Intruder calls 911, afraid homeowner may have gun
 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/08/...ex.html?hpt=T2



This time it was the intruder who called 911.

A man who broke into a house in Portland, Oregon, called police -- afraid the homeowner may have a gun.

The suspect, Timothy James Chapek, was in the bathroom taking a shower when the homeowner returned to the house Monday night, Portland police said in a statement.

Accompanied by two German shepherds, the homeowner asked Chapek what he was doing in the house.

Chapek locked himself in the bathroom and made an emergency call, police said. He said he had broken into the house, the owner had come home, and that he was concerned the owner might have a gun.

The homeowner also called the police to report that he had found a man in the house.

Police with dogs took Chapek, 24, into custody "without incident," they said. He was booked for criminal trespass.

They did not say if the homeowner did in fact have a gun.

Nice ROFL

dude that guy a loser. The homeowner should of showed him if he had a gun.

Ah, Portlandia.

They should have tazed him for being such a dumbass bitch.

if it were me, he wouldn't have had the chance to call 911.

Shoulda burned the house down.

shoulda flushed all the toilets and scalded his ass in the shower.

I'd have gotten my axe and chopped through the door and did my best Jack Nicholson impression... Heerrrrrre's Johnny! By the time the cops got there, that punk would be crying like a baby.

youd just shoot a mother****er for bein in your home? Helluva thing to kill a man.

dude just wanted to clean up man
seriuosly i dont think he'd have time to call 911 in my house, my dauschaund woulda knawed him in half !

yep.
Granted my statement was sort of a blanet one, considering we don't know all the details of that particular situation etc. But, by in large,I'm not going to negotiate with a peson that's in my house.
I have no idea what their intentions are (theft, rape, murder etc), and I'm not going to let my guard down.

My luck, I'd call the cops on him and he'd pull out a gun and pop me instead.

It's really sad how many people actually would like to kill a man in cold blood. I mean there are many times where I would support that, but just wanting to blow someone's head off for just being in your home without regards to the situation is dumb. That Joe Horn case is one of the saddest cases out there.

maybe he was new to town and just wanted to hang out and get a beer with you. Give him your number after he is cleaned up and have him call you

ROFL what a man, break and shower gets him 3-5

Under those conditions, I likely wouldn't, but I would kick his ass. Now if someone breaks in at night, that's a different story. Boom boom, out go the lights.

yeah, that's where I was going with my statement as well.

my statement was probably a little too generic for the situation etc.

Itchy trigger finger for sure. But youd really have to be ****in up on my place to get culled. Day or night.

I thought you were talking about the ex-Chiefs and Saints WR. I was thinking, "Wow, how did I miss Joe shooting someone? First he screws Willie Roaf's wife, then he blows some dude away."

But I looked it up and now I see what you're referencing. :)

That Quanell X guy is an idiot. I don't see how that Joe Horn case is sad at all, he did the right thing. I don't want to kill anyone in cold blood but if someone is breaking in/intruding on someone elses property they get what they get. You never know what they are going to do.

Simple, you break in my house, you probably won't leave on your own. Im not waiting around to find out what you are doing there. 9mm beats 911 Everytime.

Any of you guys ever been in a situation to possibly shoot a man? The complexity of those situations should boogle your mind. Once you pull that trigger you cant take it back.

no i haven't. And Im not saying i would in every situation. But when it comes to protecting my family and home its a no brainer. People don't break in to say hi.

I did that once.


i got shot.

Lady was standing in my grandmas kitchen onetime. Jumped out of a car and ran to the first house she could find. middle of the night.

Shoulda rigged 4 tons of TNT and blowed the whole damn house to smithereens!! That'd show em!!

That is true, and it is a tough, complex situation, but we should always have a right to protect ourselves, family, ect from intruders. You never know what they are going to do, its a tough situation.

I understand what you're saying. I’m a believer in “better judged by 12 than carried by 6” but MO is talking wisdom here.
Besides, once the guy retreated to the bathroom, locked the door and started pleading for the cops to come save him it’s fairly obvious he’s not much of a threat. In that case you stand guard over the door until the cops arrive and let them handle it from there.

He at least deserved to be pistol whipped.....break into my house and expect pain unless your a little kid. No excuse otherwise. A grown person should expect to be either shot or at least beaten to a pulp for breaking into someone's house.

His first hint that he shouldn't have been there was the fact that he had to break in....after that he's lost all rights in my house.

Agreed~

this. I don't care what circumstances you think justify breaking into someone else's home but there are none. If you have to break in, you will be perceived as a threat. And i will protect my property.

Looks like the dude was getting practice at dropping the soap....

Yes, but what if it wasn't a break in at all? Say it's a drunk idiot thinking your house is his. That's happened to me before back in the day, and I've been told by a neighbor that I did the same thing on a drunken bender. Say it's a handicapped teenager who's lost and doesn't know any better. Lots of situations I can think of where shooting first would ruin somebody or some family's lives.

He sounds pretty dumb, must be a raiders fan.

If you are drunk enough to walk in somebody elses house you need to quit drinking. I've been pretty drunk and never that stupid. Seriously how dumb do you have to be to do that? And for every what if you come up with ill come up with 10 more likely scenarios. Thieves murderers rapists, these are people that break in. I keep my doors locked so your mistaken entry theories are thrown out the window. I don't care how drunk you are, the key didn't work and that should be a sign. its also far more likely they are breaking in to commit a crime. I suppose you think criminals who get attacked by dogs or slip on your stairs have a right to sue? No... You break in to my house and you will wish for a trial by jury.

I agree.

I think most of us agree that if you are awakened by someone breaking into your house, you should get the gun and check it out. But, this was different. Once he found out the guy was in the bathroom shiting himself out of fear, then there is no need to go blasing through the door. Standing guard till the cops get there was a wise decision.

He did the right thing but how often does someone break into someone elses house to just take a shower?

probably not very often. Bottom line is this; if you break into someone elses house, that person is gonna be pumpin some major adrenaline if they find you there, and there is a fair chance you will get shot, beat up, stabbed, etc. If you are a homeowner and someone breaks into your house, you will be pumped up on adrenaline, as will they, and it will be very difficult for you to exercise good judgement, but you should try to or you will end up in court.

Come on MO, you know this is CP where everyone runs 4.4 40 yd dashes, has 9" dicks, and are cold blooded home defending life takers.

Most people won't pull the trigger. They panic and freeze.

I might be misreading some posts but it sounds like a bunch of panzies telling me that i shouldn't act instinctively because it might be some drunk degenerate who couldnt figure out why his key wasn't working.

And i get its not as easy to pull the trigger as im making it sound. But like ive said, in a situation where my or my family's life is in danger i WILL protect them.

Obviously you look for the worst in situations like that. OK then. Blast away. You're reaching pretty far up your ass though with your "criminal's right to sue" comment.... But I suppose it's a byproduct of living in constant fear of thieves, murderers, and rapists...

Wait... was that a knock at the door? Better give em a warning shot just in case....

Usually when I'm really drunk, I laugh and tell jokes. Strangers invite me into their homes.

Once again.. Criminals don't knock. I don't live in constant fear. I understand most people aren't criminals in this world. But most that break in to homes are criminals. If you can't make that distinction you are an idiot.

I think that the reactions are going to vary depending on whether you have small children or not.

For those who don't have small children, I think most of them would say that they would hesitate to shoot an intruder or be a lot more likely to work it out peacefully. But for those who do have small children, many of them might want the intruder to take the children and then leave peacefully.

I'm thinking almost all of you must live completely alone or else there are going to be a lot of dead houseguests let in by other residents.

Or maybe a lot of you are just FOS.

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Yeah.... I'm an idiot for suggesting a somewhat cautious approach.... meanwhile triggerhappy paranoid people continue to accidentally kill others because they can't make the distinction you just described...

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/03/Ta..._he_ente.shtml

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._twisp20m.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...35/detail.html

http://articles.glendalenewspress.co...lendale-police

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/sto...LiMVyBu3w.cspx

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/4993293.html

http://www.click2houston.com/news/24143425/detail.html

http://www.prescottaz.com/main.asp?S...rticleID=82939

http://www.wbrz.com/news/man-improvi...ng-wrong-house

I'm amazed at the amount of people that would be ok with someone breaking into their home. Hell, do you even lock your doors at night....I bet 1% of the time those pesky burglars are just there to take a dump and a shower. Let's invite them to hold hands, sing kumbaya, and start them a savings account.

He was in the guys house using his shower for crying out loud....excuse me if I don't buy the whole gee, I didn't know this wasn't my house....well except my underwear drawer isn't where it's supposed to be, that's not my brand of soap, and hell this toilet doesn't feel right????

How many of you believe had the guy not gotten home and caught him that the poor misguided criminal would have just tidied up his mess and left without stealing anything???

... ya take all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.

I haven’t reread this entire thread but the prevailing opinion I get from it isn’t people saying they wouldn’t use deadly force to protect their families, or that you should but rather that this situation didn’t necessarily warrant the use of deadly force.

Look. Im not paranoid. Im not trigger happy. I have roommates and never drawn on any of them. Im not advocating firing blindly into darkness. What Im saying is i have a right to protect myself. And i will.

Forgive me for not clicking all the links, Im on my phone, and it would take an hour to load all your links. I don't blame anyone for perceiving an intruder as a threat though. Im sure if i had my pc i could find some stats backing up my argument that most people who are shot while in someone else's house are there with criminal intent.

At least half of those links contain a statement similar to "the intruder came at the owner in an aggressive manner" basicly forcing the owner into a "Him or me" situation. Most of those owners had every reason to shoot, even though that would be tough to live with they did not have much of a choice.

You take risks in one direction (waiting to act does entail risk, after all), others will take risks in the other direction. It's not going to always be the 'right' decision either way. Also, some of the links you cited were examples of good shoots.

The way I see it, if you don't want to get shot, don't break into peoples homes. It's really not all the ****ing hard of a concept.

I can sort of see both sides to this one. On one hand people definitely have a right to protect themselves and their families. However, I have an uncle with Alzheimer's and an autistic sister, and I can very easily imagine either of them accidently/unknowingly wandering into the wrong house by mistake. The shoot-first attitude could very easily result in tragedy.

It's just talk. You think you know what you'd do, but you can never truly know what kind of things would go through your head until you live it.

the guy in the article should've taken a shower at Ted Nugent's home.

That Seattle one is terrible. Defending your home is one thing, but killing a guy for mistakenly trying the wrong door at a hotel? Plus the poor guy sat and bled for an hour waiting for the paramedics to arrive. Just tragic.

Hotel is different then your home. Very different. On the other hand its either the intruder or the home owner waiting an hour for help. It can and does take a while for cops to respond to a B&E.

And as for the handicapped and elderly, well my doors are locked so that SHOULD be a sign to even the most confused...

Speak for yourself, PeeWee.

I would be willing to bet that most of the deaths related to the break-ins above are due to the homeowners not having much practice with their weapons. Just sort of a spray and pray approach it appears.

I keep a loaded Glock .40 under my bed (no children) in the case of a break-in. In the case of a break-in, I'd like to think I could handle shooting below the waist, if I felt shooting was necessary. Now if the intruder has a weapon clearly visible, I will be going straight for the chest.

I also keep a loaded (birdshot) 12 ga. Winchester nearby. But that's only for multiple intruders

True story...

I and a couple of other dumb high school kids get invited out to a girls house. She claimed her parents were not going to be home. We show up and no lights are on and we think she just fell asleep so we proceed to go wrap on the girls window to see if we can wake her up.

Turns out the parents were home the dad hears us and comes out a blazin. Lucky for us he couldn't hit a broad side of a barn. I ****ing shit my pants and I tell you what I probably sprinted a mile in under 3 minutes.

He called the cops and reported that he was trying to shoot some guys trying to steal his stuff. Cops found out what actually happened and he got in some shit over it. If he had hit any of us he would have been up for manslaughter and a high school kid would have been dead over nothing.

I guess what I am trying to say is the whole ****ing shoot first and ask questions later line is bullshit. I have no problem with someone shooting someone if there is a danger. But you better be sure there is actual danger and not just some dumb kid or anything else like that.

Lots of gangstaz in this thread.

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I don't think I would have shot the guy and I know its easy for me to say not having been in the situation but in real time I guess anything could have happened.I definitely would have let him know I had one and let him hear me chamber a round just in case he didn't know what it sounded like.
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It's not gangsta to have a policy of shooting intruders in one's home. It's pretty much why we have the Castle doctrine. Naturally, a few people are deriding the position, and pretending that they can somehow find a 100% safe position.

The problem is that hesitating can get the homeowner killed.

Those of you opposed to 'just shooting' someone in your home, please post your full addresses in this thread. Thanks.

This. A criminal should have no rights whatsover during the commission of a home invasion.

you guys need to make sure you understand the castle doctrine. Not just a vague idea but the brass tacs.
I have zero problem killing an intruded who is a danger. none. Shoot them in the face and shoot them again for good measure.

But imo if you have ANY kind of tactical relationship with a weapon, shooting a intruder or suspect on site is a huge over kill that could land you in the pen.

Permutations vary state-to-state. The basic concept remains the same.

It does to a point. Doesnt give you shoot first ask questions later rights.

Yep and you'd probably be surprised at the number of people that think taking a CCW class gives them a license to kill.
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Yes, it pretty much can, actually. The extent of that depends upon the state. The key, as is so often the case, is to be found in the interpretation of "reasonable".

Texas is a great example of this.

why the **** was he showering?

Big Richard... That instance you were outside. Its different inside one's home. Had you and your buddies walked into the home instead of knocking on the window, he would have every right to blow you away. Tragic? yes. Illegal? Absolutely not. And my guess is the old man missed on purpose.

Exactly. By all means.. shoot the shit out of a dangerous intruder.

The entire point of the arguments in this thread is that you better be damn sure of the situation once you make that decision. As the links and the stories in this thread have pointed out.... lots of people fail in that decision making process and end up shooting somebody that wasn't actually intending to do them harm. Just a few posts back, a high schooler got shot at just because of the home owner's daughter inviting him to the house. Had that homeowner been a better aim, he'd likely be in prison with an unnecessary death on his conscience.. Hard to continue to protect your family when you're in prison.

The internet tough guys act like it's an easy clear cut thing, to be in position to take another man's life in the heat of the moment.

It's a tough thing to do. And it's even tougher to get the blood stains out of your carpet.

:shrug: PCP? I’ve heard it makes the body over heat that’s why most guys you see on those Cops shows hopped up on PCP are naked and looking for water to bath in.

try that shit in missouri and the jury might you hand your some prison time. Im not talkin outta my ass. My brother, stone solid, is a sheriff and gave the the straight breakdown.
you shoot a mother****er in missouri, in your home, without provocation, your ass could land in jail.

noone believes in 'pay to play' more than i do. But in these situations there are two sides to the coin.

We were invited by the girl so no he would have had no right to do so... according to the cops anyway.

As I said, the permutations vary by state. Here, take a gander at the Texas version:

http://www.rc123.com/texas_castle_doctrine.html

As another example, Florida abolished the retreat requirement outside of the home a few years back, and now has a general standard of "reasonable belief they are in danger of death or great bodily harm" even outside the home.