Who likes the Bill Muir promotion and who dont?
 

Just thought it might be easier to keep track with a poll.

...don't see a poll...

Anxiously looking for the True Fan lever...

DUDE!

Poll fail - callout posts require the poll to be public.

You suck at life.

At this point, I have no opinion.

I choose to at least wait to see if the O struggles next season before I start hemorrhaging out my vagina.

Yep. Post another one with the public option, and this thing will die.

What is a true fan?

Make the poll results public.

We're taking down names of these assholes

Anyone that thinks Muir is a good promotion to OC need their head examined

People who support every little move the team makes even if it's a terrible one. Like this move here.


FWIW, I have no problem with Haley calling plays, I have a problem with Muir even having 1% say in the game plan.

Don't like the options, I like the move because it tells us where the team is at, and where it is going. If we fail miserably next year, dump Haley and bring in a coach that can work with an OC. If we come out with a playoff caliber team, keep Haley, Muir, and just keep things moving in this direction. While I hope the last option is true, I believe the first option is more accurate.

Haley is the head coach...

This might be his one shot as NFL head coach...

if he wants to call the plays on his team...I am all for it.

If he sucks, they'll can him...if not...then good hire.

It's Haley's team so I don't mind the promotion...Haley is going to call the plays.

i'm not sure he will have any say. I'm not so sure that Muir is simple a "quality control/paper pusher".

Haley will decide what he wants done and then tell Muir what to do. Haley will call the plays while Muir deals with the offensive line.

bigger question is who is going to coach the QB's not the Oline

imo

Go ahead Deez' you can add a couple options too if ya want. Just keep it simple or it gets too diluted.

Nick siriani is the quality contol coach.
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Why so much speculation, then arguing like its fact? You people dont know shit.

That's ok, man. Actually, avoiding the hindsight finger pointing is probably the best route, upon further consideration.

Not going to vote, going to do a write in. Haley wants his playbook and his plays. The guy is just going to coach them. Haley wants to call plays, and i dont mind that.

Ugh. Not really the vote option I was looking for.

I can't say I'm encouraged by it. But at the same time if Todd wants to run the show, fine. Just get it done. We know he's a great offensive mind.

Better that than him bringing somebody in and they fight all year long over control.

This way it's clear who's running the offense.

Sure, it COULD work out perfectly, but how could anyone honestly like it at face value right now?

Haley will call the plays.... and I'm fine with that. Year 1 the whole f()Cking team sucked and thier was Zero chemistry, so I won't count that against Haley's playcalling.

I am fine with it because it could mean Clark put his foot down. Haley is on his 2nd D coordinator and now shopping for his 3rd O coordinator. Hunt shelled out plenty for Weis and Crennel and that is enough. Haley could probably only afford to hire a first timer or last a last chance option. And I doubt Pioli could guarantee a job beyond 1 year.

End of the rope Todd. Hang yourself if you must but the cash cow has dried up.

LOL

This is ****ing awesome.

I think we found an option 1 voter.

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I can't let my 2 minutes of work go to waste :)

I voted yes. Obviously everything was going to change with Weis leaving. I feel more comfortable knowing that puppet Muir is firmiliar with how this whole thing works, gameplanning and calling the plays and he isnt new with the NFL. He is obviously doing something alright if he has had a job in the NFL for 30+ years. And I trust Haley, I like his rash decisions, all of the 4th down play calls. I like his swag, So I'm gonna roll with it and hope he does his thing and leads up to victory and give Jamaal some more ****ing carries.

I don't necessarily like it, but I'm not ready to get on the ledge with a lot of others. I'm willing to give it a chance.

HaydenWPI said not to go sucking Haley cock after the Chiefs go 11-5 next year, so I thought it best to start now.

Whatever Scott and Todd want is okay by me. They've made great progress so far and I have no reason to doubt them.

I dont like it.

Bill Muir adds nothing new to the team. I am not confident in his ability to scheme. I do however think that Todd Haley will do just fine calling the plays, but we're going to see the angry, pissed at everyone and screaming like a maniac Todd that we saw in 09.

He's going to be spread to thin because he won't be happy with what Muir devises and will probably drastically modify what he puts together every week. Screaming at players will occur and the team will get stressed out and not play comfortably. It's a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.

But hold on a second....

IF, and a BIG IF, the play calling is divided up, it MIGHT not be so bad. If Muir calls the run plays and Haley becomes the PASSING game coordinator like he was in Dallas, it might not be too bad.

In 2009, Haley was a first time head coach with a bunch of guys who weren't quite sold coaching guys who were unfamiliar with his system, unfamiliar with his expectations, etc. etc. etc.

People are being a bit naive if they think Todd Haley is going to be the same guy in 2011 as he was in 2009.

it doesn't really matter which 205 year old Haley hires to wipe his ass...


this all rests on Haley

I am quoting this post to indicate my agreement with its contents.

You know, now that I think about it....

If Muir is devising the running game every week and Haley is scheming the passing game...maybe it wont be a disaster. Lets see if they bring in a QB coach. My worry is that Haley may be too abrasive to get through to Cassel.

He is 70yo. other than that.....

I'm not going to go homeristic over the hire. I still am going to be optimistic with the direction we are headed, provided we have a good draft and guys step up huge for us that we drafted the last few years.

I'm sure we will be in the same situation next year with hireing another OC so he is a filller for the next guy imo. Haley is going to be calling the shots.

I would think a HC would be making most of the game planning and let the OC have at it on game day play calling. That would make most since to me.

WTF?!?!? If Muir is compitant fine, but mid season and he has a heart attack or just keels over dead from being OLD then again we will be looking for a new OC.

and I don't see the problem with that

this is his team, this is his shot...he may never get another

I have no problem with a head coach calling the shots...that's why he's paid.

Referencing his 2009 is stupid if you ask me...we're a different team with different personnel with guys who know what to expect.

I agree with these. If Haley wants to call the plays, I'm OK with it. I think it's great that he's going to have someone focused on O-coordination and gameplanning throughout the week so he can attend to head coaching matters (unlike his first season here), but on gameday I'm fine with him calling the plays. And I also like the fact that a Muir hire means relative consistency going forward for the guys who have been in the system for the past couple of years.

This poll outcome would be no different if Todd Haley hired badgirl as the OC.

It's progress that we have a season where people aren't wishing the OC would keel over and die.

If you met Bill Muir in person and didn't know he was the OC, you would never guess he was the OC.

The third option shows that people aren't entirely plugged into the situation because Muir is coaching the line. There's no such thing as "not sure" in this situation.

And, again, no one gives a shit about Haley calling plays, at least not in isolation. The problem is that a HC is supposed to manage the game on Sundays, first and foremost, and Haley was a ****ing disaster at this in '09.

Well, IMO we've been down this road w/ Solari....and he ended up becoming the next Greg Robinson of asst coach bashing.

I see this as Haley's "yes sir" hire to be completely honest. Haley can't and won't keep his fingers off of the playcalling (don't know if that's a good or bad thing).

I don't like the hire(promotion) one bit.....but I'm willing to see what happens. I wish we had a different QB.

I don't necessarily mind that Haley will be calling the plays and I fully expect(ed) that to be the case.

The problem I have is with the man he hired. He's 69 years old and was a below average offensive line coach AND a below average offensive coordinator.

I'd have rather seen Nick Sirianni or any number of young coaches get the gig, even under the same exact circumstances.

LMAO

Thats pretty much the way I see it. Everyone should have known this is the way Haley wanted it.

He is the HC, but is an OC at heart. He feels he can be HC and OC and succeed.

He deserves the chance to do it his way. Time will tell if he bit off more than he can chew.

I agree with this....

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I hate it.

I hate it bc Muir should have been fired from his OL job. Now we are letting him be the OC.

why should anyone have been fired for anything this year?

IDK if this has been mentioned, but this is the Mike Solari experiment all over again. It wont end well.

The offensive lineman, especially Brendan Albert, have regressed since Muir was hired. Richardson, despite his ideal size and strength, has not progressed as expected. Jon Asamoah, a four year starter and rated the second best lineman in the draft, only started one game.

The receiving corp, outside of Bowe, was fairly awful. Bowe had a career year but it's not like it was "Out of the Blue". He'd been a 1,000 yard receiver with Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen as his QB.

The running backs were misused all year long.

With that in mind, I could have easily seen Haley dismiss Muir, Parmalee and Carthon, yet Muir was promoted.

Nah.

Albert may just be a bust...and Richardson was a 6th round pick for crying out loud.

Asamoah is a rookie playing behind veterans (Waters, Lilja)...nothing wrong with that.

The line was inconsistent, sure...but I don't think anyone deserves to be fired after that season...especially, Dane, when you yourself predicted an 0-6 start to the season.

So yeah.

It has been mentioned, but imo the two situations couldn't be more different.

not a fan of the move though
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and the Solari comparisons are garbage...

Solari was calling the plays, Muir will not.

Quick

Quick

who is the offensive coordinator of the Saints? Packers?

First off, I didn't "predict" it. It was just a flip comment that YOU picked up on. As a matter of fact, I "predicted" 7-9.

Secondly, you're freakin' nuts if you don't think that Albert has regressed and that Richardson "should" be further along. Asamoah was just as efficient and successful starting and playing in place of both Waters and Lilja (as a rookie, to boot), yet he was relegated to back up status.

Further to that, I'd like you to provide examples of how the running backs weren't mishandled and which receivers outside of the enormously talented Dwayne Bowe, made strides this past year.

Albert had a solid rookie year in 2008 playing LT in an offense with which he was unfamiliar (Virginia wasn't a pistol spread).

So what gives? His regression is due to the playbook?

He's a bust.

Hootie and Sac told me so.

Quick

Quick

Who are the QBs for those teams?

the RB ordeal was frustrating in some games...but when it came down to it...when it really mattered...who was getting the carries? Jamaal. Jamaal was our featured player in the PLAYOFF game...Jones barely saw any touches.

I have no problem keeping wear and tear off Charles while he's putting up All-Pro seasons. Thomas Jones was also pretty good for 2/3 of the season...until he totally wore down towards the end.

and who did you expect to be a good receiver other than Bowe? Tucker looked ok for a minute or two and Bowe made HUGE strides this year...so there's that.

But you guys will bitch to bitch...

Seriously...

who's the Saints offensive coordinator?

Packers (who are in the Super Bowl)?

DO IT WITHOUT GOOGLE

This promotion means diddly...Haley is the OC and the HC...the Saints won a Super Bowl with a coach like that, and the Packers are in the Super Bowl this year with a coach like that...

so keep crying over spilled milk

...and?

That's a whole different argument dildo.

perhaps he should just be playing guard...like he did when he excelled in college

besides...he was a liability in pass protection but he was still solid in the run game...

either way...good games and bad games...inconsistent...doesn't mean Muir isn't doing his job for crying out loud

the same people are bitching just to bitch

The Chiefs just won the division and people want coaches to be fired...the same people who predicted this team to have little success this season.

Riiiight.

Pete Carmichael Jr. and Joe Philbin.

What do I win?

(swear I didn't cheat)

Quick TMD, tell me who the OC is for the Jags and Colts. No cheating.

Don't really like it, but we didn't exactly have a lot of options...

Dirk Koetter and Tom Moore

HE'S ON FIRE!!

Just don't ask me some shit like the Bills or the Cardinals. Or the Giants. I don't know that one either

Wrong. Moore isn't the OC anymore..

But the OC for the Colts was the OC in Tampa before Muir.

Fine, who is the OC for the Dolphins? Vikings?

**** just looked it up. Clyde Christenson.

Whatever. I still got Dirk Koetter. I declare victory anyway

Don't know the Dolphins. And the Vikings just hired Musgrave

You haven't yet until you tell me who the OC is for the Lions.

Brian Daboll.

Your guy: Scott Linehan.

fair enough

Vikings just hired Bill Musgrave.

Can we actually make a game out of this?

And yes, you are correct. I admit that as bad as a HC that Linehan was, he is a decent when he has some talent. He made Stanton look like a good QB FFS.

Dane is correct.

I live in NFC North country. I live and breathe this shit. It's all that comes on local sports talk. Do not play games with me. I will eat you.

damn if SNR isn't cheating he knows his coaches...not bad, not bad at all

Who was the O line coach for the Packers in 1978?

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