2011 Draft Piorities: Pick Three
 

Poll forthcoming

I'd go with NT, WR, OLB....with OT and C "next." Backup/QOTF would be a late round target.

Pick three/four in the draft, and get the other two in FA.

Thoughts? :shrug:

not real difficult

NT,WR,LB

honorable mention to OT

that said, we can use more talent pretty much everywhere

I will see we don't need a NT as bad as people think. Maybe in the third. I havn't seen stats but our run D looked pretty good all year. We need OLB in the first, WR in FA or the second. And then we need a C/RT. Games are won up front and we have a few positions that can be upgraded to help us out.

I am still not sold on Cassel. The first half of the year he sucked, then he had a few games where he actually stepped up in the pocket and threw the ball, then the past few weeks hes but awful. Not like the first 8 games, like he is confident in what he is doing, but isn't doing it right.

Our biggest need is an OLB in my opinion, Vrable is done, too slow.

Damn, screwed up my own vote....meant to pick NT over OT. OT, as Laz says would be 4th.

NT, C and WR. The Chiefs are soft in the middle of both lines.

Everything up the middle; C, NT, ILB

Get a proven WR in FA.

Yeah, C needs addressed soon. If not in FA, maybe in the 4th-6th round....depending on value available.

I am going to write an unnecessarily wordy sentence to show the rest of the CP community that I agree with this post, since we will almost assuredly not be selecting a QB, early in the draft, anytime soon.

I could settle for this. :toast:

This looks to be one of the deepest WR drafts in years. Why would we look to FA to fill the spot?

This post is in line with my thinking as well.

I understand your point....but WR are among those whose NFL success is hardest to predict.

Depending on which WRs drop to our pick in round 1, it could very easily be that the best choice at this point will be a center, and this would be absolutely fine.

Improve this position and our line will look MUCH better.

NT, WR, C.
I would take these two in 1-2 and wouldn't complain.
1) Von Miller
2)Jerrel powe

I think if Powe is there in the second it's a no brainer.

I can agree with that, but then we better address C and NT in the next two-three rounds...and hope an OLB falls to us later.

Probably in a different order (WR, NT, C) but I agree with these three choices as being the most important to target in this off season.

Or simply, THIS!

Unless we get incredibly lucky, it's going to be very difficult for us to get starting-caliber players at all of these positions in the draft (C, WR, NT, OLB).

I think it's a certainty that we could get the first, and we should be able to accomplish 1 of the next three. From there, we need Pioli to perform like the highest paid GM in the league.

1) Baldwin/J.Jones
2) Powe
3) I wonder if O'dowd will be there?

We may be able to get Baldwin or Julio Jones in the first, and maybe Powe in the 2nd.

1. QB

2. NT

3. WR

There will be an immediate starter at WR available in the first or second where we pick and likely an immediate starter at C in the first or second. (I'm not convinced that we need an immediate starter at C, though.)

I haven't looked closely enough to see what NT would be available in the first, but if there is a potential starter available, you have to look there first. There simply aren't enough NTs to go around.

No stud OLB will fall to us past the 3rd round that can be counted on to be an upgrade over what we already have.

We have lots of holes, but only a few can be filled via this year's draft. Hopefully some will be filled in free agency, but the last few offseasons do not give me much hope on that front.

QB just ain't gonna happen...unless you mean late round backup/QBOTF.

As bad as Cassel looked in a couple of games, another WR and better protection would solve much of it. Pioli ain't bailing on him, yet. Another year like this....maybe. But not yet.

While this sounds intriguing, definitely, I believe that C and NT are the two biggest areas of need on this team. In that order, actually.

Remember that DMC was drafted to be a slot WR, and he must develop. Brokaki was also a hell of a first-year player. Great addition. So I think we have some potential here for further growth.

Yeah, if we don't nab one by round three...it would most likely come via FA.

Everything goes out the window if Hali's contract isn't extended.

I wouldn't address it in round 1, but in round 2 I'd start looking at another HB. Either Haley and Weis were complete morons all year in not giving Charles the ball more, or the guy just can't handle the NFL. If the latter, KC needs a consistent HB.

NT
WR
C


But the team really needs help all along the o-line, and at OLB, too. With the Chiefs having been at the bottom of the spending barrel in recent years, this would be a good year to spend some money on decent (and youngish) free agents and really help that offensive line.

Seriously? IMO, the interior of the o-line was porous all year because Wiegman could get dominated at the point. Even when he wasn't tossed on his ass, he was tossed back, collapsing the pocket.

I think we're in desperate need of a C.

Our center is currently playling LG for us, so that's not a priority.

There aren't any viable QB prospects that are going to fall to us in the mid-20s and while I'd be actively looking to upgrade, it's not realistic.

As such, this seems easy: NT, WR and LOLB

I could see swapping WR and NT, but the NT does so much to help us across the board. Someone mentioned the fact that our run defense was solid, but this was only because we sold out with Johnson and Belcher. With a good NT, those guys can do more in coverage to avoid the ass-kickings over the middle.

The NT is the most important position in this defense and we don't have one. That's my target if one falls. However, as this draft appears to be better for WRs and OLBs, I think I'd end up drafting a WR as we're likly to get a better talent at our draft slot there.

Just as long as our first goes to one of those positions, I'm happy.

Middle round RBs seem to transition better than they use to....so if Charles and Jones are both back next year, I'd say that would be the earliest we go that route...unless someone falls in our laps.

Disagree. I'm not putting any faith in a 34-year-old lineman. Could he serve as a stopgap for our stopgap QB next season? Sure, I suppose. But we need actually to fix the problem.

In round 2????? No way on earth I would consider that, HB's can be had deep in the draft, I bet we could get Mikel Leshoure in the 4th if were that desperate.

If by that you mean Asomoah...then we have a hole to fill, soon, where Waters now plays.

You aren't talking about Old Man River Waters are you? I do however agree with you on the NT.

Sure, draft one and keep looking.

At the same time, are you okay using our first on Pouncey if Miller or Jones are on the board?

It's a question of priority - those 3 positions simply have nobody on our roster that can play them with any degree of competency. Waters can play C at a high level for another 2 or 3 seasons. We can keep trying to develop guys, but the question was 'priority'.

I don't see how you can say that getting a developmental C is a bigger priority that getting the NT that our defensive front needs, the WR that our limited QB needs or the LB that will get Mike Vrabel the hell off the field. If you see Studebaker as that guy, more power to you. But if Von Miller's there in the first, I'm not passing on him for Studebaker.

In a perfect world we get our long-term C in the 5th round and smile all the way to the bank, but that's not the question. Those 3 positions absolutely have to be filed. If we can do that, move Waters to C and Asomoah to LG to buy a couple of seasons (and think of how big Waters playing alongside Asomoah would be for his development), that's a no-brainer, IMO.

If there is a NT worthy of the pick, yeah....I'd agree. Anyone know who the NT prospects are...most likely to fall into the late first round? Are they worthy? :shrug:

I haven't done a lot of homework on it yet, but it appears this is a very good draft for WR prospects and not a great one for NTs.

Yeah, I need to do some homework there too....only I was hoping it would wait another week or so. Heh.

I think we need one, but not enough to select one over a NT or WR. We did lead the league in rushing and were one of the best in the league in terms of fewest sacks allowed. It's a need, but "desperate" is a bit of an overstatement IMO.

NT is a more important position, and it's a harder position to fill, as there simply aren't enough human beings in the world who are that size.

If I'm drafting a C in round 1, he cannot be "developmental." He must be day 1/game 1 starter. Not Pouncey, though, as I believe he'll be a guard.

I think that Stefen Wisniewski will end up going in the first, and this might be a wise choice.

Powe in round 2, perhaps? And I'd be happy. I'm of the mindset that we must get stronger up the middle on both sides of the ball. This should be priority #1. As I addressed in my previous post, some options in the passing game should continue to improve.

So NT/LOLB in round 1, C in round 2 and WR in FA?

I wouldn't hate that, but I'd prefer just go with the best O-lineman available in R2. In my eyes, RT is an even more glaring weakness than C.

I just see a high draft being spent on a C being more of a luxury item than anything. Kinda like spending the 34th overall on a scat-back kick returner (okay, low blow...sorry).

I'm surprised OLB isn't getting more votes...Vrabel has been a stand-up guy but is, hopefully, done. And I don't want to depend on Studebaker being the answer there. Assuming we can keep Hali, we still need to add one or two OLBs. Next to NT, it's the most important position in that front seven.

You asked for my opinion on the top 3 priorities. Right?

I know Pioli won't sack up and try to find the next Brady, not the next Brad Johnson, but that's what I'd do, and what I'd like them to do.

Yeah, I'd be cool with that, too. The one thing is that most Chiefs fans are in relative agreement about the biggest needs facing this team. We're arguing more nuanced points about when and where to address them.

Certainly, Pioli is aware of all of this and has the situation in hand, right? But...we've had these exact same holes since '09, so a bit of skepticism is needed.

(and we still need a QB, but I digress.)

I think there will be a WR available in the third round who would normally be a mid-second round player. There are just that many good ones in this draft.

About.com has these NT's coming out:
1) Nick Fairley (no thank you,he's a piece of trash IMO)
2) Phil Taylor (Baylor)
3) Jarvis Jenkins (clemson)
4) Stephen Paea (Oregon State)
5) Jerrell Powe (Ole Miss)
6) Marvin Austin (NC)
7) Sione Fua (Stanford)

Fair enough. I'm just trying to be realistic, I guess.

I'll probably get shit on for this.....but I'd look at Lee Evans in FA this year. The Bills are going to let him go and he'd be a damn good deep threat opposite of Bowe.

There is also a kid from Hampton.

Bump NT up, WR up and add any of ILB/OLB/OL to the 3rd spot for true realism. They're very interchangeabe, IMO. They seem to vary from week to week. Probably OL overall, and interior first.

I WIN I WIN!


i correctly picked the top three choices! that means i know whats best for this team.


I expect to be given the "bestest and smartiest chiefs planet poster" award by the end of today.

I'd be all over Fairley. I like a NT with a mean streak.

whos gonna throw him the deep ball? har.har.har.

To bad he's going to be a top 10 pick.

I agree, but I'd be all over him if he slips.

I'm pretty sure we needed a NT, a WR and an OLB in the 2nd round of last season's draft when Cody, Benn and Washington were there to fit those needs perfectly.

AND YET!

But hey, thank God we filled those nickle corner, kick returner and team mascot roles nicely. And at least we got made our NFL mandated quote of former team captains (that's a rule, right?).

I'll be honest - I have no faith at all in Pioli actually addressing the needs listed above. They're the same needs he ignored in the last draft.

Several of us picked WR, NT, and OLB (if you overlook my mis-vote.) You'll have to share. :harumph:

I hear you, dude, which is exactly why it will be frivolous to get too caught up in the draft talk again this off-season.

I'm going to talk about it a lot, don't get me wrong, but I'm going to try to approach the whole thing with a greater sense of emotional detachment.

I like Evans.

The problem is that he's less of a 'deep threat' than he is a 'go route threat'.

Evans doesn't run deep routes, per se. He runs go routes. Cassel can't really hit one of those for shit. As such, a 'go threat' doesn't do us much good.

What I'd like to find is someone like Julio Jones that has the speed to stretch the field but will also run deep crossing routes or seam routes. Evans doesn't really do that. To steal from the Eagles, Evans is like DeSean Jackson whereas Jones would be more like a Jeremy Maclin.

Yeah, all these "I wouldn't take Fairley" folks are a little out to lunch, IMO.

What Fairley did in that GA game was borderline a couple of times, unlucky once and flat out dirty once. Y'know what? That's a ratio I can live with.

Fairly is going to be a damn monster, but he's not going to be there when we pick.

well ok.... but i'm only sharing the "bestiest" part of the award....

The only problem with taking a NT (I picked that as one of the 3 priorities) is the development curve at the position. If this team takes a NT high, and he takes Raji's development arc, for example, he won't really be ready until sometime in year 2.

Imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth around here if that were to happen.

NT, WR, DE

When has evans done anything consistently?

For awhile he was overrated... now he's not even rated...



go young... or go breaston if they actually don't resign him..

fua video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St0Zyeh43ow

OG, ILB, NT. Hope we fill some needs and get an OC, without having to give away too many picks.

Not really, man. The same people whom you probably believe to be the most reactional on this site are the same ones who consistently defended Dorsey and argued for patience. Why? Because unlike a player like Jackson, Dorsey had the resume out of college to warrant belief in his upside.

There are some echoes here to the QB discussion from yesterday. Past history of individual players matters.

Dude.....I don't expect any player from the Bills to be consistent on that team. Ownership sucks. Coaching sucks.

Evans was never consistent because he was usually getting double covered because he was their only threat for the longest time. I'm not saying that he's a #1 WR.....but he couldn't hurt to bring in. It's not like our WR core is ****ing exceptional.

I love Paea to death but there is no way that he is a NT. He's a pass rushing 4-3 DT.

I wouldn't mind Fua.

Yeeup.

Jackson - I shit on immediately because he was terrible from the jump. Ditto Cassel and McCluster. I really don't feel like I've mis-fired on any of that nor am I worried that I will.

Dorsey, DJ and Carr, I've defended them almost their entire careers because you frequently saw flashes that we knew they just had to develop.

The folks that are often quick to disparage the critical as "impatient" are usually the same folks that just assume anyone being critical is doing so as part of a wholesale hatred of the organization. That's just not the case. I'm patient with a lot of guys and lose hope quickly on others. If we bring in a NT that shows promise (i.e. Raji), I would gladly give him time to develop and I'm sure most of the other 'reactionaries' would do the same.

I picked WR, NT and OLB. But it's more about another pass rusher - whatever position that comes from.

Kenrick Ellis.

Dude looks way small for a under / 2 tech..do not want fua.

Painting with a broad brush is easier because it requires almost no critical thinking.

Be happy! Trust! You're not a GM! Franchise QBs don't grow on trees! Oh, like you could do better?!!

My top 2 priorities in the unrestricted (won't even go restricted, as that requires draft pick compensation) FA market would be...

Santana Moss WR Redskins
Aubrayo Franklin NT 49ers

Then in the draft I would work on the O-line and the LB's.

Maybe something like this for now...

1st Pouncey C Florida
2nd Barksdale OT LSU
3rd Thomas RB KSU
4th Moch OLB Nevada
5th Harvey ILB Marshall

The "I thought he sucked from the get-go" is a poor excuse for not giving players the usual development time, and Raji only made one start as a rookie. But the howls of internet posters should not be a deterrent for Pioli. If there's a top NT prospect, he should definitely think very seriously about taking that player.

1 BPA
2 BPA
3-5 OL
6-7 dont really care...

personally, i think he'd much of an upgrade over the crap we currently have on our team.


I won't be pissed if we get him, but i won't expect big plays outta him.

i think this NT draft talk is dumb. Get a OLB and have lewis step up & 2/3rds of the middle gets fixed.

It's not an excuse if it's accurate.

It's not hard to see when players simply lack the ability to excel at this level. When watching Jackson, I will concede that I absolutely see an NFL player there. He's a big guy with legitimate athletic ability. However, he's also a complete idiot and a bit of a loafer.

He's never going to live up to his draft pick. It's just not going to happen. My saying that from the moment the pick was made is hardly unfair gnashing and wailing. It's a statement of belief based on what I've seen. Would you prefer we all just sit around singing Kumbayah until a player's third season?

If the criticism is unreasonable (i.e. Petro's "Barry is a Bust" campaign) call it as such. If the criticism turns out to be inaccurate ("Carr is worthless, cut his ass"), point that out as well.

But if someone calls a spade a spade very early on and this assertion turns out to be accurate, what's unfair about that?