Ravens Will Reveal Pioli's Progress
 

Ravens Will Reveal Pioli's Progress

The +6 game turnaround from last season and +8 game turnaround from 2 years ago and winning the division doesnt reveal progress?

Havent you heard? They are Frauds....

You cant build a team or rebound from the depths of hell without being Frauds...

Chiefs will win this week......

1. Arrowhead will be rocking!!
2. They finally let JC touch the ball more than a half dozen times and he comes up big.
3. Joe ****o will throw 2 INT's that will be turned into 10 points by the Chiefs.

The Ravens will come in with the same game plan as the Faders did-but after a week of getting trashed by the media-the Chiefs will come out with some heart this week and win it!!

Stick to video.

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Just saying I think we take it to the Ravens on the ground- with JC getting the ball.

Put 1 yard Jones on the bench.

Losing a playoff game to one of the hottest teams in football that are more talented than the Chiefs are because they have built their team through years and years of rock solid personnel decisions does not make the Chiefs fraudulent.

Nobody expected the Chiefs to make the playoffs, let alone compete for a Super Bowl, let alone compete with one of the best teams in the AFC.

Your definition of "fraud" changes to suit your argument. But I'm glad you wrote this, because given your losing streak, I'm actually starting to think that maybe we can win.

Here we go again. Trying to paint a complete picture because of one game.

Stick to making highlight reels. Being mini-Whitlock has ruined any writing ability you had.

The fact that this team won games against bad teams, games that they didn't win in previous years, is progress.

Nothing that happens against the Ravens will do anything to dismiss the fact that they have progressed.

What we'll learn against the Ravens, is what is needed to continue that progression.

Yes.

I'm thinking what we are going to need is another wideout, another linebacker at both inside and outside, and some help on the offensive line, namely right tackle.

WR, OLB, NT, RT, C, ILB.

Stick to the illegal aspect of copywriting of videos....

I think what becomes really interesting is, what positions can we settle for "good enough"? Often times, I think we all get stuck in the mindset that every player should be close to a pro bowl level. But almost every team has some key holes on their team that they play well in spite of.

Outside LB and Nose Tackle are uncompromisable.
I feel like wideout and Right Tackle and Center are positions we need solid starters, but we don't have to worry about "greatness" (though it would be an added bonus).
And I honestly think that if we fix the NT, we'll be fine at ILB (though again, an upgrade is an added bonus).

Drafted in that order?

In terms of need:

OLB, NT, WR, RT, C, ILB

I agree, for the most part, though I think NT is a bigger need than ILB.

These LBs could play with a lot more freedom with a NT that commands attention.

I think that Belcher has a lot of room for growth and improvement, especially in pass coverage, but should he continue to grow, he should be fine.

who knows. maybe the chiefs can prove that the AFC north are frauds.

Sort of what I was thinking. Suddenly we are supposed to be world beaters when just 4 short months ago it was deemed that 8-8 was a successfull season for this team.

There is an old Vegas singer that sings your tune
My petty Fraudline

I'm eager to see if the O-line can bounce back after the Raiders debacle. If Albert gets dominated again...

By the way, calling us a fraud is asinine. It presumes that we are regarded as being a very good football team. We're not. We're an improving team who was well enough coached to beat the bad teams around the league, which is something our division rivals can't claim.

If by chance the Chiefs totally dominate the Ravens will your last statement still be true?

The Chiefs are better now than at any time in the past 4 years. Edwards first year was just a holdover from DV, years 2 and 3 showed his true talent to tear a team down to nothing. If you are going for rebuild that might be a good plan but you have to run it by the upper management if you are going that direction so they know that year 4 should be the turning point, or 5 or 6.

Haley might not be the greatest HC we've ever had, but he is a leader and it seems the team pretty much follow that leadership.

It would be great if the Chiefs have all of the stars lined up and can get to the SB. That's not expected by anyone, but any good things happening after going 10-6 is gravy. We expected nothing after the 0-4 Pre-Season and are in the Playoffs. Gotta love change.

I think it's true in every game, regardless of win or loss.

Year 4, 5, or 6 would have been a turning point for the Chiefs if Carl Peterson didn't get in the way.

Herm Edwards wasn't a good coach, but he was 100% right about the rebuild and it's inaccurate to say he tore the team down to nothing as if that's a bad thing. The Chiefs wouldn't be where they are today if he didn't have the balls to do that.

Like Herm Edwards or not, you have to feel bad for a guy who did the right thing and got canned for doing it.

I'll just be glad when it's Sunday and people finally stop talking about the f***ing Raiders game. :facepalm:

It wasn't that he had the balls to do it, he was inept enough to do it. 4-12 and 2-14 isn't a plan, it's an outright failure. If his teardown was intentional he didn't talk with the front office about it or he wouldn't have been fired.

His intentions were not to take the team down, but as I said he is inept as a head coach, I doubt that he ever gets the chance to prove differently in the NFL again.

The Chiefs aren't where they are today because of Herman, they are there due to the ability of the new staff to get the most out of players. If the current administration had of been there instead of Peterson/Edwards TG would still be playing for the Chiefs and there is a likelihood that they would have already won a SB over the past 4 years. That's just my opinion but when you turn a team around in two years, there is more to it than left over draft picks.

You rehash the same shit every article with absolutely nothing to back up your assertions.

If X happens it means Y. Really?

It was pretty well documented that Herman ****ing Edwards went over Carl's head to Clark Hunt and got him to buy into the idea of rebuilding the roster, and that Clark Hunt gave the final decision to fire or retain Herman ****ing Edwards to Pioli, but he did get him to agree to talk with him before that final decision, which is why Pioli didn't fire him immediately after he took the reins.

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Herm Edwards drafted the single worst team in football in terms of players under 30. Not even close. It's not his fault that Roaf, Green, Shields, Kennison, Dante Hall, Surtain, Knight, Wesley/Woods, Priest were all on the way out of the NFL.

It's been well documented that Herm always wanted to rebuild, but Carl Peterson stubbornly insisted that the team reload. That's why we made genius moves like bringing in Ty Law and Damion McIntosh at a time when we needed youth and we were low on cap space.

And it's been well documented that Herm went over Carl's head and got in Clark Hunt's ear, which is the only reason the Chiefs tore the team apart and focused on rebuilding through youth.

Without Herm, Carl Peterson would have tried to win fans back by reloading the team with more versions of Shawn Barber and Dexter McCleon and we would have been content with our 10-6, 1-and-out playoff losers with no Super Bowl potential. Herm Edwards deserves all the credit in the world for giving Pioli a good base to work with.

WTF?

Winning the division is progress. Massive progress. The Ravens are the 5 seed but should be 3. I guess every game is a measuring stick in a sense, but to say the 2010 Chiefs are frauds if you don't win against what ought to be the 3 seed? When the Ravens have a ton of playoff experience, including playoff-winning experience? When you're coming off like 6 wins over two years combined? That's totally reeruned.

If Ed Reed is healthy all year long and if it doesn't take John Harbaugh/Cam Cameron a million ****ing games to realize that Willis McGahee is garbage and that Ray Rice is a star, they'd be even better, which is tough to imagine for an 11-5 team.

They don't need to win.

They need to prove they belong on the same field.

Making the playoffs is huge, just huge for team development.

The Chiefs are now a more attractive landing spot for free agents, players have bought into the message and you'll see continued improvement based on the people making the football decisions and the coaching.

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In the context of your premise that these Chiefs are frauds, no they don't.

That's an interesting point.

And judging by the look of Arrowhead, I imagine it will help sell the season tickets that will get rabid fans back in the seats. No better advantage for us than to bring Arrowhead back.

I don't usually do this, but.... THIS.

We lost against bad teams over the last three years. Beating bad teams is in itself progress.

Honestly, they don't. 9-7 and out of the playoffs would've been very substantial progress.

You've got a young team with a first time playoff HC, first time playoff starting QB, and god-knows how many never-been-there-'afore players. You've got a handful of imported veterans to say "hey, by the way, the intensity REALLY GOES UP in the playoffs. Be READY!!" But until you live it, you can be down 21-zip and getting hammered before you know it.

The Patriots with many young players and a team that wasn't well in-synch got blown out at home during the playoffs by essentially this same Ravens team.

If you're saying "Frauds in terms of being a real, elite level playoff team" then I guess so, but to essentially argue no progress since 2 win and 4 win teams? It's far too late for that. They proved progress by going 10-6. Soft schedule, but it's the only one they had and they handled it better than the other AFCW teams.

All that said, I expect the Chiefs to get blown out, and I expect them to regress to 8-8 or so next year against a tougher sched but heighten their competitiveness after that, assuming solid drafting etc.

They don't need to prove anything to you or anyone. If they want to show that they have taken a far bigger step forward in 1 year than anyone anywhere imagined, then they have to beat the Ravens.

But if they lose by 100 points on Sunday, they will still have done more than anyone thought would happen this year. They already proved themselves.

This is just stupid.

HOLY SHIT.

What if they beat the Ravens, and then they go to Pittsburgh, and they get their asses handed to them by a team they BEAT last year?

That's not just "not making progress", that's MOVING BACKWARDS!

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I think anyone being honest would have to say that Kansas City is a young, ascending team.

They are maddeningly inconsistent-which is typical with young teams. This doesn't make them a fraud.

I don't expect that we will win Sunday; I hope so, but I think we're not quite there yet. I think we'll be better next year, and probably a real honest to god SB contender in January of '13. I expect we will climb into that rare franchise group that's in the hunt every year, like Pittsburgh, New England, Indianapolis, and Green Bay.

What's with the Jet players not on this show?

Nevermind. He just explained it (apparently for the first time). I guess i don't care.

This, except for the blown out part Sunday.

I expect a heartbreaking loss... followed up with the 8-8 scenario next season. Then look out.

I don't think I agree with your point. Got any links that backs up you assertions? There are people that have posted that HE did a great job drafting, I don't think he did, but there are those that feel that way.

Like you are trying to prove you belong on the same plane as Jason Whitlock?

I think not. The Chiefs have proven all they have to prove, anything more is extra bang for the bucks. They have gone from the basement to the top floor in the division, if you can't be happy with their progress you really need to find another team to write about.

I hear Oakland needs another punching bag for the Tribune.

The Unknown Player You Need to Know This Week

Ron Edwards, NT, Kansas City (No. 91)

The Ravens are going to run it and then try to run it some more, and the Chiefs' run defense has been lousy over the last five weeks (5.0 yards per rush allowed over the last five games).That puts the pressure at the point of attack, right on the Kansas City nose, a 10-year, 315-pound journeyman (five years in Buffalo, five in K.C.) from Texas A&M. If the Chiefs are going to advance, Edwards has to handle his gaps and stop Ray Rice from getting a head of steam.

The game will measure which team between the Ravens and the Chiefs advances to the next round of the 2010 NFL playoffs.

Pioli is not going to be fired by Clark Hunt even if the Chiefs don't beat an overhyped Ravens team in Ray Lewis's last playoff game.

What a dumb idea to try to write an article that tries to convince people into believing something that even the author does not believe.

If Clay isn't getting his sandy vagina pounded on a weekly basis he isn't happy.

Some people are into weird shit.

No one is suggesting Pioli should be fired.

But if he goes 8-8 in year three as Amnorix suggests is possible...wow, he'd really need to hit a home run in the last two years of his contract.

We haven't even gotten into that. Quite frankly I can't believe anyone would think missing the playoffs next season is acceptable. Pioli is the highest paid GM in football.

I'm stoked we get back to the playoffs! Just getting there shows improvement & this gives our young team experience, that can go long ways for our future success regardless of how this game turns out. You can not substitute playoff game experience for any team. Especially on a young team like ours. We made progress to get us in this position. Were not a great team yet, but we are on the upside on getting there. It's next year that we have to continue to make a big leap to the big times.

Getting rid of Carl Peckerlesson & Worm Edwards was the beginning of rebuilding this team. From that point we made progress & now the Ws will start to come as this team develops, we are still a developing team. You can't go from suck to Super Bowl over night, but you can make progress & that's what we have done. 10 & 6 division winners, playoffs > getting top 3 pick in the draft . **** YOU other wise!!!!

Wow, he is so unknown he is sharing a jersey number with Hali. ROFL

During in that 5 game stretch, we held CJ pretty much in check for the entire game. It is possible we could hold Ray Rice in check as well.

I see so if we lose, Pioli and Haley are fail? SO if we win, will you just slither away somewhere and never crawl back out please?

Every ****ign week it is the same garbage.....

How do you regurgitate the same drivel over and over and think it is some kind of pulitzer material?

"If we lose next week , we are frauds"

Herp derp derp

Teh only 2 players that did well in 5 games were KNowshown and Bush.

No other runner broke 4.2ypc or close to 100 yards against KC in that 5 game stretch.

S. Jackson- 3.5ypc
C.Johnson - 4.1
Tolbert- 4.1
Mathews- 4.1

The board deserves it. I may just disappear.

This article is hogwash.

This. Seriously, lol @ the article title. I didn't even read it.

Exactly...

If you can't tell there is progress ALREADY just from looking at this season versus the last 3 seasons...

Then you really aren't paying attention.

This statement is the foundation of this crusade to prove the Chiefs are a fraud, yet from day one no one has been making this claim... this statement has to be supported by someone besides the homers who predict the playoffs every year in order to call them frauds, yet it's not.

Like I said before, if the Chiefs win a couple games, everyone will be calling them the Cinderella team... and how a team could potentially be both a fraud and Cinderella is beyond me.

Did you ever play any level of sports?

It seems unlikely that you have any idea of what it is like to be on a team that is competing against other teams.

In the NFL, everybody is paid to do their job.

Who cares to speculate about next year's record so that one can evaluate the GM?

That is stupid.

The Chiefs are hosting a playoff game that gives them a chance to end their playoff losing streak and they are the conventional wisdom underdogs even though they have as many good players as the Ravens and the Chiefs are in better condition because they have put in the time to get in better shape.

I never saw a team have their tongues hanging out like the Ravens D did against the Texans in that second half. They might be the only team in this year's NFL that is as out of shape, cardiovascularly, as the Herm Edwards Chiefs teams were.

The Chiefs have more speed, more energy, and they have as many or more playmakers as the Ravens, and they are going to have a very loud home crowd.

The Pioli-Haley Chiefs are always going to be in shape, unless injured, and they are always going to have their share of playmakers.

Pioli is going to have the job as long as he wants it.

Claynus is an unbearable basement dwelling idiot.

After reading the OP, I believe I've found the other halfwhit.

This is a stupid ****ing article. Like John the Baptist ringing in Jesus, GoChiefs is greasing the way for Mecca to come strolling in around 3PM on sunday. When a team loses 28 of 30 games and then the next year goes 10-6,wins it division,and hosts a playoff game, it doesn't need to prove anything else to show progress was made, especially when NOBODY expected them to be any better than 8-8 this year. Now if they lose in the first rond NEXT year that would be legit cause for complaint. But anyone who bitches and whines about anything that happens this sunday, after the progress the Chiefs have indeed made this year, has a head full of dog crap.

According to goat cheese if the Chiefs don't win Sunday it's utter failure the progress the Chiefs have made the past 2 yrs. :rolleyes:

I remember the Ravens scoring a TD in the closing seconds of that game instead of taking a knee...That PISSED me off...

GoChiefs needs to focus on his lack of progress getting a woman to actually **** him.

Again with this trip?

****.:shake:

How about doing a little bit of ****ing research. After winning their 1st SB, the Patriots missed the playoffs the following season.

No reason to leave, just stop with the ****ing JW persona.

Nice.

Add in Mike Smith's Atlanta Falcons
Sean Payton's New Orleans Saints

Two coaches who have had terrific success that made the playoffs their first year and missed the second. I realize Haley's in his second year already, but it's not the end of the world if we miss next year. The goal is to continually get better and to make a Super Bowl in the next few years. If they improve significantly next year but aren't quite there yet, it's not even close to the end of the world.

The mere fact that we don't see QB on these lists anymore is more *progress* than anything else that's happened this season.

Its amazing how messed up so much of this fanbase is that it can't even enjoy this.

Based on no first round busts and the incredible 2008 draft, I'd give Herm a solid B. That's assuming he even had that much say in the drafts. No one really knows if the majority of effort was him or Kuharich (2008) or Peterson (previous).

Apples to oranges.

You win a SB you buy years of room to breathe.

I actually think it absolutely needs to be on the list. Glad you brought it up.

The good news is that we don't have to worry about betting the farm for one. The biggest mistake this franchise made was not even trying to develop a QB during the peak of the Trent Green era.

I'd be open to a high pick for a QB. Let him develop. At worst, he's horrible and we move on. At functional, we get a solid backup and a guy who can take over when Cassel's done. At best, we could get an upgrade.

:rolleyes: Of course you would say this.

That literally makes no sense. So it's okay for the best team in football for fall but it's not okay for the 6th best team to fall?

How the **** does that work?