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RealSNR 12-01-2010 07:51 PM

Should we be seeing some more Jackie Battle?
 
I've been happy with Thomas Jones sharing the load, but I haven't seen him earn tough yards on short yardage plays the way he was brought to this team to do. At least not since early in the year.

Repeatedly we feed him the ball on toss sweeps that put him back 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage. And repeatedly the play gets snuffed out. Might be bad blocking combined with a predictable play call from Weis. I'd rather we ditch these reeruned plays and have Jones just be an inside the tackles runner/available outlet on passing plays.

As Charles gets more carries because he's the more successful back of the two, that's going to mean greater pressure to be successful on offense when Charles is not in the game. And I don't know what it is, but Jones just looks old and sluggish at times. Much different than he looked at the beginning of the year.

I keep hearing about the promise and splendor that is Jackie Battle. Hell, I saw it in preseason play. I even saw it against Jacksonville. The guy's a player. Time to put him on the field. It can only help out Jones and Charles by giving them some rest. Plus he really IS a different type of runner. Jones is far from a short carry/bruising runner. We'd have a true power back in Battle.

I'm not saying he gets a third of the carries or anything. But put him in the game a few times. Maybe if we've got a lead in the 3rd quarter and have already put together one or two first downs on a drive. Give both Charles and Jones a breather. Put in Jackie for one or two plays. At the very least he's adept at blocking.

Shogun 12-01-2010 07:54 PM

Charles/Jones/Mccluster/Battle/Shaun "THE ****ING FREEZER" Smith

Let them all rush for 1000! TO THE SHIP

kstater 12-01-2010 07:56 PM

Saving him for the playoffs.

Fish 12-01-2010 07:57 PM

I really like Battle. He's a tough runner. Not the fastest or the shiftiest, but he plays hard. I'd love to see him in more.

black angus 12-01-2010 07:59 PM

Shaun Smith has taken his place.

RealSNR 12-01-2010 08:00 PM

I know RBs are meant to be used, but Thomas Jones is ancient for a RB. He's lasted this long because he had a late start to his career. I really like the guy and I just hope he can remain productive for at least another year after this one.

Battle could help prolong his time here in KC.

zonachief 12-01-2010 08:00 PM

didnt TJ have two touchdowns two weeks ago?....wow...tryin saying THAT three times fast.

Fish 12-01-2010 08:03 PM

I don't really think they should bench TJ or anything. He's still got some great runs in him. I'd just like Battle mixed in the bunch. Stats are great and Charles needs more touches and all:D, but the 3 of them give a lot of different looks for a D. Use them all.

Bane 12-01-2010 08:04 PM

Shaun Smith needs more carries.
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Fish 12-01-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane (Post 7216753)
Shaun Smith needs more carries.
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****in A'..... him too....

Hog's Gone Fishin 12-01-2010 08:06 PM

Put Battle in ONLY when we have a substantial lead. TJ is a good back , he doesn't deserve critisizm.

zonachief 12-01-2010 08:07 PM

....Derrick Ross needs more carries????

RealSNR 12-01-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7216749)
I don't really think they should bench TJ or anything. He's still got some great runs in him. I'd just like Battle mixed in the bunch. Stats are great and Charles needs more touches and all:D, but the 3 of them give a lot of different looks for a D. Use them all.

Exactly. A few carries per game is what I'm thinking. No more than 5.

Shogun 12-01-2010 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7216762)
Exactly. A few carries per game is what I'm thinking. No more than 5.

And who knows? Build on that. What if we had another Jamaal Charles sitting at 3rd string and we don't know. Build those 5 carries in to 5 more carries, but no more than 10. Jamaal needs to eat too.

philfree 12-01-2010 08:19 PM

If we get into a grind out the clock situation where we have the game in hand then giving Battle some carries is a good idea to me. We don't need to put any unnecessary ware and tear on Charles and Jones. Keep those guys as fresh as possible.


PhilFree:arrow:

TinyEvel 12-01-2010 09:06 PM

My Cox needs more touches.

RealSNR 12-01-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 7216893)
My Cox needs more touches.

Why aren't we putting Cox in the slot more?

ReynardMuldrake 12-01-2010 09:59 PM

Not while Jones is healthy, but if/when he starts to get old and slow down, start rotating Battle in. Maybe next season.

I like Battle a lot. Great motor and a ton of heart.

milkman 12-01-2010 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane (Post 7216753)
Shaun Smith needs more carries.
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He's got a natural gift for cradling balls.

milkman 12-01-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by warispeace (Post 7216984)
Not while Jones is healthy, but if/when he starts to get old and slow down, start rotating Battle in. Maybe next season.

I like Battle a lot. Great motor and a ton of heart.

Jones is already showing his age and slowing down.

Buehler445 12-01-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7216726)
I really like Battle. He's a tough runner. Not the fastest or the shiftiest, but he plays hard. I'd love to see him in more.

I'm on board. I've been thinking he needed more carries since LJ was here and we sent him to the practice squad. He was better at being LJ than LJ.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7217055)
Jones is already showing his age and slowing down.

I'd agree with this and am on board with SNR that maybe we can squeeze another year out of him if we cut his work some.

FAX 12-01-2010 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7216726)
I really like Battle. He's a tough runner. Not the fastest or the shiftiest, but he plays hard. I'd love to see him in more.

This intelligent, insightful, and informative post accurately reflects my feelings on the matter.

Although Battle (who has one of those awesome football names that only come along once in a blue moon, by the way ... kind of like Shields which was a great name for a pass protector guy) is known for "power" running, he demonstrated some real get-up-and-gone-right-by-your-ass-while-you-watch speed in the pre-season. He's no slouch ... I don't think.

He's the kind of guy, probably, who could give you some very nice performances if he were to receive enough touches to get into the flow/feel of a game.

Good luck with making that happen, though. Charles is, frankly, one in a million. The guy is for real and freaky, scary good. Although ... as I think about it ... it would be nice if we could use him sparingly over the next few weeks (if possible). An injury-free Jamaal Charles with fresh legs would be a dream come true in a playoff game.

FAX

Chief DJBrad 12-02-2010 02:02 AM

Battle Ground
 
He should be getting 5 carries a game.Good special team player and battles for those extra yards and has fresh legs.Would not suprise me to see him used more down the stretch.

Thig Lyfe 12-02-2010 02:17 AM

I think Dex's return will work wonders for the team in terms of touch distribution. Before he was injured, Weis was able to call more plays that involved misdirection and screens (which have been miserable since Dex left). Throw a few carries Battle's way and you'll have a near-perfect balance.

Moeaki needs more looks, too. I feel like Dex's absence has actually affected Moeaki's targets; he got way more action before left, maybe because Dex drew a lot of the underneath coverage.

Give Charles a bulk of the carries, give Jones a few carries per drive, give Dex the ball on end-arounds and screens, and give Battle a few carries per game in short-yardage situations. Go to Moeaki over the middle and keep using Bowe the way they've been using him. And then trade for Thigpen! TO THE SHA!!!!!!!!

TimeForWasp 12-02-2010 02:29 AM

I really like battle and want to see him get carries, but I have the feeling he is the kind of back that needs quite a few carries to be at his best. kinda like the bus. I've said before I'd like to see him on the field doing what Jones does. Then bring jones in for about 10 or 15 carries and let Charles have all the rest. with a sprinkle of mccluster. Alot of mccluster in the passing game.

michaelj_58 12-02-2010 04:36 AM

battle has fumbled a couple time's,maybe that's why they don't use him much.

Earthling 12-02-2010 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7217100)
Although ... as I think about it ... it would be nice if we could use him sparingly over the next few weeks (if possible). An injury-free Jamaal Charles with fresh legs would be a dream come true in a playoff game.

FAX

I would agree, but, I think it will be very hard to have a chance of beating SD and also use Charles sparingly. Thats kinda like a playoff game for us anyway.

ReynardMuldrake 12-02-2010 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7217055)
Jones is already showing his age and slowing down.

He's still putting up good numbers though. Once his production starts falling off more I would not have a problem rotating Battle in there a few more carries a game.

Mr. Laz 12-02-2010 09:49 AM

Tim Castille needs more carries!!

RealSNR 12-02-2010 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelj_58 (Post 7217275)
battle has fumbled a couple time's,maybe that's why they don't use him much.

When?

ReynardMuldrake 12-02-2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7217953)
When?

Hmm, can't find any...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/roster/...f-0f735a09b8d6

CoMoChief 12-02-2010 01:35 PM

Shaun "The deep freezing - ball squeezing" Smith

Red Dawg 12-02-2010 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shogun (Post 7216716)
Charles/Jones/Mccluster/Battle/Shaun "THE ****ING FREEZER" Smith

Let them all rush for 1000! TO THE SHIP

That was the biggest ball he grabbed all year.


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