Pioli's Big Board
 

Pioli's Big Board
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2011 9:02 PM CST

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This is Mocking Dan's Top 100 of his actual Top 200. If the Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli was parsing Dan's list from www.mockingthedraft.com who would we, could we, and should we look at? Lets dissect the best 2011 NFL Draft talent by scheme, then by need, then we will have a good criteria in place for the first three rounds of the Chiefs Draft. We have picks number 21, 55, and 88 around 122, 150, 154, 186, and 218 (ballparkish) as we sit today. So lets go :)



Lets eliminate the 4-3 defensive players and the Power Scheme blockers.

3. Da'Quan Bowers | 6'4, 280 pounds | DE | Clemson *
4. Nick Fairley | 6'5, 298 pounds | DT | Auburn *
10. Cameron Heyward | 6'6, 288 pounds | DE | Ohio State
12. Adrian Clayborn | 6'3, 282 pounds | DE | Iowa
13. Stephen Paea | 6'1, 295 pounds | DT | Oregon State
22. Greg Jones | 5'11, 228 pounds | MLB | Michigan State
24. Jurrell Casey | 6'1, 305 pounds | DT | Southern California *
32. Marvin Austin | 6'3, 305 pounds | DT | North Carolina
35. Von Miller | 6'3, 240 pounds | OLB | Texas A&M
36. Gabe Carimi | 6'7, 315 pounds | OT | Wisconsin
39. Corey Liuget | 6'3, 300 pounds | DT | Illinois *
43. Drake Nevis | 6'2, 285 pounds | DT | LSU
44. Rodney Hudson | 6'2, 283 pounds | G | Florida State
48. Tyron Smith | 6'6, 285 pounds | OT | Southern California *
52. Bruce Carter | 6'3, 230 pounds | OLB | North Carolina
58. Mason Foster | 6'2, 240 pounds | OLB | Washington
64. Quan Sturdivant | 6'2, 235 pounds | MLB | North Carolina
66. Jarvis Jenkins | 6'4, 305 pounds | DT | Clemson
78. Dontay Moch | 6'1, 240 pounds | DE/OLB | Nevada
90. Lee Ziemba | 6'8, 310 pounds | OT | Auburn

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Now let's eliminate those that are probably not falling to Pick # 21

1. A.J. Green | 6'4, 200 pounds | WR | Georgia *
2. Patrick Peterson | 6'1, 222 pounds | CB | LSU *
5. Julio Jones | 6'4, 210 pounds | WR | Alabama *
6. Prince Amukamara | 6'1, 200 pounds | CB | Nebraska
7. Marcell Dareus | 6'3, 304 pounds | DT/DE | Alabama *
14. Cameron Jordan | 6'4, 285 pounds | DE | California - interviewed By Chiefs
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Now let's eliminate those positions we have good depth in or are probably not looking for a 1st-3rd rounder in.

11. Mark Ingram | 5'10, 215 pounds | RB | Alabama *
18. Mikel Leshoure | 6'0, 230 pounds | RB | Illinois *
21. Blaine Gabbert | 6'5, 240 pounds | QB | Missouri *
25. Cam Newton | 6'6, 246 pounds | QB | Auburn *
26. Kyle Rudolph | 6'6, 265 pounds | TE | Notre Dame *
34. Ryan Williams | 5'10, 210 pounds | RB | Virginia Tech **
40. Ryan Mallett | 6'7, 238 pounds | QB | Arkansas *
47. Jake Locker | 6'3, 226 pounds | QB | Washington
61. Tyler Sash | 6'1, 210 pounds | SS | Iowa *
65. DeAndre McDaniel | 6'0, 212 pounds | SS | Clemson
71. Jordan Todman | 5'9, 190 pounds | RB | Connecticut *
95. Ahmad Black | 5'9, 185 pounds | SS | Florida

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Now let's break out what is left by position groups:

NT, 3-4 DE's and Tweener 3-4 OLB's

8. Robert Quinn | 6'5, 265 pounds | DE | North Carolina *
9. Aldon Smith | 6'4, 258 pounds | DE | Missouri **
15. Justin Houston | 6'3, 254 pounds | DE/OLB | Georgia *
23. J.J. Watt | 6'6, 292 pounds | DE/DT | Wisconsin *
29. Allen Bailey | 6'4, 285 pounds | DT/DE | Miami (Fla.)
31. Akeem Ayers | 6'5, 254 pounds | OLB | UCLA *
33. Ryan Kerrigan | 6'4, 255 pounds | OLB | Purdue
37. Muhammad Wilkerson | 6'5, 305 pounds | DT | Temple *
73. Pernell McPhee | 6'4, 285 pounds | DE | Mississippi State
75. Mark Herzlich | 6'4, 248 pounds | OLB | Boston College
77. Phil Taylor | 6'4, 355 pounds | DT | Baylor
80. Sione Fua | 6'2, 307 pounds | DT | Stanford
86. Jeremy Beal | 6'3, 261 pounds | DE | Oklahoma
89. Jerrell Powe | 6'2, 340 pounds | DT | Mississippi
93. Lawrence Guy | 6'5, 300 pounds | DT | Arizona State *
96. Sam Acho | 6'3, 260 pounds | DE | Texas
98. Jabaal Sheard | 6'4, 260 pounds | DE | Pittsburgh
99. Christian Ballard | 6'5, 285 pounds | DT/DE | Iowa - interviewed By Chiefs

Cornerbacks and Free Safeties

16. Brandon Harris | 5'11, 195 pounds | CB | Miami (Fla.) *
30. Jimmy Smith | 6'2, 205 pounds | CB | Colorado
38. Aaron Williams | 6'1, 195 pounds | CB | Texas *
45. Rahim Moore | 6'1, 195 pounds | FS | UCLA *
50. Johnny Patrick | 6'0, 190 pounds | CB | Louisville
51. Quinton Carter | 6'1, 195 pounds | FS | Oklahoma - interviewed By Chiefs
53. Brandon Burton | 6'0, 185 pounds | CB | Utah *
54. Deunta Williams | 6'2, 210 pounds | FS | North Carolina
59. Jaiquawn Jarrett | 6'2, 202 pounds | FS | Temple
67. Ras-I Dowling | 6'2, 200 pounds | CB | Virginia
68. Robert Sands | 6'4, 221 pounds | FS | West Virgnia *
74. Curtis Brown | 6'0, 184 pounds | CB | Texas
79. Davon House | 6'0, 190 pounds | CB | New Mexico State
91. Tejay Johnson | 6'1, 212 pounds | FS | TCU
Eric Haag SS Nebraska - interviewed By Chiefs

Offensive Linemen

17. Mike Pouncey | 6'5, 320 pounds | G/C | Florida
20. Derek Sherrod | 6'6, 300 pounds | OT | Mississippi State
28. Anthony Costanzo | 6'7, 308 pounds | OT | Boston College - interviewed By Chiefs
41. Nate Solder | 6'8, 305 pounds | OT | Colorado
46. Stefen Wisniewski | 6'3, 302 pounds | C | Penn State
63. Kristofer O'Dowd | 6'5, 300 pounds | C | Southern California - interviewed By Chiefs
70. DeMarcus Love | 6'5, 315 pounds | OT | Arkansas
72. Danny Watkins | 6'4, 310 pounds | OT | Baylor - 26 year old rookie offensive lineman
127. Jason Pinkston | 6'4, 305 pounds | OT | Pittsburgh - interviewed By Chiefs
195. Stephen Schilling | 6'5, 304 pounds | G/OT | Michigan - interviewed By Chiefs

Receivers

19. Jonathan Baldwin | 6'5, 220 pounds | WR | Pittsburgh *
27. Torrey Smith | 6'1, 205 pounds | WR | Maryland *
55. Jerrell Jernigan | 5'9, 185 pounds | WR/KR | Troy
56. D.J. Williams | 6'2, 250 pounds | TE | Arkansas
57. Ronald Johnson | 6'0, 190 pounds | WR | Southern California
60. Randall Cobb | 5'11, 190 pounds | WR/ATH | Kentucky *
62. Titus Young | 5'11, 170 pounds | WR | Boise State
76. Luke Stocker | 6'6, 240 pounds | TE | Tennessee - interviewed By Chiefs
82. Leonard Hankerson | 6'3, 215 pounds | WR | Miami (Fla.)
84. Weslye Saunders | 6'5, 280 pounds | TE | South Carolina
92. Niles Paul | 6'1, 220 pounds | WR | Nebraska
94. Greg Little | 6'3, 210 pounds | WR | North Carolina
97. Vincent Brown | 6'0, 195 pounds | WR | San Diego State
### Jock Sanders 5'7 179 WR West Virginia - interviewed By Chiefs
### Dwayne Harris 6'0 205 WR East Carolina - interviewed By Chiefs

Inside Linebackers

42. Nate Irving | 6'1, 235 pounds | MLB | North Carolina State
49. Martez Wilson | 6'4, 250 pounds | MLB | Illinois *
100. Kelvin Sheppard | 6'3, 240 pounds | MLB | LSU

Running backs and Quarterbacks

69. DeMarco Murray | 6'1, 214 pounds | RB | Oklahoma
81. Pat Devlin | 6'4, 220 pounds | QB | Delaware
83. Roy Helu | 6'0, 215 pounds | RB | Nebraska
85. Noel Devine | 5'8, 176 pounds | RB | West Virginia - interviewed By Chiefs
87. Christian Ponder | 6'2, 219 pounds | QB | Florida State
88. Shane Vereen | 5'10, 199 pounds | RB | California *
110. Bilal Powell | 6'0, 215 pounds | RB | Louisville - interviewed By Chiefs

I can mark off players from the Chiefs Big Board that you all deem unworthy of consideration for the top 3 picks :)

Riser and Sinkers from Draftcountdown blogs Scott Wright

Go Chiefs

Justin Houston FTW.

My gut feeling is it's going to be Phil Taylor , because Pioli's philosophy of DL/OL in general.

BPA would be Houston though.

He eliminates Von Miller as not fitting KC's scheme?

The author apparently doesn't have much of a clue.

Wow took the words straight out of my mouth. Von Miller played in a 3-4 at A&M and would be a great fit.

That being said...he certainly belonged in the will likely be picked before #21 column.

76. Luke Stocker | 6'6, 240 pounds | TE | Tennessee - interviewed By Chiefs


uh-oh.

If someone who knows what they are doing put this together, it would be really great.

Then you rank the remaining candidates based on a combination of talent, leadership ability, stats, measurables, the talent they faced in college.... anything I'm leaving out?

You would have a legitimate "Chiefs board" that might resemble the real one.

So, you're expanding your whipering skills to Scott Pioli now?

Stick to what you've already proven your idiocy on.

No need to further prove your idiocy.

Pretty much right where i stopped reading.

Von Miller doesn't fit our scheme because the NE 3-4 typically employs bigger OLB. I doubt the Chiefs pick him. He's 243 lbs.

238 at the Senior Bowl

eh, it's a smart way to look at the players even if he's wrong about Miller...


but we really have no clue who they'll draft...a CB or RB in the first 3 rounds could happen

MP FTW

Most everything I've seen and read indicate that he'll be a guard, which we don't need.

I like Jon Asomoah, and I like what Ryan Lilja brings to the table in terms of mobility.

I think Asomoah can bring some of that same mobility, and he can get stronger, to be a more effective guard in the power run game in short yardage situations than we have at this point, but Lija is maxed out in that.

I wouldn't use a first round pick on a guard, but we can certainly improve.

I know it won't happen but......

11. Mark Ingram | 5'10, 215 pounds | RB | Alabama *
18. Mikel Leshoure | 6'0, 230 pounds | RB | Illinois *
21. Blaine Gabbert | 6'5, 240 pounds | QB | Missouri *
25. Cam Newton | 6'6, 246 pounds | QB | Auburn *
26. Kyle Rudolph | 6'6, 265 pounds | TE | Notre Dame *
34. Ryan Williams | 5'10, 210 pounds | RB | Virginia Tech **
40. Ryan Mallett | 6'7, 238 pounds | QB | Arkansas *
47. Jake Locker | 6'3, 226 pounds | QB | Washington
61. Tyler Sash | 6'1, 210 pounds | SS | Iowa *
65. DeAndre McDaniel | 6'0, 212 pounds | SS | Clemson
71. Jordan Todman | 5'9, 190 pounds | RB | Connecticut *
95. Ahmad Black | 5'9, 185 pounds | SS | Florida

The thought of these four being eliminated makes me angry.....We need a backup QB so what's wrong with drafting a backup that could be a franchise even if you already have your franchise guy? Someone pointed it out on another thread, but Favre/Rogers situation sounds good to me. Even if Cassel isn't Favre.

We don't need? It's not a 1st round need but a guard is most certainly a need.

If there's value late in the draft (5-7), I'm on board. Value and need should suggest we go other directions early, IMO.

Why? We've got Waters coming off a Pro-Bowl, Lilja is a very effective guy, Asamoah looks promising and Albert should be a great guard when he's given the chance this next season.

Four quality guys for two positions? I don't see that as a so much of a need.

You know what's really odd about this list? That the only first round potential guys that were theoretically interviewed by the Chiefs at the Senior Bowl were two offensive linemen (Costanzo and Watkins) and a potential defensive end (Jordan). And then the second round guys were also offensive linemen and another defensive end. (O'Dowd, Pinkston and Ballard.)

It's to the trenches boys! You win the game in the trenches.

However, I was excited about the fact that they also spoke to Devine and Jock Sanders. We are going to be like a swarm of angry bees on the field with a bunch of 5'7" scat backs all over the place. Did anyone hear if they spoke with Jacquizz Rogers as well? *crosses fingers*

Lilja and Waters got bitchslapped as much as anyone on the line this year, Sac.

That post had nothing to do with the Chiefs, he's just a legend.

Hmmm...so we've got two unproven, but potentially talented guards in Albert and Asamoah and two other guys who have large and numerous cubic zirconia indentations on their cheeks...

You know, I thought that Asamoah played left tackle better than anyone else when he stepped in for Albert this past season. Maybe we should just have those two switch positions. Asamoah can start at left tackle and Albert can be the rotational backup player on the line taking unrestricted free agent Seamus O'Murphy's role. Then we can draft a right tackle, center and a guard.

The line would look like:

LT: Asamoah
LG: Lilja
C: Draftee
RG: Draftee
RT: Draftee

Our draft would be something like:

1. Gabe Carimi, OT; Wisconsin
2. Rod Hudson, OG; Florida State
3. Austin Pettis, WR; Boise State
4. Zane Taylor, C; Utah
5. Ian Williams, NT; Notre Dame
5. Tom Keiser, OLB; Stanford
6. Scott Tolzien, QB; Wisconsin
7. Robert Hughes, FB; Notre Dame

Shit...this started out being facetious, but that's actually a pretty nice draft for the Chiefs. Really nice. Nope. Not a single complaint if that's how the draft ended up for reals.

Jesus Christ Sac. Die.

Albert is a terrible run blocker/Sac
He'll be a great G/Sac

Those don't seem to line up in my mind....

It's why I have him as the rotational backup now versus starting on the line.

Asamoah never played left tackle this year.

You are talking out your ass.

I thought when Albert went out that Richardson played LT...

Yep, and it was a disaster.

He may be thinking about the big unit. Three tackles.
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LMAO

Gabe Carimi is a bad ass

And this ****ing idiot has the balls to talk about the line, like he's even watching.

Oh, sure, you remember the game. Albert went down with some form of suckitis, and Asamoah was inserted at the LT spot. It might have only been a couple of series, but he looked solid out there. I remember commenting on how nice it was to have competent left tackle play for a change. Got up out of the blocks nice, got his hands extended and into his guy, moved his feet well. I thought it was one of the season's real highlights.

ROFL

I've never seen such an obsession with a late round prospect (Zane Taylor) in my entire life.

I don't know if I would go that far.

Epic battles the last couple of years over some fifth to seventh rounders
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Yep. Boss Chief and Ricky Stanzi was about as good as it got I thought.

Nope.

my 2 cents is Pioli will try to take the best player available regardless of position.. whether its a need or not...

we have Zero quality depth at most positions, which I believe he regards as a need as much as any particular position

No. Which game was it, precisely?

I was just as high on Matt Tennant last year. Probably even higher. I felt Tennant would be absolutely perfect for the zone system Haley runs.

However, I do think Taylor is going to end up a solid pro.

ROFL

That one game, where we didn't have anyone to play the spare tackle (O'Murphy was also out with perhaps the same suckitis ailment) and Asamoah played a couple of series at LT. I think Albert lost his jock on one play from getting juked out of it by some marginal defensive end and had to go to the locker room and put a new one on.

Actually, I can't remember who they were playing, but it was earlier in the season versus later.

Yep, the great Jamon Meredith ring a bell? How dare Pioli pass on such a talent ROFL



Green Bay Packers Meredith was selected in the fifth round, No. 162 overall, by the Green Bay Packers.

Meredith was released on September 5, 2009 and re-signed to the team's practice squad.

Buffalo Bills Meredith was signed off the Green Bay Packers' practice squad by the Buffalo Bills on September 22, 2009 after offensive tackle Brad Butler suffered a season-ending injury.[5]

He was waived on October 4, 2010.

Detroit Lions He was claimed by the Detroit Lions on October 5, 2010. He was waived on October 17.

New York Giants On October 18, 2010, the New York Giants claimed Meredith off waivers.[6]

it was waters who moved to left tackle and asamoah came in and played guard.... and dwight freeney is a little better than marginal

This makes more sense. I've seen them do this before.

holy shit
ROFL

you remember with great accuracy and detail how well he played at LT


but you also have absolutely no idea who he was playing against


is what you're saying?

Asamoah isn't number 54 you douche.

We have had three people line up at LT. Albert, Richardson, and Waters. Asomoah did get some snaps when you are thinking of, just not at the position you are thinking of. So I have a hard time believing you were really paying any attention to the line, or that you know anything about an offensive line.

I bet Saccoignorance saw Asamoah playing tight end and thought he was at left tackle....

Wait... Asamoah plays TE? Now I'm really confused

He doesn't play TE, but he has lined up there as an extra blocker.

I already said this.look up a couple of posts
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Hmmmm...I don't know. I was pretty sure it was Asamoah out there. It might have just been a case where they snapped the ball and Waters was still stuck in a three point stance as the play commenced and Asamoah basically ended up playing the left tackle position by default.

LMAO

jake oconnell
wanna make a bet he goes before the third round is over?
HE WAS SEALING THE EDGE!!!!
LOL

Sac has been weighed, measured and found wanting.....

....a left tackle.

LMAO

Holy shit!

You're actually going to try to sell that.

LMAO

I think he could crack the 3rd round. There are a bunch of QBs in this draft who would normally fall in the 3rd-5th rounds, but do to the plethora of mediocre talent in this draft, they'll creep into the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Stanzi is a guy with tools and experience, so I figure he'll be at the top of those lists to get snatched up early.

ROFL

That was awesome when they put Asomoah in at fullback and let him carry it in for the TD!

I was more impressed with the pick 6 Asomoah got in the Titans game right before the half. That iced the game right there.

What about that field goal he kicked it OT to beat the Bills!

Kordell "Slash" Asomoah?

Pretty much the most versatile player in the past ten years.

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Why do you think that's funny?

Colin Brown, Pioli's 5th round pick isn't on the team anymore, either.

I've done some research on the shit Sac was pulling out of his ass about Asamoah....

And after further review, Asamoah played zero snaps at LT, BUT he played 12 snaps as the TIGHT END on the LEFT side in our power running formation, also known as "Tackle Over" formation.

I think he is being looked at what they had him play at senior bowl which is 4-3 weak side. Some "experts" say he is too small for OLB in a 3-4.

How many of those heavy formation plays were pass plays?

Probably 1 or 2 by the goal line would be my guess.

Just confirming this instance of sacc dumbassery to the fullest extent possible. :p

I believe it was 1. He wasn't even in on the reverse pass against the 49ers to Bowe. They had Richardson playing TE in that one.

guys,, im still not seeing phil taylor as being the type of character Pioli will go after... i would like him in our 3-4, but he's still not one of the "right 53". i still see us picking a olb; such as justin houston, akeem ayers. a wr; such as torrey smith. or a lineman in the first...

we could easily pick up a proven nt in FA once the cba is agreed upon..

So what exactly is this character concern you speak of? Getting in a fight at Penn State? Hardly something to worry about. Shaun Smith jacked Brady Quinn. Pioli didn't care about that did he? Some of you guys take this "right 53" stuff too far....

NT's are kind of an exception to most of our teams views.

We need a WR, OL, OLB. We should take the best value at those positions in the first 2 rounds.

Nose Tackles need to be nasty.

I would be almost willing to bet some serious money on the fact that this regime will give Studebaker his chance at the starting LOLB role next year before making any decision to invest anything significant into the position.

They have invested 2 years into the kid under the wing of Vrabel as well as recently re-signing him to a multiyear contract and I dont think for a second they would make a statement this soon of "we arent happy with Andy to the point that we are gonna invest a premium pick into his specific position.

I still think he can be a pretty damn good player in this defense and that in the limited times he was able to get on the field in a bigger role, the defense looked better for it.

Time will tell, as always.

...

I also wonder what kind of progress Sheffield has made toward recovery and if he will be able to contribute anything significant in the future. He looked like a possible stud in the senior bowl last year and I thought he had a legit chance at being a player, too.

Spending a first or second rounder on a player suited to play LOLB would be a sign that they dont feel either can be the guy we lean on in the coming years to man the position and I dont see that being the case at this point, maybe Im wrong.

All valid points.

However, if we arent looking at OLB early on then I hate to think of what will happen if/when the Chiefs draft a LT and allow Asamoah to move back inside.

I really dont see many options outside of OLB, in the first, that wouldn't be an absolute stretch, assuming we can't trade down. Justin Houston is the closest thing to making sense. The WR's likely available arent worth the pick but if I had to choose between Baldwin/Smith I'd take Smith. There are no C's even remotely close to worthy. And don't get me started on T.

Maybe Pioli hops the fense and sprints home out of left field with a ???? pick.