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cavtrp1 05-12-2011 11:27 AM

Jonathan Baldwin: The Kansas City Chiefs' Missing Link for AFC West Dominance
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...west-dominance

In between the draft dust settling and the NFL season getting under way, there are always bold predictions about kids that catch eyes, turn heads and spark debate amongst NFL fans and critics alike.

In the first round of the 2011 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs grabbed one of these players in Jonathan Baldwin.

Baldwin wasn't the highest-profile wide receiver coming out in this year's draft; he didn't have the "freak" label that Georgia's A.J. Green had, nor was he the crisp route-runner that Alabama's Julio Jones was in college.

What he was, though, was a 6'4", 230-lb. wide receiver out of Pitt with great hands who ran a sub-4.5 in the 40-yard dash and leaped for an incredible 42" vertical—tops among all wide receivers in his class—in the NFL scouting combine this offseason.

This young man has the physical tools to stand up to the top receivers in the game, and he's also going to be afforded the luxury of playing opposite Dwayne Bowe, the Chiefs' top and only real wide receiver to speak of. The combination of these two talents could be deadly for all of the Chiefs' opposition for years to come.

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley finds himself in a situation not unfamiliar to him. He has an upstart veteran wide receiver coming into his own in Dwayne Bowe that will now be coupled with a brand-new big, physical and sure-handed counterpuncher just waiting to show the world what he has to offer in rookie wideout Jonathan Baldwin.

When Haley was the offensive coordinator on the Arizona Cardinals' staff, he had an established Larry Fitzgerald paired with a blossoming No. 2 guy by the name of Anquan Boldin. At the time, Larry had already answered questions that Bowe is still facing—Larry was more sure-handed than Bowe is right now—but Boldin was very raw and physically similar to what Baldwin will be come game time.

Haley had role players in tight end Leonard Pope and slot receiver Steve Breaston to complete the illusion, and he turned them into Super Bowl contenders with a QB in the twilight of a make-or-break career. The rest of that story is history.

Now Haley is the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, and he has the task of setting up the future of the Chiefs organization. After a successful 2010 campaign, he seems to be on the right track. The Chiefs won their first division title since 2003, winning 10 games, and they did it with the league's 30th-ranked passing attack led by the league's best running game.

The Chiefs also have a young but stout defense in place. Cornerback Brandon Flowers is blossoming into one of the NFL's top young CBs, and 2010 rookie Eric Berry made the Pro Bowl in his first year. Add to that the wide-eyed QB chaser Tamba "the sack machine" Hali, Glenn Dorsey on the end and LB Derrick Johnson, who tackles anything that tries to run by him, and the defense is in great shape.

They just need some help staying off the field a little more than they did in 2010. Despite winning the division, the Chiefs still had an anemic passing game that left the defense sucking wind when the fourth quarter came rolling around. That's where Baldwin comes into play.


Wesley Hitt/Getty Images Baldwin brings a big, sure-handed target who isn't going to be double-covered on every down like Bowe was on almost every play last season. On top of that, if and when he becomes a regular target and starts catching balls, he'll take some heat away from Bowe.

This will help to keep the chains moving and put a stop to the overabundance of stalled drives, which will result in more red-zone attempts. This is where this acquisition will really come in handy.

Inside the 20-yard line, the Chiefs already have four big threats for touchdown scoring: Jamaal Charles or Thomas Jones, sophomore tight end Tony Moeaki and the aforementioned Pro Bowl wideout Dwayne Bowe. Jones and Charles were too easily defended in the red zone since doubling Bowe and keeping linebackers in the middle for Moeaki pretty much took care of the passing threat.

Enter Jonathan Baldwin. He adds a whole new dimension to the passing game, especially in the red zone. No longer is doubling Bowe an option with a jump-ball threat on the other side of the field too. Crossing routes and quick outs are also a possibility. Everything is brand new, as long as Baldwin is the receiver that I—and Scott Pioli—believe he will be.

Call this speculation if you will, but it's far more than that. The man upstairs—no, not God; Pioli in the booth—sees something special in this guy, and even a blind man can see the upside to having him in the lineup. I'm just waiting for Jonathan Baldwin to show in September—or whenever the season gets under way—what Chiefs fans already expect from this talented young man.

I really liked the Baldwin pick, I think with Todd’s experience with receivers he could be one of the best in the AFC

doomy3 05-12-2011 11:34 AM

I just got wood.

lcarus 05-12-2011 11:36 AM

Hopefully he isn't Sylvester Morris part II

ChiefsCountry 05-12-2011 11:42 AM

Bleacher Report is like CP.

Bump 05-12-2011 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 7636561)
Hopefully he isn't Sylvester Morris part II

ya it would suck if Baldwin gets a career ending injury. But that can be said of any player, really.

ToxSocks 05-12-2011 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavtrp1 (Post 7636550)
When Haley was the offensive coordinator on the Arizona Cardinals' staff, he had an established Larry Fitzgerald paired with a blossoming No. 2 guy by the name of Anquan Boldin. At the time, Larry had already answered questions that Bowe is still facing—Larry was more sure-handed than Bowe is right now—but Boldin was very raw and physically similar to what Baldwin will be come game time.

Uh...no...that's so inaccurate.

Bump 05-12-2011 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7636574)
Uh...no...that's so inaccurate.

ya, that's pretty stupid.

Fire Me Boy! 05-12-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Tamba "the sack machine" Hali
Lamest. Nickname. Ever.

Deberg_1990 05-12-2011 11:59 AM

I thought Boldin "blossomed" before Fitz? Boldin was drafted a year or two before Fitz right?

ToxSocks 05-12-2011 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7636593)
I thought Boldin "blossomed" before Fitz? Boldin was drafted a year or two before Fitz right?

Boldin never "blossomed". Dude hit the ground running. Had a breakout rookie season. Not to mention they also had 1st rnd draft pick Bryant Johnson.

Rooster 05-12-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 7636587)
Lamest. Nickname. Ever.

Agreed...

Chiefnj2 05-12-2011 12:12 PM

I don't know why Haley gets so much credit for Boldin and Fitz when they were both monsters before his arrival.

zonachief 05-12-2011 12:25 PM

I like the sentiment of the article but in terms of credible insight or analysis, it was an abomination. Boldin was in the league before fitz and boldin was the no doubt number one guy until larry's breakout playoff run a couple years back. Haley gets the credit (and well deserved) for challenging fitz to become great when at the time he was simply good.

Okie_Apparition 05-12-2011 12:29 PM

I don't think many if any teams repeat with the #1 running game. A passing attack is a major need

ToxSocks 05-12-2011 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 7636674)
I don't think many if any teams repeat with the #1 running game. A passing attack is a major need

Expecting Charles to repeat what he did next season is kinda silly.

Saul Good 05-12-2011 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 7636587)
Lamest. Nickname. Ever.

Yep. At least pluralize it to "sacks machine". Then, they could play James Brown's "Sex Machine" whenever he sacks the QB.

ChiefsCountry 05-12-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7636593)
I thought Boldin "blossomed" before Fitz? Boldin was drafted a year or two before Fitz right?

Its bc Bleacher Report is just your average person off the street who can write for them.

Chiefnj2 05-12-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zonachief (Post 7636657)
Haley gets the credit (and well deserved) for challenging fitz to become great when at the time he was simply good.

2 years before Haley arrived Fitz had 103 receptions for over 1,400 yards. That's more than "simply good", IMO.

The Franchise 05-12-2011 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7636574)
Uh...no...that's so inaccurate.

Yeah.....what are the similar questions that Bowe and Fitzgerald had to answer? ****ing Fitzgerald was already thought of as a beast coming out of college. His speed might be his only question mark.

KCrockaholic 05-12-2011 01:43 PM

Actually if we are gonna compare Bold and Fitz to Bowe and Baldwin, Bowe would be the Chiefs version of Boldin, and Baldwin would be the Fitz.

Hammock Parties 05-12-2011 01:43 PM

THIS IS THE TALE
OF CAPTAIN JONATHAN BALDWIN

PIRATE SO BRAVE
CATCHIN TOUCHDOWNS AND SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

lcarus 05-12-2011 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 7636572)
ya it would suck if Baldwin gets a career ending injury. But that can be said of any player, really.

Yeah that is true. I'm just saying, aside from Bowe, we really have had awful luck when it comes to drafting receivers.

Easy 6 05-12-2011 01:55 PM

Most people dont know this, but in 09 Baldwin nearly beat Chuck Liddell & the Big Show to death in a drunken barfight in Miami.

Lzen 05-12-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7636626)
I don't know why Haley gets so much credit for Boldin and Fitz when they were both monsters before his arrival.

I'm pretty sure that Fitz has credited Haley with making him the monster receiver he is today. Just sayin'.

CoMoChief 05-12-2011 02:19 PM

Actually switch Cassel and Rivers and the Chiefs would go to the SB

Sofa King 05-12-2011 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 7636934)
Actually switch Cassel and Rivers and the Chiefs would go to the SB

And switch Vrabel with Ware and Ron Edwards with Wilfork while we're at it.

MoreLemonPledge 05-12-2011 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 7636965)
And switch Vrabel with Ware and Ron Edwards with Wilfork while we're at it.

AND SWITCH HALEY WITH LOMBARDI AND THOMAS JONES WITH O.J. SIMPSON

xztop12 05-12-2011 02:38 PM

I like Baldwin talent-wise. And pre-draft i kept making dream scenario mock's where i had him and Houston getting to us somehow, but im not sure how he fits into our quick-pass westcoast offense...

xztop12 05-12-2011 02:42 PM

And switch Tom Brady with stanzi.... oh wait

The Franchise 05-12-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop12 (Post 7636992)
I like Baldwin talent-wise. And pre-draft i kept making dream scenario mock's where i had him and Houston getting to us somehow, but im not sure how he fits into our quick-pass westcoast offense...

:spock:

Fritz88 05-12-2011 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7636626)
I don't know why Haley gets so much credit for Boldin and Fitz when they were both monsters before his arrival.

If there is one thing that Haley is good with it would be talented WRs.
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Quesadilla Joe 05-12-2011 04:36 PM

Bleacher Report LMAO

Baldwin is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas.

ToxSocks 05-12-2011 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637204)
Bleacher Report LMAO

Baldwin is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas.

:facepalm: Moran.

-King- 05-12-2011 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637204)
Bleacher Report LMAO

Baldwin is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas.

LMAO How is old Demaryius doing these days? Has he learned how to walk again?

Pasta Little Brioni 05-12-2011 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637204)
Bleacher Report LMAO

Baldwin is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas.

Thomas is a gimp LMAO, now go find some twatter douche to say other wise and JIMP

farmerchief 05-12-2011 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637204)
Bleacher Report LMAO

Baldwin is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas.

Who is Demaryius Thomas?

Chiefs=Champions 05-12-2011 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637204)
Bleacher Report LMAO

Baldwin is a poor mans Demaryius Thomas.

LMAO






LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Quesadilla Joe 05-12-2011 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 7637256)
Who is Demaryius Thomas?

A taller, faster (by a lot), and stronger WR with better character, run after the catch ability, and return skills.

SAUTO 05-12-2011 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637881)
A taller, faster (by a lot), and stronger WR with better character, run after the catch ability, and return skills.

Lol when did 6'3" become taller than 6'4"?
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SAUTO 05-12-2011 08:33 PM

Their 40 times are in the same range too 4.37 to 4.53.

Both of them. Low to high times. Exact same.
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SAUTO 05-12-2011 08:34 PM

And thomas couldn't run ay the combine, broken foot, can't run now , torn achilles.

Injury prone.

Hes a poor mans jonathan baldwin
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SAUTO 05-12-2011 08:38 PM

And he had 20 reps on the bench, how many did thomas have?
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Quesadilla Joe 05-12-2011 08:39 PM

Baldwin isn't that fast and Thomas is so yoked that he looks like a TE.

SAUTO 05-12-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637932)
Baldwin isn't that fast and Thomas is so yoked that he looks like a TE.

Huh? They are within 2 lbs of each other.

You are crazy.
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Quesadilla Joe 05-12-2011 08:47 PM

http://www.ffspin.com/wp-content/upl...Baldwin-WR.jpg

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...ter%20feed.jpg

DT is a freaking monster.

milkman 05-12-2011 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 7636587)
Lamest. Nickname. Ever.

I beg to differ.

The Centuar............

Brock 05-12-2011 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637932)
Baldwin isn't that fast and Thomas is so yoked that he looks like a TE.

Is yoked another word for fragile?

Okie_Apparition 05-12-2011 09:54 PM

Lack of body fat does not make you a monster. It removes a layer of fuel that leaves you weak when you need it most. Oh & gay

milkman 05-12-2011 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 7638051)
Lack of body fat does not make you a monster. It removes a layer of fuel that leaves you weak when you need it most. Oh & gay

If Knowmo removed the fat from his head, he might understand this.

Thig Lyfe 05-12-2011 10:01 PM

Posting bleacher report articles should be a bannable offense.

Ugly Duck 05-12-2011 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavtrp1 (Post 7636550)
He wasn't the highest-profile wide receiver coming out in this year's draft; he didn't have the "freak" label, nor was he the crisp route-runner. What he was, though, was a 6'4", 230-lb. wide receiver who ran a sub-4.5 in the 40-yard dash

You guys drafted Darius Heyward-Bey?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...untitled-7.jpg

-King- 05-12-2011 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637943)

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6...erver614fi.jpg He's also done in football.

Bugeater 05-12-2011 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 7638059)
Posting bleacher report articles should be a bannable offense.

This. I'll bet the dumbass who posted it is the same dumbass that wrote it.

suzzer99 05-12-2011 11:59 PM

I've always thought The Golden Bear was a pretty lame nickname.

The Galloping Ghost wins best all time I think. No one does nicknames like the old timey sportswriters.

Quesadilla Joe 05-13-2011 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7638136)
He's also done in football.

How did you find that picture? Are you following him on twitter?

Saccopoo 05-13-2011 01:28 AM

http://images.cheezburger.com/comple...04d72ec308.jpg

1. derrr
- something you say when someone is being stupid

derrr, what an idiot.

-King- 05-13-2011 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7638159)
How did you find that picture? Are you following him on twitter?

It was posted on the Broncos board.

DTLB58 05-13-2011 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 7638059)
Posting bleacher report articles should be a bannable offense.

It's just like anything, it has it's bad people or parts but you can't judge the entire website as a whole when it has so many indiviuals that write there.
I will agree, there is some bad stuff there.

My son has posted articles on B/R either directly or after he writes them for his website and has over a quarter of a million reads and is a year a away from getting his degree in journalism at Iowa.

His articles are picked up by cbs on a consistent basis also.

Tom_A_Hawk 05-13-2011 06:07 AM

The best WR's in the league still can't over come the gimp at QB.

You can't blame 30 ranking in passing on just lack of WR.

The last two games and the playoff game should have earned Cassel a pink slip. Cassel sucks.......yes I know there are forty eleven threads stating that.

SAUTO 05-13-2011 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 7637943)

lol why didnt you post comparable pics at least?


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