Mike Vrabel will be suspended for his first tackle next season
if there is a next season
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6232940 MARCO ISLAND, Fla. -- Chiefs veteran linebacker Mike Vrabel has an idea for progressing talks between the NFL Players Association and the owners who have locked them out: Cut out the middle men. Vrabel, speaking to ESPN's George Smith in a roundtable interview during a break at the former union's annual meeting Friday, suggested meetings that don't include commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL's lead labor attorneys would be to everyone's advantage. Clayton: Owners' cap math doesn't work Before the NFLPA decertified last Friday, owners increased their offer from $131 million in player costs in 2011 to $141 million. But a pre-2008 salary cap simply doesn't work with 2011 salaries, writes John Clayton. Story "We are willing to negotiate. But we don't want to negotiate with Bob Batterman, Jeff Pash or Roger Goodell," Vrabel said, referring to the NFL's outside labor counsel in Batterman and its executive vice president and lead counsel in Pash. "Our executive committee needs to negotiate with Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, Jerry Richardson -- their executive committee. People that are willing and can agree to a deal. Jeff Pash can't agree to a deal." NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league accepts Vrabel's invitation to negotiate but didn't rule out the top executives' participation. "The NFL's negotiating team -- accompanied by the three owners Mike mentioned, Jerry Jones, Jerry Richardson and Robert Kraft -- is prepared to meet immediately. Just tell us when and where," Aiello said of the Cowboys owner, the Panthers owner and the Patriots owner. A week after the union decertified and a lockout began shortly thereafter, Vrabel was among several players who continued to ratchet up the rhetoric publicly, targeting the owners group's motives and means in the NFL's labor stalemate. Pete Kendall, the NFLPA's permanent player representative, told reporters labor negotiations broke down last week because the owners' last proposal would have made salaries a fixed cost and eliminated the players' chance to share in higher-than-projected revenue growth. "That's a fundamental change as to the way the business has been done with the players -- player percentage always has been tied to revenues," said Kendall, a former 13-year offensive lineman who retired after the 2008 season. Colts center and player representative Jeff Saturday, speaking to ESPN's Smith along with Vrabel, Saints quarterback Drew Brees, Broncos safety and player rep Brian Dawkins and Ravens player representative Domonique Foxworth, bashed a letter Goodell sent to all NFL players Thursday in which he detailed the owners' version of events that led to last Friday's lockout. “ The NFL's negotiating team -- accompanied by the three owners Mike mentioned, Jerry Jones, Jerry Richardson and Robert Kraft -- is prepared to meet immediately. Just tell us when and where. ” -- NFL spokesman Greg Aiello "It's his attempt to, you know, to divide us as a group of men," Saturday said. "You know, anytime you send something out like that after we've been in negotiations for two-years plus, you know, 15-day extension -- all the things we've been through -- you know it's just one of those tactics different people use during the negotiations." Mediation cut off last Friday, and the union dissolved itself, allowing players to file suit in federal court. Hours later, when the old collective bargaining agreement expired, owners locked out the players. "The reality is we've been communicating to our men throughout this whole process about what the offers really are, what the numbers really are, things that we have tried to agree upon that have not been agreed upon and as a group of men we knew it wasn't a deal that our membership would accept," Saturday said. In a speech Friday to players at the NFLPA's annual meeting, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said he won't be paid during the work stoppage -- the league's first since 1987. Goodell and Pash, the league's lead labor negotiator, already said they would reduce their salaries to a dollar each. "Our players are locked out," Smith said during a brief session with reporters. "The league made a unilaterial decision to punish the people who made this game great." Smith said he does not consider Goodell's letter an attempt to engage in good-faith negotiations. The league, he said, could attempt to restart talks by writing, instead, to lawyers representing the players now that the union has dissolved. "Let's not kid ourselves. Jeff Pash ... knows that class counsel can always engage in discussions with counsel for the National Football League to have discussions relating to a settlement," Smith said. "He knows what letter should have been sent." Kendall described the league's 11th-hour offer as "kind of the old switcheroo," saying that throughout negotiations the players' chance to share in increased revenues had been a key component of how to divide the NFL's yearly take of more than $9 billion. Kendall said the discussions until talks stopped last Friday -- the 16th day of federal mediation -- always revolved around the premise that if the rise in league revenues exceeded a certain percentage each year, players would get a cut. "The most important thing is getting back to playing football again," Brees said. "And that's why we're enjoining a lockout. Like all these guys have said, we, our intention was never to get locked out, we wanted to get a fair deal done. We always had guys there to do that." Brees addressed the perceived Catch-22 surrounding rookie prospects' decision over whether to attend next month's draft, set for April 28-30. Goodell letter Goodell NFL commissioner Roger Goodell sent a letter to 1,900 NFL players on Thursday. Read it here. Letter "Each rookie has -- if they've been invited to New York -- they absolutely have the option of going to New York," Brees said in the interview with ESPN. "I think to our point it was -- how do you feel about walking across the stage and shaking the hand of the commissioner who just locked you out? And as great an experience as it is to get drafted, which it absolutely is, I think the even greater experience is to play your first game, and to have to opportunity to win a championship and right now that's being threatened with this lockout." While the addition of an immediate 18-game schedule was tabled in the negotiations early last week, the possibility for instituting it in future seasons -- with the players' approval -- was retained. "Eighteen games does nothing for our health and safety," said Foxworth, the former defensive back and Ravens player rep who retired in 2009. "We're not looking to make any financial gains, we're looking to protect former players and make protections and safety improvements for current players." But the players told ESPN's Smith it wasn't a deal-breaker. "No. We'll negotiate on the economics of football," Vrabel said. "We're not negotiating on health and safety. And as far as we're concerned 18 games lies right in the way of our players health and safety." Pash told the AP this week that the owners' final proposal was for a 10-year CBA. Kendall confirmed that. "A 10-year, fair deal might be something worth considering," Kendall said. "A 10-year deal where the players don't participate in any of the upside is not a deal that I think is ... something that the players should have taken." An April 6 hearing date is set for U.S. District Court in Minnesota for a ruling on the players' request for an injunction that would end the lockout. But a settlement between the owners and players before the hearing is unlikely, an NFLPA source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter earlier this week. The source said a ruling on the players' injunction request was expected within a week of the hearing. "We're confident that this injunction is gonna be granted," Foxworth said. "And I think the message to the fans is -- all the fans should just unite and root for this at this point. You don't have a team to root for at this point, you wanna root for your team when the season comes, you need to be outside the courthouse with your face painted cheering for the judge to grant this injunction. Because I think simply put if we are granted this injunction there will be football." |
What? That article says nothing having to do with the title of this thread.
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So the players want the owners' lawyers to stay home but they want to bring their own? I'm guessing if the players wanted to negotiate against the owners with NO lawyers there, it would not end well for the players.
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Deep in my heart of hearts, I believe that this decertification is a crock.
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1. a Union / Players association (or, the people at the top of it) is the very definition of a "middle man"
2. But the players told ESPN's Smith it wasn't a deal-breaker. "No. We'll negotiate on the economics of football," Vrabel said. "We're not negotiating on health and safety. And as far as we're concerned 18 games lies right in the way of our players health and safety." Um, that sounds like a deal breaker to me. It would be easier to understand if they printed the actual question rather than paraphrasing it. 3. The players should all shut the hell up at this point, save those that are halfway articulate. Vrabel and Brees are parties to the lawsuit but so far they've done more harm than good in the public speaking arena. |
I do not understand what the issue is, or say, how anyone would expect a group of ego-centric punks (NFL Players) that do not have a clue how to manage their money (Usually broke within 5yrs of retirement) that hold out on their contracts saying they need more money to commonly agree to much of anything fair and reasonable. Especially with all the middle men that work off of percentages egging them on about how they are worth more than that.
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The Judge should call the parties to the lawsuit into court and enter an order prohibiting all of them from speaking with the media.
Deep down inside I would still like to see them have the draft prior to free agency, just to mess with all the teams. |
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As long as that tackle happens in another uniform, I don't give a shit.
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if your boss wanted to cut salaries they would be cut or you would be fired |
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and it doesn't change the fact the players are not the ones going after more money. they are trying to maintain the same level of pay that has been in effect since the early 90's. |
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AFL the players are free to go play in one of the other leagues or can even play in the CFL if they prefer. They also have several sport related professions they can go work. As all you pro union guys keep screaming, the nfl is not the same as a normal job. You're right, they are more of a construction contract worker who is not employed but rather contracted out for a job. The current contract was up and now the owners are offering less for the next contract. The owners are not "asking for money back" because the players are not employed. The players are just pissed because the owners are not offering as much for the next contract job. Also the players are not regular employees, they have other ways to make money. They are famous and can use the notoriety they achieved while playing pro football to make money and/or become analysts or broadcasters to make money. They can do commercials etc. The concept that the players are at the mercy of the owners for a job like some kind of sweatshop worker is just stupid. |
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the chick in your avitar isn't that hot... |
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fyi the bitch in your avatar isn't that hot either :p |
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Congratulations, Idiot. |
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The owners changed the deal at the "11th Hour". There was NO time to make a counter-offer as time was about to expire. The union and owners had been working to resolve this issue for TWO YEARS. Another week wasn't going to change a thing, especially after the owners last proposal. |
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Sometimes I watch games without picking sides
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besides the fans have really nothing to gain by have the players win. In fact, they have lots to lose potentially.
everyone wants it over ... but over means somebody winning not just the players things that will/could happen if: Owners win - NFL salary cap back in place Rookie salary cap players making less money 18 game season (maybe although the owners haven't even formally purposed it) leagues stays mostly the way it is now lower salary cost leads to lower ticket prices and owners paying more of their own stadiums stuff? ( ROFL not likely but at least they won't have excuse to raise prices) Players win - no 18 game schedule (personally this is the only positive i see from the players winning) will salary cap come back? (have my doubts and would kill small markets like chiefs imo) rookie salary cap? (why would they if they win?) guaranteed salaries? (you think some of these fat guys are lazy now) higher salaries (lead to at least the threat of passing that cost to ticket and parking cost, cable bills, directv season ticket costs ... virtually every dollar would get passed on to the fans imo.) do we know exactly what will happen? No, but there are very few positive possibilities for the fans if the Players win. |
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Both sides were SO far apart that another week wouldn't have done a damn thing, so the players decertified and sued. |
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the players could of extended it but instead they pulled the PR stunt of saying "we will extend it but only if you completely open your books for the last 10 yrs. Something they knew the owners wouldn't do. |
I keep wondering why everyone just believes what players and "unnamed sources" are leaking out there.
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What reason would the players have had to go along with an extension at that time? |
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The rest is all blather. |
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They'd been far apart on this deal for more than TWO YEARS. After seeing the owners latest proposal, the NFLPA KNEW IMMEDIATELY that it wouldn't make ANY sense to extend the deal by a week. |
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yet another reason to want the owners to win. |
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Same people doing the same things for the same players Posted via Mobile Device |
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http://ps3crunch.com/wp-content/uplo...banhammer1.jpg funny how mr. "been wounding vaginas since 2000" start crying like a little bitch when someone takes it to him. Everyone notice how the tone of the thread changes as soon as he showed up? He brings nothing to a thread besides "fighting". |
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similar to die and fire usage |
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i'm shocked |
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Have you SEEN some of the shit dane says to people? I you dish it you damn well be able to take it Posted via Mobile Device |
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Have you? |
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if he doesn't want to get shit then he shouldn't give it. i have openly said that calling him pedo is just a name to piss him off and i have nothing to prove that he really is. Would calling idiot,douche or telling him to die in a fire be better for you? |
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And, yes, the other names would be better. All it takes is someone doing a background check to pull up "Dane, pedophile" on the internet, to cause trouble in the man's real life. Just how ****ing reeruned are you? |
No. not a pedophile. But he has said a lot of stuff that's crosses lines. Is there really a difference?
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Yeah this would make sense if his name is dane mcloud
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I'm not for banning, but something should at least have been said to the idiots choosing that as an attack. |
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B. that still goes beyond a simple background check. |
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EVER... |
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An audiophile, from Latin audio "I hear" and Greek philos "loving," is a hobbyist who seeks high-quality audio reproduction via the use of non-mass-produced high-end audio electronics. |
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I'm not sure what to make of the dispute. You shouldn't call someone a pedo. However, it's allowed by CP, whereas veiled threats of violence aren't. Laz baited him in and gut hooked Dane. |
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All I'm saying is that either all words should be clear or something as charged as the word in question should be considered at least as serious as that 3 letter insult to homosexuals. Hell, at least that word has alternate meanings. |
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That's just how it went down. |
R8er has said that dane was making pornos for quite some time. That wasn't something that came up thee last day or two. Dane had time to think up a response
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Frankly I think the owners and the players should both just go **** themselves. We need the NFLFA (NFL Fans Association) to tell them who really makes football what it is. If there were no fans would there be a league? The high ticket prices, parking fees, food and beverage cost at stadiums is reaching a point that a lot fans can no longer afford. I think it would be great to boycott the first couple of weekends games whenever the next season starts. Both by not going to the games and not watching on T.V. just to send a message from those who truly pay the paychecks.
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It didn't just start the last day or two Posted via Mobile Device |
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I'm focused on the uneven use of censorship on the board. That's a big issue for me. |
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