Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli
 

Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so.

Mine:

Changes in Head Coaches:
Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have.

Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes.

Drafting:
2009 -
Round 1:
Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position.

Round 2:
Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service.

Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part.

Round 3:
Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later.

Round 4:
Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him)

Round 5:
Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster.

Round 6:
Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad

Round 7:
Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans.

Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot?

Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one.

2010:

Round 1:
Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year.

Round 2:
Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick.

Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite.

Round 3:
Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential.

Round 4:
Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon.

Round 5:
Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve.

Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player.

2011 Draft:
Round 1:
Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside.

Round 2:
Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now.

Round 3:
Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar.

Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside.

Round 4:
Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar.

Round 5:
Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet.

Round 6:
Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet.

Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six.

Round 7:
Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad.

OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B
I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added.

Notable Free Agents:
2009:
Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB.
Terrence Copper - Special Teams player

2010:
Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective.

Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand.

Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him.

Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC.

Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective.

Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway.

2011:

Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe.

Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank.

Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of.

Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR.

Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic.

Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season.

Free Agency Grade: B-
We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency.

Pioli's overall grade: B

He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.

Agreed with the overall grade but disagree with a lot before that...

B-, Cassel hurts his grade.
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I give him an A for most of the roster but a F on Cassel. Its the 90s Chiefs with better talent all over again.

The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?


This ****ing place

LMAO

We grading him on the Pats or what he did here?


His first draft was definitely not excellent and compounded by a trade for a QB the fanbase is still divided on...

Draft 1: Disaster. F.

Draft 2: Better, but McCluster and Moeaki are huge question marks. C+

Draft 3: Appears to be good. A

Average: C+ (75)

FA Class 1: Disaster. F.

FA Class 2: Pretty good. B.

FA Class 3: Orgasmic. A+

Average: B (80)


Coaching hires:

Todd Haley: B - would be an A, but inability to work with OCs and dumbass decision to hire Muir lowers his grade.

Romeo Crennel: A - I'm giving Pioli credit for this moreso than Haley.

Average: B+ (85)


Overall average - 75 + 80 + 85 = B

A HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

I give Pioli a C+ because I'm not grading him higher than Haley, who had to work with Cassel and who had to work with Jackson and Pioli's other draft or FA stumbles. And I'm giving Haley a B because he doesn't get an A until he wins a playoff game.

How can you grade this years draft? You give McCluster a C, did you have him as a C when we drafted him? That right there is proof that grades change once you actually see the guys play.

Pioli has brought in plenty of talent beyond just Berry. Even the guys who were here didn't hit their peak until Pioli and Haley got them. A lot of that goes to them become vets, but a lot goes to the coaching and identity of the team.

No its not.

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In K.C., obviously.

In 2008, here were the teams with 5 wins or fewer, with their win totals that year, and their highest win total since in parentheses:

Bengals: 4(10)
Browns: 4(5)
Jaguars: 5(8)
Raiders: 5(8)
Chiefs: 2(10)
Lions: 0(6)
Seahawks: 4(7)
Rams: 2(7)

That gives the Chiefs the best turnaround in the group, and that includes the year where Pioli was a late hire and didn't have his own staff in place. He doesn't really need what he did with the Patriots to be included in that.

Hey, it's just grades, and they're meaningless. I just get a kick out of this place bitching over an 8 game improvement in 2 years largely because a handful of people poisoned the waters about a QB who's been better than the guy they wanted the team to draft.

Ok, so after a 10-6 record and a first round playoff ass-pounding what grade would you give the HC/GM?

An A?

B+?...

Im not sure its fair to penalize him for a team that probably over achieved and got in the ring with a team it wasn't fully ready for. Yet another reason to wait until this season ends to start deciding on either extremes for this question.

Yeah see many of you guys and KnowMo THINK ALIKE.

LMAO grading a rokkie's that haven't played a snap.

do any of you know what grade the league gave him? hmmmmmm

I didn't realize he set up the 2010 schedule.

What grade did Chiefsplanet give Carl Peterson in Sept. 1991?

As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

I think this idea of grading is pretty assinine at this point, but using these numbers, clearly Mike Brown is a damn good GM.

is that you or your avatar speaking?

Common KnowMo, you are loosing your burst.

This...


:clap:

nobody cares what Cassel's vas deferens thinks...

I agree, I am not thrilled with Cassell. But getting a starting LB and QB for a second round pick is certainly better than a "C" grade.

Just sayin'

2009: F. Bad draft. Firing OC 2 weeks before the season. Haley over his head. DC that didn't fit.

2010: A. Good draft. Hired 2 very good coordinators. Team overachieves and makes playoffs.

2011: Inc.

What part of that isn't true though? He did inherit Charles, Flowers, Albert, Carr, Dorsey, Derrick Johnson, Brian Waters, Bowe, and Tamba Hali. Who else that is any good has Pioli brought in? Berry was a nobrainer pick at #5 much like Von Miller was for Elway so they shouldn't get credit for top 5 picks.

The best thing Pioli was able to do was bring in Weis and Crennel last year and now Weis is gone.

Yes because Herm brought out all the great play in those players.

We had other options beyond Berry.

Weis and Crennel brought out the best in those guys last year. Pioli had nothing to do with it.

His first draft was an F-, but he did get a late start. If only he had of deferred that draft to our draftabulators, this team would be Super Bowl bound.

His next two have been stellar, and this team seems to no longer be devoid of talent. I love the fire Haley brings, and his self confidence to do it his own way.

I would give Pioli a solid B+.

So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

STFU and get back under the table.

Its different to talk about it, but when you act like your word is absolute fact then it becomes....LMAO

Other than hiring Weis and Crennel.

You're an idiot.

I dont really care what you think... Sorry homeboy...LMAO

Yeah...

Because you're too stupid to care.

ROFL

Yeah thats it Milkman...

and what am I too stupid to care about? I would really like to know...

Vrabel and Washington with the same grade?

I reject that.

Most of us recognize that posts with people's thoughts about a player, a team, a draft, whatever, are opinions.

You're too stupid to understand that we shouldn't have to make it a point to state that these are opinions.

Ask me this question next Monday...

Phew, Man I thought I was too stupid to care about something important..

Thanks for the calification buddy, I feel much better now...:thumb:

I wonder what grade Pioli would give the Chiefsplanet members at their jobs??

Some of you guys take this shit entirely too seriously. Its funny to see you get all butthurt white knighting for pioli in a thread on a football forum. Heaven forbid we put up threads for the sake of generating discussion about football.

IMO, Pioli and Haley are freaking saviors of this franchise....

They both get A ****ing +'s.... Why? Because they are not Carl, Marty, Gunter or Herm....

They seem to have a plan, direction and they dont give two shits about the KC media and/or the wanna be GM's... All they seem to care about is building a team they feal will compete for championships...

Its been a long long time since we had that in KC...

talk about them all you want.....back it up with some facts vs. opinions.
for example: Cassel is not a very good qb because...INT"S TD's Completions.....get the picture? Or do I need to draw you one?

excellent point.......all the experts on here need to get them a job as GM, Coach or buy a team

Stats mean jack.

Grade by the curve.



Superbowl Champions = A

Herm Era = F



Pioli earns a solid B for improvement at every single position on the field and rejuvinating the fanbase.

And so do our opinions.....

Only thing that matters is W/L records and championships...

Never going to hit on every player, but they seem to hit much more frequently. I think this is because now they have an idea what they are looking for in ability and character. They also seem to have a methodology that works for screening the talent.

My grade for Pioli is an A.

Yes, our opinions really do mean jack.

So let's just shut down these type of forums.

You lead the charge Milkman... You go get'em.

It's really hard to grade Pioli right now, but you'd have to say he's done about everything you could ask of him so far. Draft is too much of a crap shoot to blame or credit any one person for. Haley may or may not be the right coach for the long term, but I don't think it's just a coincidence that he managed to get the most out of players like Bowe and Johnson.

Cassel is a middle of the pack QB, but to give up just a 2nd for him, and Vrable is a really good deal.

All that matters is that the collection of talent he does assemble wins a championship in the next couple of years.

looks like you and stats have something in common

Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

he is...and you are right. we seldom get a chance to give him a good whack

You are right, I like reading Milkman's football takes, then someone will say something stupid in reponse and he can never let it alone. The corresponding stupidness is fun although it can go on too long if he is verbally jousting with another who can't leave the last comment alone. After a while the whole debate just devolves into a stupidfest, which can also be fun. :PPL:

Well to be honest, they would have outperformed Pioli on that first draft, but I think he has more than made up for it, on the next two. He did very well IMO.

But I am still kind of perturbed that the team had 3 top 5 picks in a row (never before!) and did not take a shot at a legit franchise QB. I really like two of the picks, and hope the Jackson pick pans out to some degree, but I would have loved to have seen them take a shot at a QB.

As long as we dont cause the old guy to stroke out.. All will be fine.

You have to add Salary Cap Room Chiefs are Number 1 in the NFL and the Team is very young now.

In year 3 the team should make the playoffs and be able to win a game.

I give Pioli a C+.

I have to give Pioli some slack for the first draft as the scouting department was still made up of Peterson disciples. It wasn't until the second draft that we start to see the Pioli style come through.

**** you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

Holy Shit...

ROFL

But that HC better learn how to get the most from his "field supervisors" aka coaches. If he doesn't, his days are numbered....actually his time would just be shorten, most all get fired eventually.

Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

THIS

I agree with you for the most part, as mentioned in my first post in this thread. And I have said it many times before, including the first draft thread.

But that being said, to only hit on Mr. Irrelevant is below what almost anyone on this board would have done, by just reading the draftabulator posts.

I am sure Pioli cashed his paycheck that week, so he does need to take some of the responsibility IMO for that draft failure. It will always be part of his body of work.

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Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

X3

LMAO like we care.

What opinion?

REP!

He only has two.

1. HERM SUX0RS!!!!!!
2. LEAVE MATT CASSEL ALONE!!!!