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Hammock Parties 07-22-2011 09:50 AM

How would you like Pat Williams at NT?
 
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/7...ime-on-tuesday

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2) While driving to the hospital I was listening to an interview with Pat Williams on Sirius NFL Radio. Pat Williams is part of the Williams wall for the Vikings defensive line. His contract is up in Minnesota and they were asking him if he plans on retiring. He said that he thinks he has 1 or 2 more years left in him, but that he wants to play for a winner. He mentioned that he doesn't want to stay in Minnesota if they are going to go with a rookie QB this season. Pat Williams plays most of his snaps as a zero technique in Minnesota (Nose Tackle).

When asked directly where he might like to go if he parts with Minnesota he mentioned 3 teams; but the FIRST team he mentioned was Kansas City. He said KC needed a run stuffer in the middle and he could fill that role.

BigCatDaddy 07-22-2011 09:51 AM

Too old.

Sofa King 07-22-2011 09:55 AM

Better than the crap we have now.

ChiefGator 07-22-2011 10:00 AM

As a stop gap player... hellz yeah.

Skyy God 07-22-2011 10:03 AM

Yes. Really, anyone that will keep Billay from droning on about Franklin will do.

Sofa King 07-22-2011 10:05 AM

Sammie Lee Hill! **** you ****ers!

/Pestilence

Skyy God 07-22-2011 10:06 AM

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Nose tackle Pat Williams is a fossil in N.F.L. years — he’ll turn 39 in October — yet he remained an all-around dominant run-stopper. It’s the presence of Williams and his enormous yet lithe running mate, Kevin Williams, that allowed the smart, cohesive linebacking group to make reads without having to worry about fighting off many blocks.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...film-revealed/

Also, for good measure....

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Myth Buster

Jared Allen is a dominant pass rusher

In 2010 at least, this wasn’t true. Allen was not much of a factor early in the season–– even though he faced frequent one-on-one blocking. He came to life down the stretch … once he faced inferior competition. This isn’t to say Allen is not an elite defensive end. But his struggles last season only give more ammunition to detractors who point out that a majority of his sacks in ’09 came against the feeble Packers and Bears offensive lines.

ToxSocks 07-22-2011 10:10 AM

If Pioli trusts that he still has legs, I'll go for it. Dude is old as shit and I can't recall paying much attention to him these past two seasons. I honestly have no idea what he still has left.

SAUTO 07-22-2011 10:13 AM

IN

but just on a 1 or 2 year deal

BigCatDaddy 07-22-2011 10:13 AM

When I watched the Vikings last year they got ran all over. He would also have to move from a 4-3 DT to a 3-4 DT. I'm still voting no on the old fat guy.

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7763735)
Yes. Really, anyone that will keep Billay from droning on about Franklin will do.

Yes let's settle for a worse player! Makes sense.

Hammock Parties 07-22-2011 10:14 AM

In my mind we're in "win now" mode.

If he can give us 25 snaps a game at NT he could be valuable for 2 years.

ChiefGator 07-22-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7763758)
Yes let's settle for a worse player! Makes sense.

Franklin is looking to cash in, and isn't going to sign a 1 or 2 year contract, which is what I think his real worth is to this team.

Williams would.

Skyy God 07-22-2011 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 7763750)
If Pioli trusts that he still has legs, I'll go for it. Dude is old as shit and I can't recall paying much attention to him these past two seasons. I honestly have no idea what he still has left.

Durability isn't a issue.... he's missed 3 games since 2002.

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 7763760)
Franklin is looking to cash in, and isn't going to sign a 1 or 2 year contract, which is what I think his real worth is to this team.

Williams would.

That doesn't equate to him being a better player.

Hammock Parties 07-22-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7763757)
When I watched the Vikings last year they got ran all over. He would also have to move from a 4-3 DT to a 3-4 DT. I'm still voting no on the old fat guy.

#9 run D.

Skyy God 07-22-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7763757)
When I watched the Vikings last year they got ran all over. He would also have to move from a 4-3 DT to a 3-4 DT. I'm still voting no on the old fat guy.

Williams played more snaps in 2010 than 2009..... perhaps the Vikes weren't smart with his use.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-old-solution/

rocknrolla 07-22-2011 10:24 AM

It sounds like a Pioli move, if he still has gas in the tank. One or two year contract. minimal risk. I have no problem with it.

BigCatDaddy 07-22-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7763781)
Williams played more snaps in 2010 than 2009..... perhaps the Vikes weren't smart with his use.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-old-solution/

That translates to a 3-4 DT that can't push the pocket on pass plays.

ChiefGator 07-22-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7763796)
That translates to a 3-4 DT that can't push the pocket on pass plays.

Run stopper only.

BigCatDaddy 07-22-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 7763799)
Run stopper only.

So just play him on 3rd and 1?

Skyy God 07-22-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7763796)
That translates to a 3-4 DT that can't push the pocket on pass plays.

And your problem with that is? It's not like 3-down NTs are available in FA.

MIAdragon 07-22-2011 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7763764)
Durability has not been an issue.... he's missed 3 games since 2002.

FYP

I don't see that continuing much longer at 39 and counting.

mnchiefsguy 07-22-2011 10:42 AM

Honestly, given that the Chiefs may have to spend 20 million or more just to get to the minimum salary floor of a potential new cba, I would have no problem signing him to a two-year deal, with maybe a team option for a third year.

Mr_Tomahawk 07-22-2011 10:45 AM

Why not....it isn't like we are stacked at the position anyways...

Mr. Laz 07-22-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7763755)
IN

but just on a 1 or 2 year deal

Yep ... if they want to bring in Williams instead of bringing back Ron Edwards then it's all good.

Only a short deal though because i don't think Pat Williams has much left.

SAUTO 07-22-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7763827)
Yep ... if they want to bring in Williams instead of bringing back Ron Edwards then it's all good.

Only a short deal though because i don't think Pat Williams has much left.

yep, we cant do both. we need to at least be able to see what powe has.

Chief Roundup 07-22-2011 10:56 AM

Don't mind the idea but he is a 4-3 DT not a 3-4 NT. Has he ever played that position? We always hear about the 3-4 NT is much harder than 4-3 DT because of the double teams and chips.

Chiefnj2 07-22-2011 10:59 AM

No thanks. Develop a younger player for the long haul.

RealSNR 07-22-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7763851)
No thanks. Develop a younger player for the long haul.

Maybe he can teach Powe how to read

SAUTO 07-22-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7763851)
No thanks. Develop a younger player for the long haul.

who?

have you got one in mind?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-22-2011 11:19 AM

Williams > Smith

Saul Good 07-22-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7763840)
yep, we cant do both. we need to at least be able to see what powe has.

I agree, but you can't just assume that a 6th rounder is going to be the solution at the most important position on your defense.

SAUTO 07-22-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7763895)
I agree, but you can't just assume that a 6th rounder is going to be the solution at the most important position on your defense.

hence me saying that we should do williams OR edwards, but not both so we can find out what powe can do for us in the long run

Chiefnj2 07-22-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7763887)
who?

have you got one in mind?

Powe. Sign the kid from Notre Dame next week.

Plus, IIRC, there is a fair chance Williams will be suspended for the starcaps thing.

mcaj22 07-22-2011 11:59 AM

so put the entire bane of run stopping and anchor of a 3-4 d-line defense on a rookie 6th round draft pick for 16 games of a 1st place schedule?

and expect an improvement from last year?

those are some high expectations if you ask me.

Chiefnj2 07-22-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 7763972)
so put the entire bane of run stopping and anchor of a 3-4 d-line defense on a rookie 6th round draft pick for 16 games of a 1st place schedule?

and expect an improvement from last year?

those are some high expectations if you ask me.

Bring back Smith or Edwards who are familiar with the system and have some 34 experience and give playing time to younger guys. Why waste 1-2 years on a guy who won't be around and who is likely to be suspended?

Hammock Parties 07-22-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7763978)
Why waste 1-2 years on a guy who won't be around and who is likely to be suspended?

To give yourself a chance at the Super Bowl.

Okie_Apparition 07-22-2011 12:05 PM

After seeing how much they have to spend. A would bet a lot of FAs mention KC & Tampa Bay. I wonder if any will mention Cincinnati?

The Bad Guy 07-22-2011 12:07 PM

I'd take him instead of giving 5 years to Franklin.

Regardless, there are options at NT.

Skyy God 07-22-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7763945)
Powe. Sign the kid from Notre Dame next week.

Plus, IIRC, there is a fair chance Williams will be suspended for the starcaps thing.

Rookie 6th rounders and UDFAs, the cornerstone of any successful playoff-caliber defense. ;)

-King- 07-22-2011 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7763983)
To give yourself a chance at the Super Bowl.

I just had a heart attack. Who woulda thought we'd be talking about contending for a superbowl in 2011 a could years ago?
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Chiefnj2 07-22-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7764021)
Rookie 6th rounders and UDFAs, the cornerstone of any successful playoff-caliber defense. ;)

I guess the team should rely on a 38 year old undrafted player then.

MoreLemonPledge 07-22-2011 12:44 PM

HE CAN START FOR ONE YEAR AND NEXT YEAR POWE CAN COME IN AND HE WILL BE READY TO BE A PRO BOWLER

/cp

Skyy God 07-22-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7764060)
I guess the team should rely on a 38 year old undrafted player then.

He's been to 3 pro bowls in the last 5 years, who cares where he was drafted.

SAUTO 07-22-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie (Post 7764081)
He's been to 3 pro bowls in the last 5 years, who cares where he was drafted.

lol. true that

Chris Meck 07-22-2011 01:17 PM

a one year deal in a heartbeat. Who better to show Powe how it's done? And he'll be inexpensive. win-win.

bevischief 07-22-2011 01:29 PM

If the price is right for 1 or 2 yrs. Sounds Pioli like move.

Bump 07-22-2011 01:31 PM

ya, sure. I mean, why the hell not?

Direckshun 07-22-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 7764167)
a one year deal in a heartbeat. Who better to show Powe how it's done? And he'll be inexpensive. win-win.

Bingo.

I'd sign Williams in a heartbeat to a Chris Chambers-like two year deal. Give him the one year, he'll be cheap to cut next year if we need to.

aturnis 07-22-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7763851)
No thanks. Develop a younger player for the long haul.

I believe that if you want to develop a young player, then this is just the move you would like to make. Powe and a UDFA aren't going to be a good enough rotation for the season. Williams would come in for one year, and rotate with Powe, you know, like Vrabel did with Studebaker. If you sign any other NT to a long term contract, you are screwing Powe's development.

ChiefMojo 07-22-2011 02:03 PM

Sure getting someone like Aubrayo Franklin does sound very nice and he would help us spend the money we need to by rule, but if Pat Williams wants to become a Chief, that would be tough to turn down.

Sign Pat to a 1 or 2 year deal and then spend the extra money you could have on Franklin on trying to re-sign our own players to longer term deals.

Regardless who we go after, money shouldn't be a issue... we have PLENTY to spend.

Just Passin' By 07-22-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7763807)
So just play him on 3rd and 1?

You take out the run stopping NT on subpackages, when you go into a nickel/dime defense and line up pass rushers along the LOS. There's nothing really groundbreaking in that.

BossChief 07-22-2011 03:39 PM

KC is a winning team on the rise and has ooplas of cap space we have to spend.

Free Agents will be beating our door down once the time comes.

...

Would he be ok with splitting snaps with our golden boy?

John Henderson.

RealSNR 07-22-2011 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7764591)
KC is a winning team on the rise and has ooplas of cap space we have to spend.

Free Agents will be beating our door down once the time comes.

...

Would he be ok with splitting snaps with our golden boy?

John Henderson.

John Henderson would be playing nose?

Fritz88 07-22-2011 03:40 PM

Sorry, I can't read that.

BossChief 07-22-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7764593)
John Henderson would be playing nose?

Only when his services aren't needed to back up Asamoah as our starting left tackle.

MoreLemonPledge 07-22-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7764659)
Only when his services aren't needed to back up Bobby Sippio as our starting left tackle.

FYP

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 03:59 PM

Goodness we have 35 million in cap space why are we suggesting all these washed up players?

SAUTO 07-22-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7764671)
Goodness we have 35 million in cap space why are we suggesting all these washed up players?

there are some that would ask you the same thing

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7764673)
there are some that would ask you the same thing

Who's washed up?

SAUTO 07-22-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7764680)
Who's washed up?

well there have been a TON of people tell you that franklin isnt worth signing. and he's done when he gets paid.


he was absolutely DOMINATED by weigman( a washed up guy in your opinion) in that game.

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7764697)
well there have been a TON of people tell you that franklin isnt worth signing. and he's done when he gets paid.


he was absolutely DOMINATED by weigman( a washed up guy in your opinion) in that game.

1 game doesn't define a players season and as BossChief pointed if theres anyone who can motivate Franklin it would be Romeo. I'll defer to Pioli and Romeo's judgement on Franklin. If they don't think they can motivate him to play then he's not worth signing.

Regarding Williams: He's 39 and is facing a suspension this year. I don't see how that helps. Defensive Nose Tackle is should be a priority for this team once free agency begins.

SAUTO 07-22-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7764710)
1 game doesn't define a players season and as BossChief pointed if theres anyone who can motivate Franklin it would be Romeo. I'll defer to Pioli and Romeo's judgement on Franklin. If they don't think they can motivate him to play then he's not worth signing.

Regarding Williams: He's 39 and is facing a suspension this year. I don't see how that helps. Defensive Nose Tackle is should be a priority for this team once free agency begins.

he's been facing that same suspension for SEVERAL years. nothing has come of it

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7764725)
he's been facing that same suspension for SEVERAL years. nothing has come of it

Because it went to court. They finally made a ruling in April.


http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...lliams/4641763

BossChief 07-22-2011 04:36 PM

So, the case got decided while the lockout was in effect?

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7764767)
So, the case got decided while the lockout was in effect?

Yes in April. Why wouldn't they?

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 05:52 PM

I'll throw another name out there who's underrated: Anthony Adams. I doubt he'll command a huge salary but he's a pretty good player.

BossChief 07-22-2011 05:57 PM

I was just asking because I still think it would be bogus as hell for the NFL to be able to punish players for their actions while they were told they didn't work for them till a new deal is agreed upon.

If the courts punishment of the player causes him to miss team functions of some sort, that's a different story...but if a player is "laid off" he shouldn't be punished for his actions when he wasn't an employee.

Jmo

CoMoChief 07-22-2011 05:58 PM

Sign him and Franklin.....hey we got the money, and we need depth at that position.

Reaper16 07-22-2011 06:09 PM

Shit yeah. You can't lean on him, but he's a great fit in a NT rotation (which is pretty much what we have, or should aspire to, since we don't have a true starting-caliber NT).

Titty Meat 07-22-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7764915)
I was just asking because I still think it would be bogus as hell for the NFL to be able to punish players for their actions while they were told they didn't work for them till a new deal is agreed upon.

If the courts punishment of the player causes him to miss team functions of some sort, that's a different story...but if a player is "laid off" he shouldn't be punished for his actions when he wasn't an employee.

Jmo

My understanding is the whole thing was a bunch of legal bullshit that i'm not even going attempt to read or understand because as we've seen this week/month they're all ****ing pricks.

JohnnyV13 07-22-2011 06:29 PM

Clayton,

In the "3 free agents" thread, I already made the case for signing Pat Williams, probably more than a week ago.

BossChief 07-22-2011 06:30 PM

FTR

Williams (without a suspension) would be a better option for us going forward IMO than Franklin would.

I doubt very highly that he has more than one good season left (and another one after that of average to below average quality) but he would help our defense immensely in the regular and post season.

I still think there will be better options that hit the open market before this is all said and done. We haven't even seen the vet cuts yet.

Pat could probably help Powe transition as well. Quality vet run plugger.

Seems a little like a Tractor Traylor type pickup by the early pats.

milkman 07-22-2011 08:46 PM

I still think that Chris Hoke, as things stnd right now, is the best option on the market.

Easy 6 07-23-2011 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7763759)
In my mind we're in "win now" mode.

If he can give us 25 snaps a game at NT he could be valuable for 2 years.

yup

Direckshun 07-23-2011 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7765210)
I still think that Chris Hoke, as things stnd right now, is the best option on the market.

Bing.

Go.

Hammock Parties 07-23-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 7764971)
Clayton,

In the "3 free agents" thread, I already made the case for signing Pat Williams, probably more than a week ago.

Well hello Mr. Fancypants.

aturnis 07-23-2011 10:19 PM

From ProFootballFocus...

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Making the Grade: 3-4 Defensive Linemen, 2008-2010
July 8th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed

After taking a look at those defensive linemen who have predominantly played in a 4-3 the past three years, we’re going to shift our focus to the oft-forgotten 3-4 defensive linemen. Outside of a few names, they get overlooked because of defensive schemes that accentuate the prolific pass rushers playing with their hand off the ground, but today they have the spotlight to themselves.

That’s right, we’re going to look at the Top 5 3-4 defensive ends and the Top 5 nose tackles since 2008 to give these guys their due.

Someone had to, right?

3-4 Defensive Ends

1. Justin Smith, San Francisco 49ers

If you’ve been reading Pro Football Focus the past three years this probably won’t come as much of a shock to you. An every-down nuisance, it doesn’t matter if you run the ball or throw it, Smith is going to have an impact on the play. Had a great year in 2008 as the 49ers switched back and forth between 3-4 and 4-3, but thrived when they moved full time to a 3-4. Simply in a class of his own, there isn’t another player in the league so dominant in comparison to his position peers.

Grade: +106.10

2. Randy Starks, Miami Dolphins

If we’re going to be completely honest, 2010 wasn’t the best year for Starks. Whether it was the aborted move to nose tackle or just one of those seasons, he never quite hit the heights of years gone by (especially his superb 2009). He still wreaked plenty of havoc with 31 quarterback disruptions so it’s certainly no slight, but when you can be as good in every phase of the game as he was back in ’09, you want to see more of it.

Grade: +50.80

3. Cullen Jenkins, Green Bay Packers

When free agency opens, someone will do well to get Jenkins in for a visit and not to let him leave before he signs a contract. He may not be the best run defender in the world (though it doesn’t help playing with a club on your hand), but he’s a fearsome pass rusher and coped with a change in defensive scheme with ease. Was so good in a 4-3 that he could be a target for any number of teams.

Grade: +49.93

4. Kendall Langford, Miami Dolphins

Another Dolphin who has quietly become better each season since entering the league. Solid as a rookie, Langford’s performance got more and more encouraging throughout 2009. That led into an excellent 2010 where he finished the year our No. 5 ranked 3-4 end, impressing almost as much for the run defense that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet as for his pass rushing. Steadily improving; what does 2011 have in store?

Grade: +36.55

5. Calais Campbell, Arizona Cardinals

It may surprise some that this is the Cardinal who makes the list. Certainly not as flashy as his partner in crime, Darnell Dockett, Campbell has really come to the forefront since a breakout 2009 season. A more consistent pass rusher than Dockett (he has more pressures on fewer snaps), Campbell will be looking to improve on a patchy 2010.

Grade: +31.10

Nose Tackles

1. Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys

It’s a weird thing to write when you’re calling someone the best player at their position over the past three years, but Ratliff may be a little overrated. Certainly, the last two years haven’t brought with them the kind of dominance he displayed in 2008, but the praise aimed his way has increased. To be diplomatic, maybe we can put that down to his ’08 being criminally underrated. In any case, has it in him to be one of the most explosive defensive tackles in the league, even if it can sometimes be used against him.

Grade: +42.35

2. Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots

A smidgen of controversy here. As a pure nose tackle built to shut down a team’s running game, Wilfork is unquestionable a better player than Ratliff. But, the Cowboy has more versatility to his game and can get at the quarterback, something Wilfork has never been particularly consistent at. You can excuse that, though, when you’re as stout and disruptive in run defense as Wilfork. His yearly meetings with Nick Mangold are some of the most anticipated trench battles of the year.

Grade: +41.68

3. Sione Pouha, New York Jets

So the Jets lose Kris Jenkins and what happens? A beast of a man steps up and proceeds to swallow up anything that comes his way. Pouha is never going to get confused with the man just one spot below him, but you simply can’t move the big Jet out of the way. Of all the players on the Jets defense, Pouha (and Mike DeVito) are the most under appreciated by observers, but you need only zero in on them in detail to see how valuable they are to Rex Ryan.

Grade: +41.28

4. Shaun Rogers, Cleveland Browns

The shame for Rogers is a new coach came in and wanted to run with a more traditional nose tackle. Thus, a player who likes to get up field and disrupt plays with a freaky blend of speed and power was limited to a situational role and kind of wasted. Now he excelled in that the past two years, but we simply didn’t get to see enough of Rogers, otherwise it’s a very strong possibility he would been even higher on this list.

Grade: +39.03

5. Aubrayo Franklin, San Francisco 49ers

If this was just about what a player offers his team in run defense, Franklin may have been top of the pile such is his impact on that area of the game. It’s why some team will pay him a lot of money to shore up their defensive interior, and rightly so. He’s exceptional at it. But, you have to remember he does spend a number of snaps rushing the passer, and for a number of those snaps he may as well not be on the field. Still, if a team is going to try to run on you, you want Franklin on the nose.

Grade: +30.48


BossChief 07-23-2011 11:40 PM

Why did you highlight Pouha?


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