this year's excuse?



too bad Cassel doesn't have a running game to take the pressure off him....

Or a decent offensive line.

Or a solid OC.
:rolleyes:

WTF? The back up WR's on those teams are all world compared to ours. Herm got rid of all speed at the position. He wanted them all to be Giants like Bowe.

Related topic: anyone know McCluster's status?

or a draft full of playmakers

I think there have been plenty of times that Cassel has hurt more than helped...

Yes our WR's blow ass, but so does our QB.... Neither are helping either out...

Suck + Suck = Suck....

Has anyone watched the Giants?

His receivers have let balls go right through their hands into the DB's hands for interceptions.

They probably have as many, if not more, drops than the Chiefs receivers.

But Eli Manning overcomes the mistakes and continues to make plays and lead that team to wins.

Eli is a Manning, but he ain't Peyton.

He's a good, even very good QB.

But that is the difference between a backup QB (Cassel) and an NFL calibre starting QB.

This is another reason why Raiders fans shouldn't be thinking about breaking out of jail to buy playoff tickets.

The Chiefs WRs and QB are about as good that of MU's, which aren't very good. Even with the Chiefs terribad passing attack, you still managed to give up 2 passing TDs, one to a guy who's hardly played a game in his life.

On defense, the Chiefs disrespected the Raiders all day by blitzing guys like Berry, thus no safety help. What does that say about Campbell? The difference is Ford is better than any loser WR the Chiefs have on the team. Of course, it still went to OT, even with a bunch of joke WRs.


See? I can do a troll post too.:rolleyes:

Cassel's not a top 5 quarterback. That's not news. Neither are all but 5 quarterbacks in the league. However, every QB misfires on throws. Every QB misses open receivers.

That doesn't change the reality of how much help/harm the team's wide receivers are bringing to the table, which is what this thread's OP was about.

Colt McCoy, a third round rookie QB is throwing to a who's who of scrub receivers, and he has looked better in three starts than Cassel has looked in 30+ starts.

Matt Cassel has run out of excuses. He's not a starting QB.

That's really the key point, right there ... for us Chiefs fans, I mean.

A combination of homervision, hope, and helplessness are causing people (including me, by the way) to look for the lipstick on Cassel's performances. I was watching Ruthlessburger last night and it struck me that there is a vast difference in things like footwork, throwing mechanics, reads, etc. between Cassel and guys like him. And I absolutely despise Ruthlessburger.

Given that I've grown accustomed to Cassel's delivery and resigned myself to the fact that his relatively slow release is due, in part, to his size, I was kind of stunned watching a big guy like Ruthlessburger who can (when he wants/needs to) get the ball out really, really fast and be extremely accurate (on the quick slant in the face of blitz pressure, for example).

It's sad because I know in my heart of hearts that Haley would like a dependable, consistent quarterback who can develop the passing game on this young team. Surely, he and Weis could draw up some interesting stuff with a guy who can consistently make reads and all the necessary professional throws. I have to believe that Haley dreams of a passing game that can compete with our rushing offense.

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Just a guess, but Manning probably gets more attempts per game than Cassel does?

There are times i wish the Chiefs would let Cassel attempt more passes. Depends on the game situation....

They don't because they know what he is. This gameplan is tailored to make Cassel look decent....and it's not even doing that.

E Manning averages roughly 7.5 more attempts per game.

This hasn't really been discussed enough but consider this:

Both of the Chiefs TD "drives" were aided by the refs.

They gifted us with 40 yards on a bogus pass interference and with a 30-yard field on the bogus fumble.

Basically the only way we were scoring a TD in that game was the refs.

Without a running game Cassel couldn't lead a real drive worth a shit in that game, and he proved it in overtime.

Agree 100%, Send him packin along with Bowe...

If you ever took the time to read my fascinating, insightful posts, you would know that it actually has been discussed, Mr. GoghChiefs.

This offense cannot seem to sustain a long drive without help. More often than not, we enter the redzone with assistance from the enemy or the refs or both. I think that's one of the reasons for all the 4th down calls.

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If you had to choose one QB for a "game winning drive" who would it be?

1. Bono
2. Grbac
3. Cassel

Grbac: 50 percent chance he wins the game, 50 percent chance he throws the ball in bounds with no timeouts left and 10 seconds on the clock.

Bono: 25 percent chance he wins the game, 50 percent chance he throws four straight incompletions, 25 percent chance he throws an interception.

Cassel: 10 percent chance he wins the game, 90 percent chance the drive stalls around midfield and he throws a Hail Ducky that hits the crossbar.

I'm not like everyone else.....I'm not giving up on Bowe.

Bowe has 4 drops on the year. 4 in ****ing 8 games.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...iving&rank=232

Have they come at the most inopportune times? Yes. But FFS.....look at who is ahead of him on that list.

i see no reason that bowe needs to be off the team..

this thread really should be the wr's are getting no help due to a shitty ass horrible ****ing QB.

Yup.

Check this....

Tell me what the following players all have in common:

Miles Austin
Randy Moss
T.O.
Wes Welker
Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Steve Smith(C)
Reggie Wayne
Mike Williams (Both Sea and TB)

Every one of these players has more drops and less TDs this season than Dwayne Bowe.

All I know is Andre Johnson CAUGHT his game winning TD, and didn't let the ball him in the damn chest and bounce to the turf.

Nope....but he did drop a critical pass that resulted in an INT that ended the game.

Andre Johnson also let a perfect pass that hit him in his hands in stride on what might have been a game winning drive go right through his hands and into the hands of a DB for a game ending interception against the Chargers.

People should really stop bitching about Bowe.

Put him on a team with a legit QB and he probably has 700 yards right now.

Well, this isn't meant to say Bowe is better than all the players on that list. He's not.

The purpose of this was to show that Bowe is quietly having a decent year and has improved on his drops and TDs. People are calling to throw him off the team. Hell, I heard a caller on 810 today say that he'd hate it if the Chiefs got to the Superbowl this year, cause Bowe might drop a pass.

People lack perspective.

I heard that too, the idiot would rather not be in the SB with bowe and have a different WR and not be in the SB

****ing moron

Something like this.......



****ing Cassel....

i pray a top 3 QB falls to us in the draft...

Yeah... It's the WR's fault that they don't have a 60" vertical jump to catch the balls 10 foot over their heads. Quality WR's catch balls thrown 5 feet behind their backs on crossing routes and balls that hit the turf 5 yards in front of them. Sure Bowe has his faults, but I'de like to see how many "catchable passes" he drops when the QB hits him in the numbers in stride.

Grbac

receiver will be a top priority this coming offseason

The lack of quality WR's has been a constant for the past 20 + years or so. Think about it...

No way. Bowe will get in his own way regardless of the QB.

I think that's an unfair statement to make given that the 2nd play was a designed screen to Moeaki that was blown up and the 3rd down play, there was nobody open.

I was originally pissed at Cassel for not doing better in OT. But looking back at the tape, I don't think that was his fault. Not this game. To me, the biggest reason we lost OT was Charlie Weis, not Cassel.

I agree in part. Cassel did his job on the last drive of the 4th quarter. He got the ball to Bowe, it was a bit under thrown but very "catchable." We all know what happened. The moment was there - Bowe didn't seize it. The game never should have gone into OT.

We're building .. in need of a couple WRs .. another LBer .. another good OLman .. and draft a QBOTF .......

Matt Cassel is hurting Matt Cassel.

Come on. That's not fair.

Why is that there is always a ****ing excuse for Matt Cassel....but everyone around him gets shit on?

FFS. The common person in all of this is Cassel. It falls on him.

I'm pretty sure there are a handful on CP who do that. And a massive amount of people who are so thirsty for Cassel blood that they refuse to believe that anybody but Cassel could have ****ed up a play, even when evidence shows it's not true.

In this case, based on what I've seen from the video, the end of the game is a lot more on the receivers and Weis than it is on Cassel.

You know, I agree that the drop by Bowe is on Bowe at the end of the day.

However, I also believe that a consistent QB, not a great QB, makes receivers look pretty good because of their consistency.

Trent Green serves as an example of that.

An inconsistent QB makes inconsistent receivers look worse than they are.

In other words, Cassel's inconsistency contributes to Bowe's inconsistency.

Our QB isn't very good. I just have issues when we use hatred for our QB to make excuses for our receivers when they don't play well. In this particular OT, they didn't get open.

To your point about consistency, yeah, I think that's definitely entirely possible. But against Oakland at the end of regulation and in OT, I don't believe it applies.

Bowe has to make that catch, no question.

Just another observation about the reasons that Cassel is a target.

Noted. For the record, I don't have a problem with Cassel being a target. Most of the time he deserves it.

Not referring to Cassel, but talking in general...

Shitty receivers make QBs look worse than they are.

Shitty O-lines make QBs look worse than they are.

Shitty running games make QBs look worse than they are.


The QB position is dependent upon other positions for success in a way that's unlike every other position on the field. Jeff Garcia could play in Philly, S.F. and, to a lesser extent, even Tampa Bay, but he shit the bed in Cleveland and Detroit. People who ignore the impact of dropped passes, lack of separation, poor route running and the like really have no business trying to evaluate QBs.

On the flipside, shitty Qbs make WRs look worse than they are.
Shitty QBs make O-lines look worse than they are.
Shitty QBs make running games look worse than they are.

See David Carr.

Cassel has a hard time hitting a screen pass let alone a down field pass. He's a back up quarterback at best. If Pioli has any brain he'll cut Cassel at the end of the season and avoid paying the ridiculous 7.5m bonus and resign Croyle. Croyle can easily do what they are asking of Cassel but Croyle has the confidence to throw a pass beyond 10 yards.

Depending on how the rest of the season goes and what draft pick the Chiefs end up with I think theres a real chance that Baldwin would land in the Chiefs lap. I dont see the Chiefs making the playoffs. We'll probably split with the Broncos, Rivers is going to go off on us in SD, and I wouldn't be suprised if Bradford lights us up. That puts us at 10-6 at best but I wouldnt be suprised if we find a way to lose one other game for the same reason we lost to the Raiders and 9-7 isn't going to beat the Chargers. So if we can get Baldwin, start Croyle and get a backup in the 2nd/3rd rounds because by week 3 Croyle will be on the IR. Otherwise I think we need to take a QB in the first round.

Agreed on all those points.

But in the case of the Chiefs, on the WRs, there's give and take. Moeaki is the only receiver on this team that consistently gets separation. I think Bowe is a good receiver at positioning his body to make a catch once it's in the air, but I don't think he's an overly consistent route runner. And McCluster would be so much more effective if we had an effective receiver at #1 who can stretch the field.

Again, not making excuses for Cassel because he misses way too many passes that he should hit. But no doubt we are missing some very critical pieces at receiver.

You're absolutely correct. But, as I noted before, this was about the receivers hurting the QB/team, not the other way around.

Also, just a quick note, specific to the Chiefs:

The O-line and the WRs sucked in 2009, regardless of who the QB was going to be. This year, the O-line's been improved, but the WRs still suck.

That's independent of Cassel.

There are more than enough examples of Cassel misfiring to an open receiver in 2010. It's not independent of Cassel.

The Chiefs had a chance to sign TO this past offseason.

Yes the O-Line was bad and the WRs sucked, but Matt Cassel made them look worse than they were, and still makes them look worse than they are.

I wish we would had been able to draft revis instead of bowe

And thankfully they didn't.

Even the commentators said no one on KC receiving corps could get open therefore the need to resort to screens which the Raiders laughed off.

So Cassel should throw the ball to himself ?? ROFL