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FloridaMan88 07-15-2011 07:54 AM

Chiefs forced to spend $20 million to meet new salary floor?
 
So it appears from most reports that the agreed upon 2011 salary cap will be $120 million with the salary floor constituting AT LEAST (and this could be increased) 90% of the salary cap (about $108 million)

Most reports had the Chiefs payroll last season near $90 million.

This means that the Chiefs will be forced to spend about $20 million just to meet the salary floor.

Clark's Chiefs will be FORCED to pursue an aggressive approach in free agency.

Mr_Tomahawk 07-15-2011 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7749718)
So it appears from most reports that the agreed upon 2011 salary cap will be $120 million with the salary floor constituting AT LEAST (and this could be increased) 90% of the salary cap (about $108 million)

Most reports had the Chiefs payroll last season near $90 million.

This means that the Chiefs will be forced to spend about $20 million just to meet the salary floor.

Clark's Chiefs will be FORCED to pursue an aggressive approach in free agency.

We have business to settle with some of our current players first...

Al Bundy 07-15-2011 07:57 AM

The Bucs have nearly 50 million to spend. A shock to the owners system.

HotRoute 07-15-2011 08:15 AM

I thought I heard someone around here say Matt cassel needed a raise.

Mr. Laz 07-15-2011 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 7749718)
Clark's Chiefs will be FORCED to pursue an aggressive approach in free agency.

no, he won't.

They can sign our own free agents and/or restructure deals to push money up front to raise our cap number this year.

don't expect the chiefs to do any more in free agency then they have been.

ShowtimeSBMVP 07-15-2011 08:20 AM

chiefs are at 83 bud not 90

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7749778)
no, he won't.

They can sign our own free agents and/or restructure deals to push money up front to raise our cap number this year.

don't expect the chiefs to do any more in free agency then they have been.

This. I don't want the Chiefs to go crazy in FA. Lock up the studs we have, first.

bevischief 07-15-2011 08:30 AM

Expect to see the Chiefs free agents to see front loaded deal like Cassel got.

ChiefsCountry 07-15-2011 09:09 AM

We are finally building the team the right way and people are bitching about it. Geez spending money on free agents generally does not work. Lock our own guys up first.

Al Bundy 07-15-2011 09:14 AM

It is a weak FA class, however there are a few really good FA's that can be had for decent money.

el borracho 07-15-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotRoute (Post 7749771)
I thought I heard someone around here say Matt cassel needed a raise.

I hate you.

Amnorix 07-15-2011 09:27 AM

It's all too easy to front load contracts or rearrange things via accounting to get to where you need to be. Think about it, if it wasn't then EVERY team would be going crazy in FA to make the floor. That won't happen.

RealSNR 07-15-2011 09:28 AM

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The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 09:47 AM

I expect the Chiefs to make 1 big signing.

As much as I'd hate it, Franklin will likely be pursued. I'm hoping they go after Tyson Clabo from Atlanta to be the RT.

A line of Albert, Asamaoah, Hudson, Lilja and Clabo for the years to come would be awesome.

KurtCobain 07-15-2011 09:57 AM

That does sound like a damn decent line if you have confidence in Albert.

Clabo definitely my number 1.

I don't necessarily want franklin, but I'd be thrilled with the signing. It means Pioli is trying to compete this year.

ToxSocks 07-15-2011 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowl (Post 7749875)
It is a weak FA class, however there are a few really good FA's that can be had for decent money.

Weak F/A Class? Lol

If the 4 years players are allowed to walk un restricted, it should be one of the strongest classes in years.

MahiMike 07-15-2011 10:01 AM

The free agents are licking their chops! They'll be loaning money to Tiger soon.

Chief Roundup 07-15-2011 10:05 AM

I dont' know the numbers but wouldn't the last year of the rookies contracts that we are going to resign be fairly close to what their cap # would be in thier first year of the new contract.
Just saying that if our # was 83 mil including our own players that we now need or want to resign then we actuallly have more than the $20 mil to sign players.

okiedokieokoye 07-15-2011 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prowl (Post 7749875)
It is a weak FA class, however there are a few really good FA's that can be had for decent money.


Weak? You have all those 4 year restricted free agents available now instead of the 6 year guys. It's going to be an enormous free agency pool.

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2011 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7749949)
I expect the Chiefs to make 1 big signing.

As much as I'd hate it, Franklin will likely be pursued. I'm hoping they go after Tyson Clabo from Atlanta to be the RT.

A line of Albert, Asamaoah, Hudson, Lilja and Clabo for the years to come would be awesome.

I'm good with Franklin. Not crazy about it.

With that line, JC will be ****ing raping.

ToxSocks 07-15-2011 11:20 AM

I'd be shocked to see Clabo. He wants to be the most expensive RT ever.

Demonpenz 07-15-2011 11:20 AM

bring in J.J. Stokes

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2011 11:22 AM

88 bitchin about the Chiefs spending money again...I'm shocked. Not drafting and developing our own players well got the team in the position it was. The team is finally on the right track. Lock up the studs we do have and make a couple of nice complimentary signings.

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2011 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7750148)
bring in J.J. Stokes

There we go. Charlie Garner would be a nice addition, as well.

ChiefsCountry 07-15-2011 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7750152)
88 bitchin about the Chiefs spending money again...I'm shocked. Not drafting and developing our own players well got the team in the position it was. The team is finally on the right track. Lock up the studs we do have and make a couple of nice complimentary signings.

What do you expect from Vermeils biggest dick sucker.
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Mr. Arrowhead 07-15-2011 11:28 AM

Breaston please

Okie_Apparition 07-15-2011 11:32 AM

NFL payroll figures are like gallup poll results. It's all about how/who you ask the question & it can be bent to mean about anything you want it to

Micjones 07-15-2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7749949)
I expect the Chiefs to make 1 big signing.

As much as I'd hate it, Franklin will likely be pursued. I'm hoping they go after Tyson Clabo from Atlanta to be the RT.

A line of Albert, Asamaoah, Hudson, Lilja and Clabo for the years to come would be awesome.

I, too, am hoping for a Tyson Clabo signing.
Along with Steve Breaston or James Jones at WR.
Maybe some help at MLB? Takeo Spikes? Barrett Ruud?
Aubrayo Franklin at NT?

ToxSocks 07-15-2011 11:42 AM

Breaston and McClain and I'll be pretty happy. We're not signing Clabo so it's not even worth thinking about.

Takeo Spikes would be a nice stop gap, but I think I'd rather give Belcher another year to see if he can take the next step.

chiefzilla1501 07-15-2011 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 7749886)
I hate you.

It sounds sarcastic but it's not. I believe they have a 7.5 mill option due to him. Unless they cut him, that's a good 12.5 mill against the cap left. Hali and rookies should account for a good chunk of the remainder.

Rexx 07-15-2011 12:20 PM

I think it's pretty much a given that they are going to spend some money on a WR that can play slot...Steve Breaston, Steve Smith, Santana Moss come to mind.

Mr. Laz 07-15-2011 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexx (Post 7750276)
I think it's pretty much a given that they are going to spend some money on a WR that can play slot...Steve Breaston, Steve Smith, Santana Moss come to mind.

wanna bet?

The Franchise 07-15-2011 12:37 PM

Ryan Harris

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 7750178)
I, too, am hoping for a Tyson Clabo signing.
Along with Steve Breaston or James Jones at WR.
Maybe some help at MLB? Takeo Spikes? Barrett Ruud?
Aubrayo Franklin at NT?

Ruud is awesome.

chiefzilla1501 07-15-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7749978)
Weak F/A Class? Lol

If the 4 years players are allowed to walk un restricted, it should be one of the strongest classes in years.

Strongest? Name one player the chiefs could use that is considered one of the top players in the game? If the class was that strong we wouldn't be treating slot receivers as if they were Andre Johnson.

The only blue chip free agents are corners.

Thig Lyfe 07-15-2011 01:37 PM

Is Ricky Watters available? We need somebody to share the load with Charles and Thomas Jones sucks now.

ToxSocks 07-15-2011 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7750359)
Strongest? Name one player the chiefs could use that is considered one of the top players in the game? If the class was that strong we wouldn't be treating slot receivers as if they were Andre Johnson.

The only blue chip free agents are corners.

ROFL.

I love the way you threw "Chiefs Could Use" in there....considering we only have two glaring holes....nice.

bevischief 07-15-2011 04:16 PM

Jeff George

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurtCobain (Post 7749971)
That does sound like a damn decent line if you have confidence in Albert.

Clabo definitely my number 1.

I don't necessarily want franklin, but I'd be thrilled with the signing. It means Pioli is trying to compete this year.

LOL wut?

Pioli would be trying not to compete if he doesn't sign a big name?

BigMeatballDave 07-15-2011 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750739)
LOL wut?

Pioli would be trying not to compete if he doesn't sign a big name?

Built-in excuse for the haters.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750739)
LOL wut?

Pioli would be trying not to compete if he doesn't sign a big name?

I think that's where the disconnect is between the "sign FA's" camp and the "don't sign FA's" camp.

The definition of "big name."

No one is expecting Pioli to go out and sign a Albert Haynesworth type circa 2009.

But there are a lot of guys out there that can help this team, that I don't consider Tier A FA's.

Steve Breaston
Ryan Harris
Chris Hoke
Michael Bush (potentially)

Etc.

To pass on guys like this in favor of slugs like Urban, Long, Engram, Toomer, etc would be pretty ****ing stupid considering this roster still has a lot of the same holes it had 3 years ago.

The Franchise 07-15-2011 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7750754)
Steve Breaston
Ryan Harris
Chris Hoke
Michael Bush (potentially)
Drew Stanton

I'll take this.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 7750758)
I'll take this.

Yeah, forgot we probably need to sign a QB2.

I'm not the fan of Stanton you are, but there's not much out there at QB.

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7750754)
I think that's where the disconnect is between the "sign FA's" camp and the "don't sign FA's" camp.

The definition of "big name."

No one is expecting Pioli to go out and sign a Albert Haynesworth type circa 2009.

But there are a lot of guys out there that can help this team, that I don't consider Tier A FA's.

Steve Breaston
Ryan Harris
Chris Hoke
Michael Bush (potentially)

Etc.

To pass on guys like this in favor of slugs like Urban, Long, Engram, Toomer, etc would be pretty ****ing stupid considering this roster still has a lot of the same holes it had 3 years ago.

I'm not in the 'don't sign FA's" camp. I'm in the don't overspend for marginal players like Franklin camp.

Mr. Laz 07-15-2011 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7750754)
To pass on guys like this in favor of slugs like Urban, Long, Engram, Toomer, etc would be pretty ****ing stupid considering this roster still has a lot of the same holes it had 3 years ago.

This has been the most disappointing part of what Pioli has done so far. I understand not going after elite players until we've built the team back. I just don't understand why we have to go after complete scrubs when there are quality 2nd level guys out there.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750764)
I'm not in the 'don't sign FA's" camp. I'm in the don't overspend for marginal players like Franklin camp.

Didn't say you were or weren't, just making an overall comment.

FTR, I agree. Not a fan of Franklin.

IMO, we need a couple of Lilja-like signings. Tier B guys that are going to make an impact.

Ignoring your gaping holes, or trying to fill them with trash isn't going to cut it if this team expects to improve.

ToxSocks 07-15-2011 05:06 PM

Mike Tolbert and Le'Ron McClain are two other backs that no one is talking about that'd would GREAT additions to this team.

BossChief 07-15-2011 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750764)
I'm not in the 'don't sign FA's" camp. I'm in the don't overspend for marginal players like Franklin camp.

That would be against the blueprint anyway.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7750766)
This has been the most disappointing part of what Pioli has done so far. I understand not going after elite players until we've built the team back. I just don't understand why we have to go after complete scrubs when there are quality 2nd level guys out there.

You and I butt heads a lot, but we're in complete agreement on this one.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7750771)
Mike Tolbert and Le'Ron McClain are two other backs that no one is talking about that'd would GREAT additions to this team.

Good call.

ToxSocks 07-15-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7750772)
That would be against the blueprint anyway.

A fresh rotation of Edwards, Powe and Shaun Smith isn't THAT bad. I don't feel like spending huge dollars on a NT is worth it.

Okie_Apparition 07-15-2011 05:29 PM

Tolbert could grab his ankles & roll for more yards than Jones

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7750778)
A fresh rotation of Edwards, Powe and Shaun Smith isn't THAT bad. I don't feel like spending huge dollars on a NT is worth it.

You absolutely spend big money for the right one.

Franklin isn't it.

Mr. Arrowhead 07-15-2011 05:37 PM

We good, cuz we good the non reading SOB named POWE

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 05:38 PM

I read McClain wants to be a tailback and has slimmed down considerably.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 05:43 PM

How in the **** is Franklin a marginal player?

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750854)
How in the **** is Franklin a marginal player?

Marginal is probably selling him short regarding his talent, but he's not Vince Wilfork, yet he's going to get paid like him.

He probably is marginal in the sense of value for the dollar.

BossChief 07-15-2011 05:48 PM

I would LOVE it if we made a trade for Solai from Miami...they were pushing 126 million last year and I doubt they can afford to give him a good contract and stay under this new cap number of 120 million.

Send em a second and change, if that's enough.

Guy reminds me of a bigger Dan Saleamua.

Do that and sign a starting caliber OT and I'm ready to roll.

OnTheWarpath15 07-15-2011 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7750778)
A fresh rotation of Edwards, Powe and Shaun Smith isn't THAT bad. I don't feel like spending huge dollars on a NT is worth it.

It's not that good, either.

The only addition is a guy that apparently can't read and hasn't had the luxury of getting coached up for the past 4 months.

If the defense is going to take the next step, management has to address the NT position.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7750860)
Marginal is probably selling him short regarding his talent, but he's not Vince Wilfork, yet he's going to get paid like him.

He probably is marginal in the sense of value for the dollar.

I want him but not for Wilfork money. So if thats the asking price no thanks but for anything less yes please!

We got some holes needed to be filled the moto should be "Spend Baby Spend!"

I'd love Clabo, Steve Smith or Breaston or Jones, Franklin, and let's flush the Javon Belcher turd with Barrett Ruud.

BossChief 07-15-2011 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7750860)
Marginal is probably selling him short regarding his talent, but he's not Vince Wilfork, yet he's going to get paid like him.

He probably is marginal in the sense of value for the dollar.

I bet someone pays him MORE than Wilfork got.

Edit:

5year 40 million 25 guaranteed is what Vince got.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 05:57 PM

Anyone else think gm's are already getting deals ready with agents?

BossChief 07-15-2011 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750873)
Anyone else think gm's are already getting deals ready with agents?

There were reports of some gms calling agents a couple days ago inquiring.

...

Belcher is gonna be the linebacker version of Brandon Carr.

Better pump those brakes, billay.

SAUTO 07-15-2011 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7750878)
There were reports of some gms calling agents a couple days ago inquiring.

Iirc that was about UDFAs.
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The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750854)
How in the **** is Franklin a marginal player?

He had one good year. Coincidentally, it's the same year he's playing for a huge contract.

He got a fat one year deal last year and his play fell off a cliff.

He's going to get paid, and stay lazy. No thanks.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750885)
He had one good year. Coincidentally, it's the same year he's playing for a huge contract.

He got a fat one year deal last year and his play fell off a cliff.

He's going to get paid, and stay lazy. No thanks.

Actually he's had 3 good years.

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7750867)
I bet someone pays him MORE than Wilfork got.

Edit:

5year 40 million 25 guaranteed is what Vince got.

If anyone gave him even 15 mill guaranteed, they are going to regret it in a year's time.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2011 06:04 PM

:spock: Belcher is not a "turd"

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750888)
Actually he's had 3 good years.

Yeah, you're full of shit.

He had one good year. I live with a 49ers fan and saw more of them than I cared to the last 3 years.

He had one monster year two years ago. He was awful last year and was a rotational player before his big year.

The 49ers who have a lot of money available, and no real backup are letting him walk because they know he's not worth it.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7750891)
:spock: Belcher is not a "turd"

He is. The Ravens gave was very very telling that our linebacker play NEEDS to get better.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750893)
Yeah, you're full of shit.

He had one good year. I live with a 49ers fan and saw more of them than I cared to the last 3 years.

He had one monster year two years ago. He was awful last year and was a rotational player before his big year.

The 49ers who have a lot of money available, and no real backup are letting him walk because they know he's not worth it.

Nope I'm not. A few years ago he had over 40 tackles this past year he was in the top 3 in tackles. Very solid run stuffer.

BossChief 07-15-2011 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750889)
If anyone gave him even 15 mill guaranteed, they are going to regret it in a year's time.

Lots of 3-4 teams in need of a "good" nt.

Dan Snyders is one of them.

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750897)
Nope I'm not. A few years ago he had over 40 tackles this past year he was in the top 3 in tackles. Very solid run stuffer.

Tackles are your barometer?

Get the **** out of here.

Keep reading the stat sheet and act like you have a freaking clue about the way he played last year.

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7750898)
Lots of 3-4 teams in need of a "good" nt.

Dan Snyders is one of them.

I'm sure he's going to get his money.

I'm saying that whoever gives it will regret it.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-15-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750894)
He is. The Ravens gave was very very telling that our linebacker play NEEDS to get better.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this issue and leave it at that. The position can be upgraded, but he showed progression and promise. It would be flat out ignorant to just get rid of him and the team won't do that.

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750894)
He is. The Ravens gave was very very telling that our linebacker play NEEDS to get better.

So a first year starter can't improve?

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750900)
Tackles are your barometer?

Get the **** out of here.

Keep reading the stat sheet and act like you have a freaking clue about the way he played last year.

I guess roomates who are a fan of a team are a better barometer. ROFL Stop it 5.

Titty Meat 07-15-2011 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7750904)
So a first year starter can't improve?

Can you improve slow and undersized?

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750906)
I guess roomates who are a fan of a team are a better barometer. ROFL Stop it 5.

No, actually watching games with my own eyes is a pretty damn good barometer.

The 49ers are flush with cash, are letting him walk and have nothing behind him. Care to explain that?

The Bad Guy 07-15-2011 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7750908)
Can you improve slow and undersized?

You can improve slow. He was reading more than he was reacting last year.


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