The Chiefs drafting (_____) would piss you off?
 

Ok, King Carl steps up to the podium and announces our pick at 21. :evil:

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"With the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, my bitches, the Kansas City Chiefs select (________________________)."

Who's the 1 guy that will cause your fist to go through your tv?

I'll start:

Nate Solder, LT, University of Colorado.

Jake Locker, QB, University of Washington.

He scares me too.

Yeah, this.

Jimmy Clausen.
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Anthony Castonzo

While a risky pick, I can't imagine being "pissed" by a pick that is consistently ranked as one of the top 3 OTs in this draft. At 6'8" 320 lbs (with room to grow) and GREAT athleticism and intelligence, I wouldn't exactly be PISSED if we got him at #21...

Did you watch him play in college? He's the return of Jordan Black.

In reality, I don't there is anyone that should be available at #21 would really piss me off, except maybe a 3-4 DE and that would only be because it would verify what an awful pick TJ was.

Locker would be a concern because I don't think he will amount to anything. Much like the other thread, though, I would be happy that they are at least trying.

Castonzo, Solder, Locker, Baldwin

I really would prefer we not take a tackle. For that matter, I'd prefer we not take any O-Lineman at #21 unless it is Pouncey.

If we can't trade back, I am really, really wanting us to snag Muhammad Wilkerson the more I think about it.


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yes I watched him, and you are insane if that's what you think...

Yes he is a bit raw, but he's only played the position for a few years and needs more coaching... there is NOTHING about him that says he won't get better.

Positives
He has a great work ethic.
He isn't an idiot.
He is fast (fastest OT 40 time) and athletic.
He is huge and has room to add both size and strength.

Negatives
Plays too high at times (coachable)
Needs better hand work (coachable)
Needs to get stronger (this is the only big question mark)

What EXACTLY do you think is wrong with him?

(btw I am not advocating that we pick him, I just wouldn't be pissed)

You do realize you are comparing a 1st round OT with a 5th round OT right? Hyperbole much?

Kerrigan

This is how I see Locker.

I was referring to him chasing the DE to the QB. Solder would be a downgrade from what we already have.

We won't take him though, he's got a low floor.

Out of 2500 snaps played at LT how often did that happen?

I want to hear something tangible like a critique of his technique.

Barring injury or horrendous coaching, Solder will be a very good player in the league for quite awhile.

I watched him chase UGA's pass rushers around the whole game. I could throw out some rabble about him not moving his feet fast enough, or not taking a proper angle, but I don't really care.

I think the guy has bust all over him. Time will tell.

Baldwin? Really? That guy is Brandon Marshall part II IMO. As long as we can keep a leash on that dog, he'd be a good player for us.

Ayers

The WTF pick IMO is Kenrick Ellis, not because he sucks it's just due to his past off-field activities. The Boom/Bust variety prospect.

Shaun Chapas or Danny Aiken would really piss me off.

For me it's AJ Green or Julio Jones. I'd be happy if you picked Baldwin in the first though.
I'd be happier if you guys picked another D-Lineman. That would be ****in' hilarious!LMAO

If Green or Jones were available at 21 I'd have to point and laugh at the 20 picks before us. LMAO

All I'm saying' is you guys are ****ed when it comes to picking up a top WR which is one of your biggest weaknesses.
If you guys picked up Wilkerson I’d pee my pants due to the uncontainable laughter. Another 3-4 end would be suitable since it would be 3 out of 4 years the Chiefs have picked one in the first round.
Apparently, the only fatty pants worth picking at NT has a horrifying foot condition that will render him lame by the time he reaches the age of 25.
It’s great that the Chiefs won all those games last year because now you have zero good options in the first round with your 21st pick.

really?

another knowmo


i had no idea you get double aids....

And I'ma laugh when you guys pick anther bust LB. How's Larry English working out for ya? Or that stud BUSTer Davis?

English has had problems with injuries. The rare time he's been healthy he's been disruptive in the opposing team's backfield.
BUSTer was a bust. He had sooooo many injury issues it got ridiculous.

I highly doubt AJ will draft an OLB. Everyone projects a 3-4 end but IMO they have decent depth there.

Either way I expect the majority of ChiefsPlanet to be doing this on draft day after their pick is called:
:banghead:

Solder
Ayers
Taylor

And of course any massive reach that's not a QB

You're an idiot

a massive reach for a QB is ok?

Solder and Ayers


IDK if I really care about anyone else... I just really don't like either of them.

That's pronounced "Your and idiot" idiot.

BTW how do you figure? The players available from 20 to 35 are all of simlilar value. There'll be no blue chippers available at 21

Ayers, Solder, Taylor

But they don't end up being the same player.

The quality level is not the same. It'll take a fluke to find a player that will have a major impact at that late of a pick.

Any player that kcbubb endorses.

you dont know that

It happens every year.

...

For me, I just dont want a corner, guard, safety, tight end or kicker in the first...I am pretty open minded about the rest.

I am of the opinion that Pioli has earned the benefit of the doubt until proven he deserves to have that stripped from him.

Within reason.

I don't think even Carl and Herm are dumb enough to take Nathan Enderle or someone like that in the first. However, QBs are zooming up the draft boards into the first round. Neither Ponder, Dalton, or Kaepernick are actually first round talents, but right now rumors are flying every which way about how high these guys will get taken.

I would call all three of those guys reaches, but I'm not going to get furious about it. I think this would be a calculated selection if we took one of those guys in the first round... one made with Zorn's and Haley's opinion in mind.

Of course not. In nearly every draft the "blue chippers" are always gone in the top 10. There's talent to be had, obviously, but teams gotta dig for it.

And that's what the Chiefs will have to do. But there are several great players for the Chiefs to select. Just because the pick isn't obvious doesn't mean we're going to set our franchise back some years because we're drafting at #21 in this particular year. That's just stupid.

The chances of having a crappy pick at 21 are exponentially better than having a pick in the top 5.
I'm just saying you guys won't be able to pin your hopes and dreams on your first rounder this year the way most of you did with Berry last year.
There are no "great" players for the Chiefs to select at 21.

O NOES WHAT EVER WILL WE DO?? WE'RE D0000000M3D!!!111

Yep.

Your post is hilarious, Zooks. It's like you think all Chiefs fans here had no ****ing clue what being a Chiefs fan was like prior to 2008

Most don't. You get spoiled after picking so high for a while.

IMO - It'll be slim pickins at 21 this year, (more so than other years). If I were Pioli I'd try to trade down to get a few more reasonable cogs to add to the machine rather than pinning my hopes one a sigular player to have any type of major impact.
I also don't understand why so many posters want a D-Linemen in the 1st. Why? Once Tyson Jackson stops acting like Larry English he'll be a dominant 3-4 end, Dorsey's finally making the adjustment. What more do you need other than a tub of lard to play NT and lay on the ground to clog lanes during running plays? You guys can go to OK Joe's on any Wednesday night to find a guy like that.

Most Chiefs fans are meh on Phil Taylor. I personally will be upset if the Chiefs take him. This "obsession" you talk about with Chiefs fans when it comes to 1st round defensive linemen doesn't really exist

Other than Colin Kaepernick I haven't really heard any other options other than D-Linemen from the Planet.
What would you do If you were GM?
(BTW - I'm going to bed, Nice talking to you SNR. I look forward to your response)

Offensive line is the popular option this year. I'm all for Costanzo, Carimi, or Sherrod. If there's a center the Chiefs REALLY like, I'll grumble about it, but I won't be upset.

At WR, Jon Baldwin would be great, but there's no way the Chiefs take him. I'm so high on Leonard Hankerson, that I think the value is there for him to be taken at #21. I see all-star when I watch him play and see how much he improved incrementally throughout his college career. That combined with his pretty good physical gifts make me want the Chiefs to take him... whether it's at 21 or later.

I'm not too high on CB or LB. Ayers doesn't look good to me. Reed is iffy. If a guy like Aldon Smith dropped I'd like to see us snatch him up, but I doubt he will be there.

And at QB I like Ponder and Dalton. Kaepernick is a 2nd rounder and later to me, and I doubt the Chiefs will take him. But if he IS drafted with our first rounder, I'm going to be patient with him. I have to be. He's a first round ****ing QB, which hasn't been seen by this team since 1983

Go suck cow tits milkmom.

Just for the record, I agree with Zooks and think that we are in a bad spot at 21. I think we should either trade up and target Julio Jones if the Vikes want to trade down and get Mallett. Or I think we should trade down with someone like Buffalo and get an OLB like Reed.

You have soured milkmom.

milkmom. Cute. That's adorable. Lemme try:

kcboob

Hey, that's fun!

I'm really starting to pull for Ponder at 21.

You know, with the addition of one character, it looks almost like the chiefs could draft Jason Whitlock.

That's actually kcboob's fupa

(And I don't think that would be a good fit for the Chiefs)

Drafting a QB in the 1st would excite me more than any other pick, because it would say to the world we're looking to improve our JV QB position.

I'm hoping we get a pass rusher or a WR with a high pick, since the QB thing won't happen.

Tard.

Solder was a first team Walter Camp, first team AP All-American, first team everything, All-Academic, etc.

The guy is smart, works his ass off, is athletic as hell for a dude his size, has nice fundamentals, etc. He's played the LT spot for three years, and only gave up one sack this past season.

Did YOU watch him in college? I doubt it.

So, you'd be pissed if we drafted the top rated offensive tackle, the third rated offensive tackle, a guy who was supposed to go #1 in the draft last year or a 6'5", 230 lbs. receiver that runs a 4.49 40 and has a 42" (yeah - forty two inch) vertical?

You must ****ing hate life.

I'd prefer we keep Asamoah at LT.

I'm pretty sure Tyron Smith is the top rated tackle in this draft dumbass. And no if I hated my life i'd become a Morman like you and soil my special underwear.

ROFL Now, now Sac doesn't really watch the games. If he did, he might have a bit of a clue. He's still butthurt his favorite player is on the Seahawks and he had to buy the ticket to watch him bend over every week.

Anyone Sacoshit wants us to draft would upset me, and I haven't even looked at his draft threads this season.

I just assume he's being an idiot still.

If you say so.

Two years at right tackle, and didn't want to work out with the other linemen at the Combine (other than the bench). He's this draft's high risk/high reward player. I'm sure he'll go high based on his wingspan and athleticism, but it's not like he's above and beyond the other top tackles in this draft from that perspective.

Smith:
6'5"
307 lbs.
29" vertical
9'1" broad jump
29 reps at 225
36 1/2" arms
Suspended for a game in 2009 because of academic issues

From NFL.com:
Overview:
Smith is one of the best prospects on the hoof in this class. Blessed with an ideal NFL frame and has the outstanding feet and athleticism necessary to be a starting left tackle. Does a great job staying in front of speed rushers, locks on and sustains, and can anchor against the bull rush. Shows solid power in the running game and is really productive out in space. Football IQ is lacking. Fails to find his target at times in the running games and is a tick slow recognizing blitzes. Smith could come off the board early in the first round due to his rare physical gifts.

Strengths:
Smith possesses ideal height and length combined with rare speed and mobility for an offensive tackle. Can sink his hips to counter the bull rush. Moves his feet really well to shadow quicker speed rushers. Very comfortable blocking in space pulling on the perimeter and getting to the second level. Has a mean streak.

Weaknesses:
Would benefit from adding more bulk to his frame. Does not have natural football instincts. Overall awareness is lacking. Can be baited by stunts and twists. Does not recognize the blitz as quickly as you'd like to see. Can be beat by speed-to-power pass rushing moves.

Castonzo:
6'7"
311 lbs.
29 1/2" vertical
8'9" broad jump
28 reps at 225
34 1/2" arms
Academic All American

Overview:
Castonzo has the potential to develop into a top left tackle capable of shutting down top speed rushers. Started his first game as a true freshman and didn't leave the field during his four years at BC. He has very good mobility. Masks his lack of strength, to a certain extent, with quickness and positioning. Would be a good fit in a zone-blocking scheme or on a club that loves the screen game. Will probably never be a favorable matchup when facing bigger, more powerful NFL defensive lineman. Still, Castonzo is a first rounder with a chance to be the first O-lineman taken.

Strengths:
Castonzo possesses ideal height for the tackle position and has great feet. A highly-productive and extremely durable performer with over 50 starts in his college career. Smart, tough player and a hard worker. Huge, long frame coupled with impressive mobility allows him to shut down speed rushers. Puts himself in good position while run blocking. Comfortable and productive in space.

Weaknesses:
Must improve his bulk and playing strength (both upper and lower body). Can be beat by a strong bull rush or violent pass rushing moves. Can get caught dipping his head in pass protection. Does not push people off the line of scrimmage in the running game.

And that's the best you got? Insulting someone about their religious beliefs? (Even though I'm not a Mormon, so your idiotic response really doesn't have any relevance other than bringing to light your religious intolerance and hate.)

Costanzo would piss me off as our first rounder.

He gets beat is pass protection by the same things Albert does (albeit Albert does so against NFL talent, both can be beat by speed rushers that have good strength...not many lts can stop that combination consistently) and isn't anywhere near as good as a run blocker. IMO Albert is a borderline elite run blocker while Costanzo gets NO push in the run game.

If it's not a huge upgrade to an adequate LT, what the point in spending a first there when we can significantly upgrade a need position elsewhere?

Give it up

Nope.

Albert is nowhere near elite as a run blocker. He's a lunger that gets completely lost at the second level. He really struggles to find a target on sweeps and end arounds, which is a real detriment to this particular running attack - at least with Charles.

Honestly, it's his run blocking that cheeses me off more than anything. He's a phone booth blocker that tries to punch his guy of base and gets lost once the play goes into space. His footwork sucks and he has absolutely no kick step whatsoever. The guy is a guard.

He also struggles with pass rushers that can stunt a quick inside move. He's okay with bull rushers.

Castonzo has very good footwork and is capable of dealing with speed rushers. He also adjusts extremely well to game time situations and will modify his blocking depending upon the guy he faces right then and there. He also plays nasty and goes past the whistle in finishing blocks. He seals the edge extremely well.

He does struggle against power rushers somewhat, but that's not that big of a deal in the zone system that Haley runs.

Another fortune teller.

I'm sure you forecasted losing to Cinci last year too, right?

The hilarious thing is you think the Chargers are sitting pretty just 3 spots ahead.

For the record, no one gives a shit what you think.

Your takes continue to be comical.

We are the #1 rushing team in the NFL (going to the left side) since Albert has been our LT. That, to me, makes him borderline elite at worst and truly elite at best. I can dig up the source for that if you like as it has been posted here multiple times. Just more proof that you either:

a) dont watch the games

or

b) are so jaded while you watch them that you have no clue what you are watching.

Costanzo isnt a run blocker at all and we are a running team until Cassel shows the ability to change that (or someone else does, if given a chance) and at best he is a marginal upgrade as a pass blocker.

If Brandon Albert and Anthony Costanzo were in the same draft, Albert would almost assuredly be the one taken first.

He is such a good pass blocker...

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Sure looks like he did a superb job of "sealing the edge" in that video... ROFL wasnt that what you called it when Okung got pushed right into the quarterback last year?

Sealing the ****ing edge...gimme a break.

Dude lunged, extended himself and still got beat repeatedly by about every player he faced of similar ability to Quinn...that was just one of the games I saw him get dominated with my own eyes and knew there had to be a video of it floating around and low and behold...

kcbubb is furiously working with his team to figure out an insulting play on words with your name. You're in trouble now.

You, you, you Jim Rome wannabe meanie.

That means if you play him at his natural position he would be ok. We all hated Black playing LT.

I stopped reading there. If you truly think that Albert is an "elite" level NFL left tackle, you are a complete and utter moron.

If I were you, I would refrain from using your now trademarked catch phrase "you don't watch the games" because if you actually watch the Chief games and come away with the thought that Albert is "elite" then you don't have a ****ing clue about football and you come off as a hypocritical jerk off.

LMAO Re: the Cincy comment.
I'm worried the Chargers are going to miss out on one of the premier 3-4 DEs at #18.
I'd like the Bolts to trade up to Miami's spot to get ahead of Jacksonville and NE but I don't believe Miami would want to sit behind NE and watch them take Ingram.

Says the guy that told us all about how well Asamoah played LT...I freaking live this place!

LMAO LMAO

Albert's never going to be Willie Roaf when Roaf was in his prime, but I have no idea where Sac thinks he is utter garbage.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that this debate is STILL going on. Albert is a solid left tackle. Not all world, but certainly not Jordan Black-ian.

My mistake, I thought it was clear that I was talking about him as a run blocker. I figured that was a given that any second grader could pick up on, but I forgot who I was talking to.

Albert is a damn good run blocker and adequet pass blocker with the skills to improve.

Costanzo isn't an upgrade.

Albert is going to be the starting LT on this team for at least the next couple of seasons. He needs to just accept that and move on. Lilja and Asomoah aren't a bad set of guards. You don't need a Vermeil Chiefs line to be an elite team.

ROFL

I doubt Ingram gets taken that high.

I agree, but it wouldn't be considered a reach.
Bellycheck could pull the trigger on him just to mess with Fishies heads.