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Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 08:11 AM

Branden Albert is innocent.
 
I think these screenshots show that Albert is just fine (other than a play or two) and Richardson (as usual) is the real issue.

This is every pass play we ran save one, which was a 20-yard completion to Urban.

#1 - Play-action fake, 0 pressure. Cassel is late with the throw, incomplete. Looks like Richardson is holding. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/1.jpg

#2 - Another play fake, Moeaki, not Albert, gets beaten by the defensive end. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/2.jpg

#3 - Quick screen to some scrub. 0 pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/3.jpg

#4 - Another play fake, the blitz comes up the middle and Charles can't get in position to pick it up. Richardson is getting beat around the edge. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/4.jpg

#5 - Straight drop, 0 pressure, Mo drops it. Mo is having a shitty preseason. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/5.jpg

#6 - Straight drop, 0 pressure, scrub makes an exciting catch for two yards.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/6.jpg

#7 - Middle screen, Rams sniff it out and it's dead.

[IMG]http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/7.jpg[/IMG]

#8 - Straight drop, 0 pressure, complete to Steve Titty. Looks like Richardson is holding again. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/8.jpg

#9 - Wiegmann snaps the ball early and both tackles get "beat." Either this is on Wiegmann or everyone else didn't know the snap count, because they all get out of their stances late. Albert is guilty of being as dumb as everyone else or smarter than Wiegmann.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/9.jpg

#10 - Palko's in, 0 pressure, pass to breasts.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/10.jpg

#11 - Rams blitz #24, Palko hits his hot read (some scrub). No pressure from Albert's man.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/11.jpg

#12 -Nice pocket, no pressure from Albert's man.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/12.jpg

#13 -Richardson gets beat, gets called for holding. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/13.jpg

#14 -Quick pass, both tackles cut their man. Sort of a shitty cut on Albert's part but, eh, irrelevant....and innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/14.jpg

#15 - Albert and Richardson ride their men out of the play, Palko steps up into a clean pocket and overthrows Mo. Albert is innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/15.jpg

#16 - Screen pass.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/16.jpg

#17 - Richardson gets beat, some scrub gets destroyed on the blitz pickup. Complete to Urban.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/17.jpg

#18 - Albert gets beat horribly. This is the first true pressure Albert allows during the entire game so far. Cassel escapes and dumps it to a scrub. Albert is guilty of giving up Richardson-like pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/18.jpg

#19 - Cassel's pass is batted at the line. 0 pressure.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/19.jpg

#20 - Throw to Bowe who is interfered with, no call. Albert's man gets to the inside but stops as soon as the ball is thrown. Albert could have recovered most likely. End result: innocent.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/ALBERT/20.jpg

Anyway, one guy can play his position, one guy is a disaster.

FIN

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 08:12 AM

Here's the gif of the blown snap count play:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/argh.gif

Crush 08-27-2011 08:16 AM

CASSEL ONLY NEEDS 7 TO 10 SECONDS.

Los Pollos Hermanos 08-27-2011 08:17 AM

The "scrub player" had a pretty good game last night.

chiefzilla1501 08-27-2011 08:18 AM

Wow.

Lawyered.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 7855446)
The "scrub player" had a pretty good game last night.

Eh, he did nothing special whatsoever.

Bane 08-27-2011 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 7855444)
CASSEL ONLY NEEDS 7 TO 10 SECONDS.

And a $200 million roster around him!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!ROFL

Crush 08-27-2011 08:21 AM

Richardson is indeed horrible. He is the Jackie Battle of RTs.

threebag 08-27-2011 08:21 AM

Albert is innocent.

morphius 08-27-2011 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 7855450)
Richardson is indeed horrible. He is the Jackie Battle of RTs.

Richardson was getting destroyed by the second team players, it was pathetic.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 08:27 AM

thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 08:32 AM

In Richardson's defense, Chris Long is going to be an elite DE in this league, and we were running a pass-first offense last night, trying to get something going deep.

We won't start many games like that this year.

CoMoChief 08-27-2011 08:37 AM

Cassel still sucks.....horrible accuracy even if he does get time.

milkman 08-27-2011 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855455)
thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855461)
Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

yup....refs did us no favors last night

Backwards Masking 08-27-2011 08:46 AM

I've been very happy with Alberts play for the most part over the last year or so (minus some miscues). Hudson played well last night as well. Clearly Richardson is the one not pulling his weight.

Great videos GoChiefs, really easy to anaylze who's playing well and who isn't when you have them all next to each other and ready to play. Appreciate it.

Cassel had better play better come regular season. I think turning it on come a real game is going to be difficult, but he did it last year (sort of). I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in the meantime, but man I watch these clips and it's hard not to worry.

KCrockaholic 08-27-2011 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855461)
Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

Check Richardson on that play. I heard the call was actually meant to be on Richardson. Which would be stupid considering it would be in the opposite direction of the play being ran.

Three7s 08-27-2011 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855461)
Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

The refs did seem to be calling just about every single penalty that even looked CLOSE to a penalty. I doubt some of those are called in the regular season.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855461)
Hudson had a hand in blowing that hole open, and the holding call was a bad call.

That block by Hudson was textbook.

Sure? I have seen this called holding before.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21oq1y9.jpg

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855474)
Sure? I have seen this called holding before.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21oq1y9.jpg

albert rides his man out of the play and picks up a second defender keeping charles clean


nice

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 08:52 AM

I'd like to see a full GIF of #5, please.

I don't have access to the replay, but from what I remember, Mo was open and Cassel overshot him.

The Bad Guy 08-27-2011 08:53 AM

Richardson is ****ing dog shit. He's one of the worst RTs in the entire league. Replace him immediately. His play is unacceptable.

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855474)
Sure? I have seen this called holding before.

http://i56.tinypic.com/21oq1y9.jpg

That's holding every single time.

The Rams DL was getting off the block, and Hudson grabbed him.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7855481)
I'd like to see a full GIF of #5, please.

I don't have access to the replay, but from what I remember, Mo was open and Cassel overshot him.

The pass was a little bit high, but catchable.

milkman 08-27-2011 09:00 AM

That gif of Hudson's block isn't working for me.
For some reason, there is a gif here and there that just aren't running completely through, like they get stuck.

This is one of those.

But from waht I saw last night, Hudson gets his hands under the pads and keeps his man engaged.

Looked like the defender lost his balance when Hudson disengages.

But as I said last night, I wasn't watching closely, so I'll take a closer look when I rewatch the game.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855455)
thanks for this


albert is good enough....people refuse to hold cassel accountable, so they blame albert


and yeah, richardson was ass last night...but really only 1 of our 3 QBs looked nervous in the pocket...too bad it was our starter

and on Charles' TD run that was called back...Albert blew the hole wide open...dude is nails as a run blocker

Exactly right - well almost.

You forgot to speak to sacoshit, who's still asshurt that we have the best safety in football on our team instead of Okung, so he'll blister Albert any chance he gets.

Even from the stands you could tell that Albert was having a very nice game and that Richardson...well, he was not. Frankly, he had as bad a game as I've ever seen from an O-Lineman and I watched 2 seasons of Jordan Black.

It also appeared that Studebaker had a miserable game from where I sat as well, but that's a hijack for a different day. He and Jackson were completely incapable of holding the edge.

The 3 worst players on the field yesterday were Richardson, Stude and Jackson.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 09:04 AM

i can see why they made the call on hudson...he's got his hands on the defender, when the defender lunges at charles it looks like Hudson is bringing him down....really depends on which angle the ref is seeing it from

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855484)
The pass was a little bit high, but catchable.

I'd still like to see it when you have time.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855496)
Exactly right - well almost.

You forgot to speak to sacoshit, who's still asshurt that we have the best safety in football on our team instead of Okung, so he'll blister Albert any chance he gets.

Even from the stands you could tell that Albert was having a very nice game and that Richardson...well, he was not. Frankly, he had as bad a game as I've ever seen from an O-Lineman and I watched 2 seasons of Jordan Black.

It also appeared that Studebaker had a miserable game from where I sat as well, but that's a hijack for a different day. He and Jackson were completely incapable of holding the edge.

The 3 worst players on the field yesterday were Richardson, Stude and Jackson.


amazing how Stude's limitations are suddenly clearer when he's replaced by Houston....everything Houston does screams Talent...though he still has a lot to learn, he got washed out on some running plays

Jackson is more active, but still not stout at the los..

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:08 AM

Sorry Clay but screen shots and smartly edited GIFs won't be able to justify your love for Albert. Albert and Richardson played like ass last night period. After breaking down the tape I think Albert looks totally lost at times in these zone blocking schemes so some of his apparent regression rests squarely on the coaching staff. Good gawd look at pic #2, if that's all our LT has to offer in pass protection we might as well line up Pope over there and cover him with Moeaki.

After last week and looking at pic #14 I think the coaching staff better wise up and and quit depending on Albert to execute a decent cut block because either 1-he sucks at it and doesn't have the skill to make consistent cut blocks or 2- he hasn't been adequately coached to execute the block effectively.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7855498)
I'd still like to see it when you have time.

It's very blurry. From what I can tell Mo was late reacting to the ball.

milkman 08-27-2011 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855497)
i can see why they made the call on hudson...he's got his hands on the defender, when the defender lunges at charles it looks like Hudson is bringing him down....really depends on which angle the ref is seeing it from

And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855503)
Sorry Clay but screen shots and smartly edited GIFs won't be able to justify your love for Albert.

Haha, what?

The guy gave up one legit pressure all night.

You're blind if you see anything else. Period.

Accusing me of editing gifs....nice....**** yourself.

This has nothing to do with "love" for Albert. I'm just committed to the truth about Albert and people are being unfair. A lot of idiots see pressure coming from the blindside and don't even realize it was the TE blowing the block.

Quote:

Good gawd look at pic #2, if that's all our LT has to offer in pass protection we might as well line up Pope over there and cover him with Moeaki.
It was a play-action fake. Albert carried out his run fake and then turned around and saw Moeaki getting absolutely beasted by the DE. Not sure how that's his fault.

As for the cut block, it had exactly 0 impact on the play.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855505)
And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

yeah, i thought that was an obvious call....life in the nfl

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855505)
And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

The officiating was pathetic last night. After re-watching it the Rams OL was blatantly holding consistently and getting away with it.

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855505)
And yet, there was a play in which Bowe was essentially getting mugged by the DB, and it appears the back judge was looking directly at them, and there was no flag.

I'd like to see that play again as well.

From what I remember, Bowe was jammed at his break, which is legal.

The defender had perfect coverage on him the entire route, and I don't recall him grabbing or hooking Bowe. Remember, he can have a hand on his back, and it's perfectly legal. Just can't grab or hook an arm.

Again, I'm going from memory, but it just looked like good coverage to me.

The bigger question is why we're running a 6 yard route on 3rd and (IIRC) 9 or 10.

Rams Fan 08-27-2011 09:15 AM

The play you're talking about is Fletcher breaking up a pass with Bowe.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7855509)
I'd like to see that play again as well.

From what I remember, Bowe was jammed at his break, which is legal.

The defender had perfect coverage on him the entire route, and I don't recall him grabbing or hooking Bowe. Remember, he can have a hand on his back, and it's perfectly legal. Just can't grab or hook an arm.

Again, I'm going from memory, but it just looked like good coverage to me.

The bigger question is why we're running a 6 yard route on 3rd and (IIRC) 9 or 10.

I saved this play....and he definitely got interfered with. It'll be in this week's Gif'd Up. The ball is in the air and the DB is all over Bowe.

milkman 08-27-2011 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855497)
i can see why they made the call on hudson...he's got his hands on the defender, when the defender lunges at charles it looks like Hudson is bringing him down....really depends on which angle the ref is seeing it from

I can see why they call it, but from where I sat, Hudson has his hads under the pads, and when the defender tries to disingage and lunges, Hudson gives him a push that knocks him off balance which helps him to the ground quicker.

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855506)
Haha, what?

The guy gave up one legit pressure all night.

You're blind if you see anything else. Period.

Accusing me of editing gifs....nice....**** yourself.

This has nothing to do with "love" for Albert. I'm just committed to the truth about Albert and people are being unfair. A lot of idiots see pressure coming from the blindside and don't even realize it was the TE blowing the block.



It was a play-action fake. Albert carried out his run fake and then turned around and saw Moeaki getting absolutely beasted by the DE. Not sure how that's his fault.

As for the cut block, it had exactly 0 impact on the play.

I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

Rams Fan 08-27-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855513)
I saved this play....and he definitely got interfered with. It'll be in this week's Gif'd Up. The ball is in the air and the DB is all over Bowe.

Better be a Mikell highlight in there.

milkman 08-27-2011 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855502)
amazing how Stude's limitations are suddenly clearer when he's replaced by Houston....everything Houston does screams Talent...though he still has a lot to learn, he got washed out on some running plays

Jackson is more active, but still not stout at the los..

Studebaker's limitations are made clearer by Sheffield, as well.

Sheffield is not only a faster, more athletic pass rusher, but he was better in run defense last night as well, and it wasn't even close.

Houston is just a freak.

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855516)
I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

I don't see a HOFer, but comparing Albert to Richardson is wrong. Albert is an average left tackle, maybe a tad better. Richardson is a disaster.

One pressure in 20 snaps is not an issue as far as I'm concerned.

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855514)
I can see why they call it, but from where I sat, Hudson has his hads under the pads, and when the defender tries to disingage and lunges, Hudson gives him a push that knocks him off balance which helps him to the ground quicker.

Hudson did have his hands under the pads. To start.

To me, it looks like when the DL tries to disengage, Hudson moves his hand from a legal hold under the pads, to the outside, underneath the armpit - grabbing the outside of the chest plate.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855502)
amazing how Stude's limitations are suddenly clearer when he's replaced by Houston....everything Houston does screams Talent...though he still has a lot to learn, he got washed out on some running plays

Jackson is more active, but still not stout at the los..

Houston had better be a player.

If not, it's going to be a long year against the rush. And with Belcher's issues in pass coverage and often playing the strong side, the left side of our defense is going to be abused if that's the best we can do.

TRR 08-27-2011 09:20 AM

#1: Late or not, it hit Bowe right in the chest. He has to catch that ball if he considers himself elite. That has to be caught by an NFL receiver.

#2: Albert blocked nobody on that play. He has to help Moeaki on that play and Moeaki has to funnel the rusher inside rather than get beat outside. Albert needs to understand that he needs to get out and help Moeaki singled up.
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OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855513)
I saved this play....and he definitely got interfered with. It'll be in this week's Gif'd Up. The ball is in the air and the DB is all over Bowe.

And he can be right on him - that's his job.

Now, if he grabbed Bowe or hooked an arm, that's a different story.

Personally, I'm more concerned that we're running routes short of the marker on 3rd down. Again.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855522)
Houston had better be a player.

If not, it's going to be a long year against the rush. And with Belcher's issues in pass coverage and often playing the strong side, the left side of our defense is going to be abused if that's the best we can do.

i think Houston just needs reps, and needs experience so he knows what's coming at him....at Georgia he was mostly just attacking the QB


he'll have some rough rookie moments, like Berry...but from what i've seen, he's better than i thought and will pick it up

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855516)
I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

If you don't have blinders on, you should probably give spectacles a shot.

Brandon Albert is a fine LT. He's not a Pro-Bowler, but he's easily an average tackle. And moreover, with his feet and his build, he still has a lot of room for growth.

Gaither, if healthy, would be a better LT than Albert but that's no indictment on Albert. Alberts a good player, Gaither's a better one - such is life.

The 'serious issues' on our line last night came from the RT, TE and RBs that couldn't be counted on in blitz pickup. If you think otherwise, you're just seeing what you want to see.

Brock 08-27-2011 09:25 AM

Cassel shits the bed - Blame Albert

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7855528)
i think Houston just needs reps, and needs experience so he knows what's coming at him....at Georgia he was mostly just attacking the QB


he'll have some rough rookie moments, like Berry...but from what i've seen, he's better than i thought and will pick it up

He's definitely got a shit-ton of talent, but he's really raw. Going to be a lot of growing pains.

I'd rather go through his growing pains this year than watch Studebaker though.

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855520)
I don't see a HOFer, but comparing Albert to Richardson is wrong. Albert is an average left tackle, maybe a tad better. Richardson is a disaster.

One pressure in 20 snaps is not an issue as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not comparing them because that would be apples to oranges at this point. If they would try Gaither at LT and Albert at RT or vice versus I could make a comparison but right now O'Failahan is the only thing I have to compare and we all know that he isn't the answer.

Brock 08-27-2011 09:27 AM

Albert forgot to tell Cassel you can't call a timeout after a timeout!

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 7855523)
#1: Late or not, it hit Bowe right in the chest. He has to catch that ball if he considers himself elite. That has to be caught by an NFL receiver.

#2: Albert blocked nobody on that play. He has to help Moeaki on that play and Moeaki has to funnel the rusher inside rather than get beat outside. Albert needs to understand that he needs to get out and help Moeaki singled up.
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His job was not to help Moeaki. His job was to carry out a run fake on the d-line in front of him.

Albert can't act like he's pass blocking....it's a run fake for crying out loud.

OnTheWarpath15 08-27-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855531)
If you don't have blinders on, you should probably give spectacles a shot.

Brandon Albert is a fine LT. He's not a Pro-Bowler, but he's easily an average tackle. And moreover, with his feet and his build, he still has a lot of room for growth.

Gaither, if healthy, would be a better LT than Albert but that's no indictment on Albert. Alberts a good player, Gaither's a better one - such is life.

The 'serious issues' on our line last night came from the RT, TE and RBs that couldn't be counted on in blitz pickup. If you think otherwise, you're just seeing what you want to see.

The shame of it is, Albert's potential is so much higher, and he's not reaching it.

Dude was pretty ****ing solid his rookie year. Then the coaching change happened, and he's regressed.

I think Muir holds a lot of blame as to why this kid has seemed to stall.

And what the **** is with the goddamn cut blocks?

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR (Post 7855523)
#1: Late or not, it hit Bowe right in the chest. He has to catch that ball if he considers himself elite. That has to be caught by an NFL receiver.

#2: Albert blocked nobody on that play. He has to help Moeaki on that play and Moeaki has to funnel the rusher inside rather than get beat outside. Albert needs to understand that he needs to get out and help Moeaki singled up.
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Regarding 2 - how?

He had to sell his run block - yes? It was an outside rush from the DE and Moeaki was a damn freeway to the QB. Even had Albert turned and sprinted from the line, just exactly how was he going to help Moeaki there? Moeaki made matters even worse by routing the lineman even further away from his help.

There was absolutely nothing that Albert could have done on that play. He doesn't have rockets in his ass and the DE wasn't going to stop running to give him a chance to get back and protect. Had Moeaki provided even marginal protect and routed his man inside, you can see that Albert was on his way back to clean it up.

That was 100% Moeaki (and being outschemed).

chiefzilla1501 08-27-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855516)
I wish I could put on the blinders and see the future HOF LT you are seeing but I can't. Our OL has serious issues and they start at the tackle positions.

I don't think he's saying he's a HOFer. You're saying he's a serious issue. The gifs aren't perfect, but I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that he's a serious issue unless he had already made up his mind prior to seeing this thread. He has his guy locked up on most plays. There are less than a handful where he looked like he isn't, and in the few that he isn't, there were a few where someone else blew their assignment.

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855531)
If you don't have blinders on, you should probably give spectacles a shot.

Brandon Albert is a fine LT. He's not a Pro-Bowler, but he's easily an average tackle. And moreover, with his feet and his build, he still has a lot of room for growth.

Gaither, if healthy, would be a better LT than Albert but that's no indictment on Albert. Alberts a good player, Gaither's a better one - such is life.

The 'serious issues' on our line last night came from the RT, TE and RBs that couldn't be counted on in blitz pickup. If you think otherwise, you're just seeing what you want to see.

I agree with most of what you say except that Albert has a lot of room for growth. If your right and he has a lot of room for growth I don't believe that growth will occur at LT.

chiefzilla1501 08-27-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7855547)
I don't think he's saying he's a HOFer. You're saying he's a serious issue. The gifs aren't perfect, but I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that he's a serious issue unless he had already made up his mind prior to seeing this thread. He has his guy locked up on most plays. There are less than a handful where he looked like he isn't, and in the few that he isn't, there were a few where someone else blew their assignment.

And again, critiquing about a cut block is ticky-tack. Again, the main goal is to just deter the pass rusher's progress so the QB can get off a quick pass. 9 times out of 10 in those situations, unless you flat out blow your cut, the pass rusher isn't going to come close to getting to the QB.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855549)
I agree with most of what you say except that Albert has a lot of room for growth. If your right and he has a lot of room for growth I don't believe that growth will occur at LT.

The physical ability is there.

His frame is ideal for a LT (well actually, Gaither's is, but Gaither's a freak). And his feet really are quick. Every now and then you'll see him lock it in for a few plays and you'll see just how talented he is.

What separates Albert from the truly excellent LTs is consistency. When Albert is playing well, there are few better. But the problem is that he's still so raw at T that his technique abandons him on a fair occasion.

He's big, he has long arms and quick feet. He's played 3 seasons of tackle after playing guard through most of college. As a rookie he did so quite admirably and even over the last couple of years he's shown flashes of excellence.

How can you not see significant room for growth there?

milkman 08-27-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7855545)
And what the **** is with the goddamn cut blocks?

Cut blocks have always been one of Muir's favorite pass block techniue's.

One of the reasons I hated it when he was hired.

the Talking Can 08-27-2011 09:35 AM

people need to take out their frustrations on the right people:

Richardson..was terrible

blitz pick up...whole squad seems to struggle with this

Cassel...makes everything hard...the play has to be perfect for him to operate, which is unreasonable in the nfl...he's spooked in the pocket, locks on to WR, and doesn't read the field



Albert....does his job, but unspectacular-ly, so people wail that he isn't Roaf...

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7855553)
And again, critiquing about a cut block is ticky-tack. Again, the main goal is to just deter the pass rusher's progress so the QB can get off a quick pass. 9 times out of 10 in those situations, unless you flat out blow your cut, the pass rusher isn't going to come close to getting to the QB.

He's flat out blowing his cut blocks unless head butting the DE's shoe and getting a minor concussion is considered a successful cut block.

WhiteWhale 08-27-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7855561)
Cut blocks have always been one of Muir's favorite pass block techniue's.

One of the reasons I hated it when he was hired.

Yeah, I don't like it either.

Albert is particularly bad at cut blocking on those 3 step drops. Lots of times he doesn't even slow his rusher down. There are things that some guys aren't good at, and it's up to coaches and scheme to cover up those warts.

Nobody NEEDS Albert to cut block on passing plays, and he's not good at it. Why is he still doing it?

Hammock Parties 08-27-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855563)
He's flat out blowing his cut blocks unless head butting the DE's shoe and getting a minor concussion is considered a successful cut block.

Tamba Hali sucks in coverage....guess he's terrible

chiefzilla1501 08-27-2011 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855559)
The physical ability is there.

His frame is ideal for a LT (well actually, Gaither's is, but Gaither's a freak). And his feet really are quick. Every now and then you'll see him lock it in for a few plays and you'll see just how talented he is.

What separates Albert from the truly excellent LTs is consistency. When Albert is playing well, there are few better. But the problem is that he's still so raw at T that his technique abandons him on a fair occasion.

He's big, he has long arms and quick feet. He's played 3 seasons of tackle after playing guard through most of college. As a rookie he did so quite admirably and even over the last couple of years he's shown flashes of excellence.

How can you not see significant room for growth there?

Not to mention that most of our criticisms are on the pass blocking side. He's a terrific run blocker, and you're right, it's hard to deny that he's improving on the pass blocking side (then again... we'll see how he does once teams start throwing the book at the Chiefs)

chiefzilla1501 08-27-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855563)
He's flat out blowing his cut blocks unless head butting the DE's shoe and getting a minor concussion is considered a successful cut block.

And in those situations where he did, the QB easily got the throw off without pressure.

He obviously has to get better at it. But it's really not that important to throw an overwhelming cut block on those 3-step drop quick passes.

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7855566)
Tamba Hali sucks in coverage....guess he's terrible

Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.

RealSNR 08-27-2011 09:47 AM

Gaither said he'd probably play RT, yeah? That's what he was doing in practice before his minor week-long injury?

If that's the case there's hope for this offensive line after all. It could end up being just fine as long as we keep the injuries at the tackle spots down.

Interior depth is just fine. The guards and tackles didn't skip a beat with Lilja out. Hudson's pretty awesome.

lcarus 08-27-2011 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 7855471)
The refs did seem to be calling just about every single penalty that even looked CLOSE to a penalty. I doubt some of those are called in the regular season.

From my perspective, I was so hungry for a positive play on offense, that when they called holding on several positive plays, I felt we were being screwed. But that was just my emotion. Looking back at them, especially the Charles TD, they were the correct calls. For the most part anyway.

RealSNR 08-27-2011 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855577)
Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.

You still haven't delivered one shred of evidence to dispute Clay's claim that Albert didn't have a bad game last night.

tonyetony 08-27-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 7855582)
You still haven't delivered one shred of evidence to dispute Clay's claim that Albert didn't have a bad game last night.

Our first team Offense played like crap last night and Albert wasn't the diamond in the rough. Check out the first half stats.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855577)
Quit deflecting......I know you're the president of the Albert fan club, I mean come on you spent your morning creating a defense lawyer thread for him.......I hope he can be an average LT for us this year but you think he is already average and can be a pro bowler if he improves a little bit. That's like holding out hope that Cassel is going to turn into Peyton Manning. It's not going to happen.

Note to all:

When someone's getting their ass kicked in an argument, they tend to create straw men, overstate their opponent's position and then try to appeal to a common whipping boy in an attempt to change the subject and create a new dog pile that they're not on the bottom of.

What you have right here is a textbook debate tactic for someone that's clearly trying to flog the last dying breaths from a expiring horse.

Seriously - the above post should be framed somewhere.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855594)
Our first team Offense played like crap last night and Albert wasn't the diamond in the rough. Check out the first half stats.

You should stick to obfuscation and straw men - trying to marshall an argument clearly isn't your strong suit.

TRR 08-27-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855546)
Regarding 2 - how?

He had to sell his run block - yes? It was an outside rush from the DE and Moeaki was a damn freeway to the QB. Even had Albert turned and sprinted from the line, just exactly how was he going to help Moeaki there? Moeaki made matters even worse by routing the lineman even further away from his help.

There was absolutely nothing that Albert could have done on that play. He doesn't have rockets in his ass and the DE wasn't going to stop running to give him a chance to get back and protect. Had Moeaki provided even marginal protect and routed his man inside, you can see that Albert was on his way back to clean it up.

That was 100% Moeaki (and being outschemed).

Are you saying that in an NFL offense, there is a play where your left tackle fakes like he is run blocking, and then doesn't touch anyone for an entire play? LOL!

Moeaki needs to funnel him inside and not get beat outside, and Albert needs to carry out his terrible run block fake, and then slide over and help out either way. He didn't touch a soul!! Give me a break...
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tonyetony 08-27-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7855599)
You should stick to obfuscation and straw men - trying to marshall an argument clearly isn't your strong suit.

So your telling me that these screen shots and the related comments confirm in your mind that Albert played well last night. From what I am able to re-watch on DVR because of the technical difficulties our line play as a whole was not that good especially the tackle positions.

tk13 08-27-2011 10:08 AM

I think the depth of the Richardson problem has been hiding for a while now because everyone is focused on Cassel. It doesn't have to be an either/or thing though. Stanzi could be the next Tom Brady for all we know, but he'll never get there until the line can hold the pocket better. Somebody like Cassel has no chance. Elite guys like Manning and Rodgers would obviously do better, but even they would start making mistakes if guys are basically getting free run at them, just look at some of Manning's playoff losses. It's not that he's struggling as people put good moves on him, guys just speed rush run around the right side.

milkman 08-27-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 7855624)
Are you saying that in an NFL offense, there is a play where your left tackle fakes like he is run blocking, and then doesn't touch anyone for an entire play? LOL!

Moeaki needs to funnel him inside and not get beat outside, and Albert needs to carry out his terrible run block fake, and then slide over and help out either way. He didn't touch a soul!! Give me a break...
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Albert does turn and run in an attempt to get back to help Moeaki, but as left nit states, he needed ass rockets to get there.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 7855624)
Are you saying that in an NFL offense, there is a play where your left tackle fakes like he is run blocking, and then doesn't touch anyone for an entire play? LOL!

Moeaki needs to funnel him inside and not get beat outside, and Albert needs to carry out his terrible run block fake, and then slide over and help out either way. He didn't touch a soul!! Give me a break...
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I'm saying that a confluence of events could make that happen, not that it was designed.

Again - just exactly how could Albert 'slide' over to block the man that ran an outside blitz and was then pushed even further outside?

You're saying he should've just done it, but I have to ask you exactly how that would've been possible. What lineman in the history of the NFL could've sold a run block and covered the 5 yards that the D-lineman just gained on him in the approximately 1 second that it took Moeakie to get his shit pushed in? On that particular play, it is physically impossible for Albert to get back in time to help.

it certainly wasn't designed for Albert to touch nobody - but that's why I said it was Moeaki AND the scheme that failed. Once the DE took off straight upfield and didn't even begin to bite on the run fake - that play was in a TON of trouble. The play is designed to get the DE to bite on the run fake and that would give Albert the time he needed to slide over and help. Here, the end simply sold out and took off upfield. Suddenly you ended up with a TE matched up with a DE - clearly that was not the design. The Rams simply won the scheme matchup there.

There was absolutely nothing Albert could have done there. I don't see how you can argue otherwise.

DJ's left nut 08-27-2011 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 7855641)
So your telling me that these screen shots and the related comments confirm in your mind that Albert played well last night. From what I am able to re-watch on DVR because of the technical difficulties our line play as a whole was not that good especially the tackle positions.

Yes - that's exactly what I'm telling you.

Brandon Albert played a solid football game last night.


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