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Tyson Jackson is an absolute non-entity. I watched him on nearly every play he was in, and he was almost constantly dominated by either Harris or Beadles 1-1. It’s pathetic

Our lack of size and depth at NT is really starting to show and it did at this point and time last year as well.


Donald Washington has the worst ball skills of any secondary player I’ve ever seen. Ever. Calling him Bartee may be an insult to Bartee. On the first long catch by Lloyd, he pulled it in around the back of Washington’s helmet, and he totally blew inside coverage on Lloyd’s TD grab from Orton in the first. The 2009 draft could not have been worse. Oh well, at least his career as a starter lasted three ****ing drives before he was removed for FA street trash.



The challenge-non challenge was bullshit, but it probably wouldn’t have been overturned anyway. That was actually a good break, believe it or not.
Hey Ricky Price: Welcome to the NFL, bitch.

Cassel has the worst pocket presence of perhaps any NFL QB. He just cannot stop staring at the rush. He took a killer sack on the driver where Succop missed the 52 yarder. On Mays’ dead ball PF, He sucked the ball up and refused to throw it to either Chambers or Charles, who was wide open before Cassel tucked it and Charles slipped. Furthermore, our single-read passing system is so ridiculously limited. All of Cassel’s completions in the first portion of the game were on pre-scripted plays. We don’t just script our offense, a la a WCO, we pre-script the reads, which makes it impossible to throw downfield. Example: Cassel’s first completion, and the pass we completed to Bowe where he was instantly blown up by Mays. Moeaki was deeper and more open, but Cassel decided where he was going before the ball was snapped.

Josh McDaniels pulled Romeo Crennel’s cock through his ass today.

Watching this team get owned by mother****ing Friar Tuck should salt away any illusions we have about this team being able to “make noise” in the playoffs. The division is SD’s to lose.

Cassel has to be benched after taking all of these sacks. You can throw the ball away you stupid mother****er. He also totally missed Hagan blitzing. Richardson picked up the DE, Lilja double-teamed Williams, Moeaki released into the route and Cassel didn’t see any of it. Even then, he still had almost three seconds to get rid of that ball. He had Bowe wide open on the slant. Wide open. He just had to throw it where Bowe would have been and it’s 28-7 instead of 35-0. It was funny that they pulled Richardson after that play, even though it was the QB’s fault. Total sacred cow situation. O’Failaghan was terrible in relief, BTW.

That goal line stand is why our running game is tremendously overrated.

Jake O’Connell is still the worst player in the NFL

Cassel sure looked awesome against a prevent defense, which is why we can’t blame him at all for this performance. It will be interesting to see how the dropped picks are excused (I counted at least 3) and playing against a Cover 4 is ignored.

This game exposed every one of our weaknesses. The NTs got annihilated, we couldn’t generate any pressure if Hali was blocked, and our QB shit himself if his pre-scripted route was covered, taking too many sacks, missing too many easy throws, and generally ****ing us, we don’t have a deep threat, and we can’t run in short-yardage situations.

You pretty much nailed.

I will let you know Maas was talking about B-Rich being pulled and he said on that play he ****ed up the block and that is why they yanked him and he said once they put in Ryan pass protection got quite a bit better.

The o-line is disintegrating before our eyes. The d-line too, apparently.

I don't know which is worse.

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The more I hear from Maas, the more I think that guy is a complete ****ing moron.

Im sick of seeing matt cassel laying our recievers out to die every game.

He almost ago bowe and jamaal killed today.

D for sure.

I guess we didn't whiff as bad as we did on the Cassel fumble but O'Callaghan looks so stiff out there. Richardson has done fine in the run game but he's good for one or two total whiffs a game.

That's absolutely not true. I rewatched that play 5 or 6 times.

There were four down lineman and 5 OL. Williams was being double teamed by Lilja and Wiegmann. Albert and the LG took on their men. Richardson blocked his man 1 on 1.

The outside backer came free because of the double team, which means that either Wiegmann made the incorrect line call (the double team) or Cassel missed the blitzer and the resultant hot read.

That was not Richardson's fault. One OL can't block two guys, and you always take the inner most guy when presented with an "option" because he has a more direct route to the QB.

I was shocked how bad our Run D was today. Worst ive seen all year.

HOLY ****

AND THEY BLAMED POOR BARRY RICHARDSON?

Mother**** you, Cassel.

Load of shit.

O'Failaghan was his usual lead footed self.

Pretty much summarizes the game I saw.

It took you this long to realize the team was overrated? Houston exposed the defense and last week was proof of what this team really is.

Indeed.

I had hoped it wouldn't be the Denver game, but oh well, what the hell...

I knew--and I think we all knew it--this game was coming. It was just a matter of time.

We're not ready yet. Matt Cassell has to go. I hope this is the breaking point when the season is dissected in January.

Exactly. I said this in another thread and it got bottom paged so I'll post it here again.

I think everybody got a little win drunk because of the way the season started. I think we have a very young rookie team with a lot of talent, and also some seasoned vets to show the guys whats what. We all got caught up in the winning so it hurts this much to lose, especially when the odds of us making the playoffs were released at 98%. We are in rebuilding mode and we are on the right path to being a good football team. All we can do is go back and fix our mistakes and learn from them. Nothing more can be done. Our coaching staff ( although, confusing sometimes ) know what they are doing, and have all been to the big dance. We are a rebuilding team and we should be happy with anything better than 2-14, 4-12 seasons. We've already gotten 5 wins. We're rebuilding, be patient. I know all of you have been holding out for a winning season but it isn't an overnight thing.

If ever there was a time to gif it up, this is it.

I'd really like to see this play again. Also the on-side kick debacle. I'm still not quite sure what we did wrong on that deal.

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So are we headed for 7-9 or 9-7?

All in good time.

This loss, and Cassel's bleeding corpse, must be dissected to reveal the true horror.

I'm feeling 2009, hermesque levels of hate right now.

I think I can legitimately say I hate Cassel almost as much as I came to hate Herm.

Weren't you one of the people crying last week when I said we were going to lose to Denver when they contained Hali?

If you could afford the brain cells, Hamas (or anybody else willing to afford the brain cells):

Carr, Belcher, T. Jones.

Are these guys just genuinely bad players, or are they decent/good players who have had a bad couple games.

And why, please.

I think 9-7. I think we are young, but we are smart and we can learn from these 4 losses. I think there may be a reason we drafted Team Captains, I know people put a lot in to that term, but they are the guys who were on their team who would get the guys to rally together. I think we can do it. I want to believe we can do it. We gotta go back to being mistake free.

How can Carr be bad when he has no help or a pass rush?

Thomas Jones is headed for brokedick status.

I haven't seen that guy make someone miss or break a tackle all year long.

Don't have issues with Carr or Belcher. Most 3-4 ILBs aren't great in coverage.

He's great at reading his blocking and getting the most out of it, but otherwise he ain't all that.

And I hate it when we run pitch plays with his 4.6 ass.

Just watching the replay I agree with you.

You are crazy. You need to go cool off. He's nowhere near as explosive as Charles, but who is. He has made plenty of people miss this year.

Didnt he have like a 70 yard run in the Bills game?

Well shit, I guess all the players should just pack their shit and go home for the season

Cassel probably just didn't know what the **** was going on, and assumed Richardson missed his assignment, because he's done it before.

And i'd bet anything Haley either assumed the same thing, or Cassel lobbied for his NEW ENGLAND **** BUDDY O'FAILAGHAN.

And he didn't make anyone miss. He just ran straight down the field through a gaping hole.

He's guarding WR2s. Those aren't the guys that demand help.

Here's my opinion:

1. Carr. We have a better CB on the team right now anyway in Arenas. Carr has always been the guy you can beat if you key in on him enough. And every time Carr has faced someone of considerable skill (basically a true WR2 or better) he gets destroyed.

2. Belcher. I'm still holding out faith that this was a solid find and a potential starter. But today he got absolutely abused and made a ton of gap-filling errors. That doesn't erase everything he's done to this point, but it does question whether he's got the head on his shoulders to meet the challenge.

3. TJ is a brokedick.

Carr had very little safety help today. And he got burned alive.

Disagree. The guy gets one on one with a defender and he goes down.

He can make a cut but he doesn't have the ability to embarrass a guy like elite backs do.

I think he's a valuable No 2 back but he's not anything special at this point in his career.

I know you've watched the games, so this doesn't make any sense at all.

Has this loss affected your mind?

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Are you ****ing 10 years old?

Your post reek of naivete.

It was easily his worst game as a Chief. Carr really struggles with guys who can run good routes.

Well, look at the bright side, Hamas. you're not thinking of cauterizing your ass hole shut. or dipping your balls in chum and jumping in the shark tank. ROFL That ****ing post still ****ing makes me piss myself!

Anyway, they cant get much worse after today. ;)

You can't make that sort of judgment until you put Arenas on the island on the outside.

People on this forum are way too hard on Carr. He makes a lot of plays on the ball and last year had a similar stop rate compared to Flowers.

He's not Bartee or even Warfield.

Im 11 wanna fight about it

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Dude, if Thomas Jones had legitimately gotten one on one in the open field with a defender and made him miss, I'd have GIF'D it up.

He's a good running back, he's just not special.

At times, it seems like we've asked Jones to do things he's not capable of. Dude should be moving north-south, not east-west, and too often he's called on to do the latter.

You and your threads are ****ing reeruned.

Belcher didn't have ANY help up the middle. Ron Edwards, after 7 games, was cooked. Toribio wasn't active. Shaun Smith was exhausted. There's no depth on this defensive line.

TJ is FAR from a brokedick.

And right now, in 2010, Carr is a better option than Arenas, but I guess that's difficult for you to understand.

It would just be nice if Carr could get an INT every once in a while as much as everybody throws on him. 25 games started and he just doesn't get INT's

But but but but he threw for 450 yards and 4 TDs. (Couldn't resist)
I'm all for just cutting his ass ala Wade Phillips.

Get well soon McGraw

I think we can all agree that Washington is a waste of a roster spot

Is he Brandon Flowers? No.

But to say that he "struggles'" is a stretch. The Broncos are leading the league in passing yardage. Kyle Orton has been deadly accurate and his receivers are running excellent routes.

The safeties sucked ****ing ass today. Pioli had better get good value from the Page trade because it's more than obvious that he would have been an upgrade today.

1. Carr is a serviceable corner, but not as good as some make him out to be. Arenas has better coverage skills but is too small to match up against some of the bigger #2 WRs.

2. Belcher is fine against the run. I'm not going to read too much into any single game performance. Belcher is a complete liability in coverage. He's a 2 down LB against running teams.

3. I'd rest TJ next week. Give his carries to Battle. See if TJ can get some punch back into his legs down the stretch.

I make it a point anymore to not argue people in irrational insanity mode... I'm not spending the night arguing about specific plays. But just a for instance, go back to that last TD he had in the Houston game. I believe it was the last TD... the one where he started one way, juked, cut it back up the middle for a score from 10-15 yards out. That was a great play. He's not nearly as explosive as Charles, but he's still a weapon, and it's ridiculous to be comparing many people to Charles anyway. We're going to need a guy like Jones if we go to an 18 game schedule next year.

You did. Check the Pollard GIFs.

He's extremely valuable to the Chiefs because Charles isn't a 25 carry guy for 16 games. And Jackie Battle is clearly a third stringer.

TJ was the least of the Chiefs worries today.

That was more Pollard than Jones. He planted and slid.

He does struggle with great route runners. I know the Broncos have a great passing attack, but he was a step late on everything today. I'm not down on him or anything, and generally corners who face great route runners are going to have difficulty.

Do you think Pioli envisioned his starter and McGraw both going down? I don't. That trade was meaningless today. When anyone starts their 3rd string FS, and then has to go to a PS player, it's going to be ugly.

I'm not opposed to trying this.

Our starting safety and his backup were both out.

How long has "mighty mouse2" MCluster been broke so far???

I would hope so.

A rookie and a journeyman don't exactly inspire confidence for a 16 games season.


The trade was hardly meaningless today or any other week. Page was a solid starter and there's no doubt the Chiefs would have been in a better (if not much better) position with Berry, Page, Lewis and McGraw.

Lewis has had health issues several times this season and hopefully, he isn't just one of those players.

And yes, I've said all day long that Washington and Price were a recipe for disaster.

No shit?

Wow, I had no idea.

:rolleyes:

So we should carry a 5 safeties just in case of injury?

Keeping Page on this team wasn't working. He didn't want to be here, the coaching staff didn't want him.

I just don't see the use lamenting over that trade when the team had depth at the position, it just all crumbled at a bad time.

Speaking of wasted 2nd round picks.....

Well you acted like you didn't know we were down to a PS safety starting.

Lewis has been fighting his hamstring injury so hopefully being out the last couple of weeks he can be back this week.

I'm not a Carr fan. He's in decent position most of the time, but he's giving up a lot of catches this year...and a lot of first downs. He's the weak link in the secondary and helps keep the chains moving for the opposing offense.

Why would the Chiefs keep Washington or call up Price from the PS if Page were on the roster?

They ****ed with Page last year. He didn't want to be a Chief any longer but that doesn't mean that Pioli should have given into his demands, especially considering the dearth of talent at the position.

You're better than this. Depth at the position? Huh? Washington, Price and McGraw are depth? Hell, Washington and Price don't even belong on NFL roster.

I love this line of thinking.

Like their careers are ending after this year and there's no room for growth.

You're acting like the Chiefs traded him after they had all these injuries. Page basically forced their hand all of-season by not signing the tender.

Depth at free safety. Lewis and McGraw should be enough. McGraw battled concussions earlier in his career, but he's been a pretty healthy Chief for the most part.

I just don't or have ever really viewed Page as an answer except when he was playing Oakland. The fact that Pioli got much for him is a plus for me, regardless of the outcome of this game.

Page is so awesome he has been inactive for like 4 weeks

This is ****ing stupid.

Are you seriously stating that Page wouldn't have played better today (or last week) than either Washington or Price?

Alright a nickelback in the 2nd round! It's awesome he can get the ball to the 25 isn't it? Maybe someday the 5'8 nickelback will play the outside CB position and prove us all wrong!

What do you think it's still the late 80s in the NFL and all teams don't use mostly 3 receiver sets?

So just so I can follow your dumb ****ing logic, he has to play an outside receiver to have value?

I can't believe Frank of all people would justify drafting a slow nickelback in the 2nd round when this pass rush has easily be the worst in the league the last few seasons.

Stephon Paige would have played better than both of those guys.

Some Corners can actually play inside and out great idea isn't it? And like I stated this team needed a pass rusher. Look at the garbage the Colts play in the secondary it doesn't matter know why? They have a pass rush.

I'm beginning to think there were conditioning issues at Ole Miss because both McCluster and Lewis haven't been able to stay healthy.

JFC, man. Sometimes you get a hold of someone you hate and don't let go. Thomas Jones wasn't the problem today. Jamaal Charles got the majority of the carries today. Jones and Charles are both good at doing different things. But to say that Jones somehow just farted his way into being on pace for a 1,000 yard season is a disservice to him.

Frankly, I don't understand why the Chiefs heavied up on Charles early in this game. I don't care how much people hate it, I think this team is at their best when they rotate their RBs in and out. Any reason why Jones saw so little time today?

I'm saying I'm not writing him off. I think he has talent and upside.

Just because the Chiefs passed on pass rushers for him doesn't mean he's a shit player.

Do they need a pass rusher? Absolutely, but i'm not writing off Arenas like he's not an important piece.

Not sure I follow I don't think either missed time at Ole Miss. Wouldn't it reflect on the Chiefs conditioning?

I'd rather have the draft pick than Page. We have no depth, and Page sure as heck ain't the future.

It's interesting, but I don't think high ankle sprains have much to do with conditioning.

Right. Because Javier Arenas has done such a crappy job as a nickel back and because pass rushers grow on trees at the #50 pick.

We'll just agree to disagree because his speed isn't going to get any better I haven't seen any of this play making ability. After the return Berry had today I'd rather see him return some kicks because that guy is a true playmaker.