Best active NFL player without a ring?
I caught about 10 seconds of some sports talk show yesterday, and they were asking if Donovan McNabb is the best current player to not win a ring. I don't think he's even close, but I liked the question.
I'd go with Tomlinson. Tony G. came to mind, but I don't think he's top 10. Who's on the list? |
Not Gonzales? Stupid. If you think Tomlinson deserves and not TG, then you may be reeruned.
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I care a hell of lot more for Brian Waters to get a ring than Tony Gonzo.
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Fitz of the cards
he should come to KC to get his ring |
Players with the best career, or player who is best NOW?
If we're talking -now- then I think Fitzgerald is a nice starting point. |
Randy Moss, Brian Urlacher
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LT, Tony G, Fitz, Moss, TO, McNabb, Aaron "Jesus" Curry, Hasselbeck.
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Patrick Willis or Frank Gore
seriously not being a homer... |
Tyson Jackson
Actually, I would go with Jamal Charles somewhere in the top 10 |
I'd probably put Moss at #2.
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If there's someone who deserves one for the effort he puts in week after week, it's Steven Jackson. Would also like to Gonzalez, Fitzgerald, T.O, Andre Johnson, McNabb, Charles and L.T to that list. |
Tony G tops my list, the best TE EVER not a top 10 in your book OP? really?
LT McNabb Randy Moss Jason Taylor Champ Bailey (even though I hate him) Urlacher Ed Reed Julius Peppers Brian Dawkins Rivers Antonio Gates all-time Barry Sanders Dan Marino Dick Butkus |
Brandon Gibson.
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I'm gonna go with future active Hall of Famers, regardless of how past thier prime they might be, as opposed to the current Best players at their respective positions.
1. Tony Gonzalez - best TE ever, former Chief, easy choice. 2. Terrell Owns - love him or hate him, he's one of the top 5 receivers to ever play the game, has the stats to prove it, teams always improve with him on their roster. Way more of a complete receiver IMO than #3.... 3. Randy Moss - greatest long ball receiver ever (at least he was for 10 straight years), double team him or risk giving the opponent in instant 7 on every defensice snap. 4. Jason Taylor - monster of monsters when it comes the DE position. 5. Brian Urlacher - guys a stud, felt sorry kinda sorry for him when he signed his life away to a (then) piss poor Chicago team. At least he got to play in the big one. Chances are someone's gonna blast me for putting some of the guys mentioned 2-5 ahead of LT and Champ Bailey. Well i'm a Chiefs fan on a Chiefs message board. I'm allowed to play the Homer card. |
There are some good lists but I would have to add
Tony Richardson. |
Sammie Parker
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Cam Thomas and Jamon Meredith...2 of CP's "draft legends"
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Bobby Sippio.
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Jamaal Charles
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phil rivers, but the homer in me sez jamaal charles also lol
fitz andre johnson demarcus ware adrian p pat willis |
I think there are only two players in the NFL right now who have been to 10+ Pro Bowls and haven't won a ring and they are Champ Bailey and Tony Gonzalez. I would have to give the nod to Champ because he is a surefire first ballot HOF'er and Shannon Sharpe had every record in the books plus 3 Super Bowl Rings and he wasn't first ballot...
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Some good names listed so far. In putting together a top 5, this is what I would say so far. I'm starting to think that Tony G. does belong on that list.
1. LaDainian Tomlinson 2. Randy Moss 3. Terrell Owens 4. Champ Bailey 5. Ed Reed Anyone saying Jamaal Charles belongs in the top 50 is nuts if this is a career achievement award versus a right now award. |
Based on current talent, I'd go with Rivers.
Based on their entire career, I'd go with Tony G. |
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I'm not saying that Champ won't get in the HOF, but there might be other guys who will still be on the ballot that haven't gotten in because of the position they played (i.e: WR). |
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I know this might be the homer in me, but how does Steven Jackson not belong in the top 10 in a list like this?
He's had ove 1,000+ rushing yards for six straight seasons. He had one of his better seasons on the worst team he's played on. He led the NFC in rushing that year. |
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Tyler Thigpen too! / KNOWMO
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But even I ain't as stupid as you are in my bias. There's no question Tony gets in first ballot. |
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TG: 1069 rec/ 12463 yds/ 88 TDs/ 0 Rings Based on their personal play alone, TG is more deserving. He also happens to be a better person than Thannon. |
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And who's to say he won't get a ring next year? The Falcons may not have won a playoff game but they did lose the team that DID win it all, plus they were a 13-3 #1 seed. They stand a better chance than most teams. |
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If you need more convincing, name all the WRs that have been first ballot HOFers (at least in the modern era). There's one: Jerry Rice. Do you think they are willing to claim that Gonzales and Rice are fairly equal? |
All the love to Randy Moss? I hope he NEVER gets a ring in his life.
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Tony .. even tho he left us ....
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I heard Tony was pre approved for dual bust-man-ship. ;) |
Mark Sanchez
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Randy Moss
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That's it... |
All Time (In no order other than how they came to mind)
Dan Marino Earl Campbell Eric Dickerson OJ Simpson Dan Fouts Mike Munchak Derrick Thomas Will Shields Jim Kelly Thurman Thomas Current (In no order other than how they came to mind) Tony Gonzalez Randy Moss Terrell Owens Brian Waters LaDainian Tomlinson Brian Urlacher Larry Fitzgerald Donovan McNabb Tony Richardson I'm sure more will come to mind later. |
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The rest of the NFL doesn't think that highly of Tony G. In the latest NFL Channel top 10 TE's he was 7 or 8. If he was a former Giant, Cowboy, or Patriot he would be 1. |
Janikowski,
Say what you will about the Raiders, but you can`t take the guy`s accomplishments away from him. |
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On the Top 100 list of 2011 on NFL Network, the NFL Players had him at #46 (probably the #3 current TE). http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011 On the All time top 100 list on NFL Network they had him at #45, as the 45th best player of all time, between Mel Blount and Roger Staubach, both Hall of Famers, of course. http://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100 |
Good names for today in the thread, I guess it depends if we're talking greatest as a career or best today. If it's the former, I would add Terrell Owens (even though I can't stand him). If it's the latter, then I would add Nmandi Asomoughah (sp.?) and Darelle Revis, and yes, Ndamukong Suh.
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I know he is the best of all time. But, there are others that don't think very highly of Tony G. They had Jackie Smith rated above Tony...... :facepalm: |
Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.
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If based on past accomplishments I'd say it's a walkaway between Tomlinson and Gonzo...
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Surely you jest. |
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So why not? The player should be able to choose. How does it work? |
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It's BS, but it is what it is. The Willie Roaf snub makes me want to vomit all over not only the Hall Of Fame voters, but the MVP voters as well. My reason for the latter? How about Priest Holmes breaking the TD record on a 13-3 first round bye team getting snubbed for Steve McNair who didn't come close to breaking anything and furthermore played on a team that didn't even win their division. Also that year Jamal Lewis received more votes than Priest for breaking 2000 Yds. OK, fine, so yards matter more than TD's to the voters. Then why, THE VERY NEXT year does Peyton take home the MVP practically unanimously for breaking the passing TD record even though Dante Culpepper threw for almost 1000 yds more than Peyton. In 2003 Yds were more important, then in 2004 Td's were more important. I personally believe it's cause Peyton plays the game and wh*res himself out every chance he gets and is a company man who asks "how high?" every time the leauge asks him to jump. It's sickening to me that acutal play comes second to PR skills when it comes to the Hall of Fame and MVP voters but it is what it is. |
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How are you trying to make an argument 7 years after the fact that a 6-10 QB should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning in the year that Manning had the best season in NFL history? |
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The best year a QB ever had was Brady's 2007 season. |
No, for some reason I thought Culpepper threw for way more than that in 04. Doesn't change the fact that Culpepper threw for more yards, and the Vikings made the playoffs that year and won a game, they weren't 6-10
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Whether Tony gets in first ballot will probably depends most on who else is on the ballot his first year of eligibility.
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Randy Moss and Terrel Owens
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