Am I the only one here that still wants the Chiefs to win some games this season?
 

I know I'm just The Royals fan so what do I know... that's fine. I also know the loss of Moeaki and Berry is really damaging so hopes are down. We stunk in week 1 so if we can't beat or even be competitive with the Bills at home what hope do we have...?

I know a lot of people want Andrew Luck... I'd like to see a QB like that in KC too. But I'm not ready to tank the season after one week in hopes that we get the top pick.... THEN actually take him.

This team won the division last year. We added some talent... maybe not enough depth. But the team is young and SHOULD get better. If we can't compete because of the loss of one guy on each side of the ball then I'd guess we weren't nearly as good as we thought last year. Yes... easy schedule... so what. You can only win the games you play. Yes this year the schedule is hard... so what. Rising teams should get better.

Cassel isn't great... Haley went full reerun in pre-season... I get it.

I'm just wondering if most of you guys/gals have really given up already or if the talk here since Sunday is more of a coping mechanism.

Feel free to say stfu baseball fan... just honestly on my mind.

Want to win? Hell yes.


Reality? Hell no.

You are Clark Hunt's wet dream. Blind optimism.

I want gold to fall from the sky... doesn't mean it will happen.

At this point the best hope for this franchise is to end the Haley/Cassel fiasco. If that means going 0-16 to achieve that then so be it.

Short term pain for a better future.

Do you believe in tanking to try for the top pick?

I'd have to spend at least $1 a year on the Chiefs to be Clarks wet dream. I root for my hometown team. So sue me for liking wins more than losses.

Winning is awesome.

I'll be ready to win on Sunday morning. Then __ will push our shit in, starting a shit storm for the next 6 1/2 days.

Rinse, repeat.

**** yes I want them to win. Very badly.

Now stfu baseball fan.

Thank you sir.


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FYP

If Cassel is gone next season, I'm happy to give Haley an additional 2 seasons to get something going. I honestly and truly believe that handcuffing that farce of a QB to Haley was a huge mistake.

I would like to still make the playoffs, and i'm hoping we do...but i don't see it happening

And if we're going to suck, I want to suck bad... Andrew Luck is our savior

I want them to win. I am tired of receiving dumb(_l_) texts from my Raider, Bronco and even Bear fan friends every time the Chiefs lose and/or their team wins.

I'm not a quitter, it's just not in my makeup.



Besides, it would take total failure to get the number 1, and I think this team is to good to fail that badly.


I don't want to get in the 6-10 to 9-7 cycle where we have a QB that wins some games, but puts us out of the running for drafting a real franchise QB.

BUT

I would rather fail and get a guy that has a 10% chance to be elite then a QB that wins 8-9 games but has 0% chance of winning it all.

I respect your opinion I just think that kind of thinking is dangerous. There's no gaurantee we take Luck.

I want to see exciting football from now on out. Respectability.

heh, you think this place is imploding now...

Yes?

What's the best position at the end of the season?

Super bowl winner of course.....

What's the second best?

1st pick in the draft(especially now that contracts aren't insane).

Look I'd love t see the team win out, but you know what, I don't want wins, I want championships. Until the chiefs get a franchise QB we're not winning a championship, that's not a maybe, it's a statistic for how the game is played today.

Always want to win and, as I said in another thread, I am not conceding the 2011 season after week one. I would, however, like to see Cassell replaced by a legit QB prospect and I'm hoping that we are in a position to draft one early next April. Best case scenario would be to have one slide which does happen, on occasion (Rogers, Brees). Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but Mallet might have been nice for us. Who knows? Maybe Pioli trades another 2nd round pick for another Pats backup and this time it works out? :shrug: Cool thing about life- you never know what's going to happen.

I get that. The football season is so short and each game means so much you can't really have normal ups and downs. It's kind of an all or nothing sport.

If the Chiefs did wind up with the first pick in the draft I would give it a 75% chance Pioli takes his head out of his ass and takes a QB before the third day. I'll take a 75% chance over a 0% chance with the #2 pick.

Pretty sure you won't have to worry about Raider and Bronco fans much this year. They are even worse than the Chiefs.

I would think making the Super Bowl and losing it would be second best but I do understand your point.

Yeah no shit.

I'm not sure how accurate that is after last week. :huh:

By some bizarro reason we get the #1 pick and don't draft Luck I will say goodbye to the Chiefs until Pioli is gone.

Yeah I'm not so sure about that but I hope... hence the thread.

I get so sick of the "so-and-so is our savior" bullshit. It's someone different every year. You do NOT tank seasons for draft position. Period.

Denver - maybe...Oakland - no way. Both looked a LOT better than KC and Denver stunk up thier place.

Yea I know what you mean and I was like that at one point, but that's not really me now. Some people are ok with second place, to me it's victory or death, there is no second place.

This. I am not so confident.

With all the crap going on around me right now I just plain don't give a shit about the Chiefs now. I'll watch but probably with a numb mind. They just aren't worth getting worked up over. I guess 40 years of accomplishing nothing does that.

My brother is a die-hard fan. He bleeds Chiefs. He told me yesterday he doesn't think he can watch another game until Cassel is gone. He listens on radio and does other things now.

We've lost lots of games in plenty of seasons but it hasn't really helped.

So yeah, I guess I'd just as soon win some instead.

I've been rooting for this team for over 40 years. Playing for next season loses its appeal after a while.

luv has kicked some ass AND taken some names lately.

Fair enough.

You are a Royals fan and you aren't ready to tank the season to get Luck? Really? I've seen 4 100-loss seasons within a 5-year span recently and we've only now finally seen a faint glimmer of hope that the Royals just might possibly compete next year or the year after.

I'm patient. I would take a 1-15 season (beating the Raiders in Arrowhead) in a heartbeat if it means possibly getting the best QB of our generation.

I think people often stick their head in the sand and we get this overdramatic wailing how the Chiefs did everything wrong and 31 other teams played flawless football.

Not that I'd put it past the Chiefs at this point, but there was a lot of bad, bad football played this past weekend. There are some real bad teams out there. I think we're in deep trouble without Berry, but we still have Hali and Charles, which a lot of teams don't have. I think we could try to tank and I'm not real confident we'd end up ahead of every single one of these teams like the Seahawks, Colts, and Broncos.

You still a maybe on the Vikings game?

I have been catching a lot of flack from Raider fans in the last 24 hours.

Dear God. If we have a chance at Luck and pass, I might have to have Pioli killed.

Crap I didn't even mention the Vikings. They do have some talent, but McNabb threw for 39 yards the other day. 39 YARDS. That's almost as unbelievable as Cassel's 0.4 yard a pass performance, or whatever it was. Just hideous football. Yeah the Chargers are good but he's also in a division with the Bears, Packers, and Suh. If he doesn't wake up they're going in the tank.

Assuming Luck is still considered the next Elway on draft day and we pass? I'll find a new team to follow.

I'm dead serious, I'd be done with the chiefs. I can handle not sucking bad enough to get the pick and seeing him slip away to Seattle. I won't put up with "eh, we're good, we got Cassel and Stanzi, lets get some first round defense!" when a franchise QB is on the board and KC has a mountain of cap room.

Like I said I'd love to have a QB like Luck. I don't follow college football but I've seen some interviews with him and I just love his attitude and demeanor. Think he'll be a real star.

But me being a baseball fan first should tell you all you need to know about my expectations. The Royals have drafted near first for many of the past several years. One player doesn't mean championship, not even Andrew Luck. We get him... he'll play as a rookie and even Peyton Manning didn't win in his rookie season. Does it mean we might have a great cornerstone for the future? Sure... if everything works out. I'd rather see my teams win than lose in the short term and the long term. Andrew Luck as a Chief gaurantees you absolutely nothing.

I saw that. Makes me dread the upcoming San Diego games.

I'm not gonna jump on the "suck for luck" bandwagon until it's a realistic possibility. You know...if we're 0-7 or something then I'll start thinking about it.

Told my buddy no today so he could get tix with other friends. Sorry. It's a financial thing mostly.

This is not baseball. Drafting a franchise QB is like 6 top-3 first-round picks in baseball. Given the incredibly high failure rate of high picks in baseball and the enormous value a QB has to his team in football, you are greatly underestimating how important it is to get a franchise QB.

Only a few, a very small precious few, teams get an opportunity to draft a franchise QB. It isn't a guarantee of a super bowl (see: Miami Dolphins) but it gives you a really big leg up while everyone else is trying to make do with an average QB, a great defense, and a lot of prayer.

Translated: I'm not wasting my hard-earned cash on watching a fugging trainwreck.

Get ready for it. If we actually have the first pick (we won't by the way) Pioli WILL trade down.

0-5 might be good enough to not be too early. At that point we will have just lost to the Colts and will be starting to get into the meat of our schedule.

let's face it, we are not NFL ready right now. Blame it on the lockout, blame it on injuries, blame in on Haley, whatever. We're not an NFL team right now, OU or Standford would have raped us on Sunday. We need a franchise QB if we ever want to get over any sort of hump. **** it, we need to do this.

I understand that. I'd love to have Luck. In the meantime I'd rather we won the division this year instead of tanking after 1 week. Check back with me if we start 0-8.

I'm all in for winning. IF we get Luck I'll be happy for the chance but not the season.

Yes you do, without even thinking twice about it. Winning 13 games and then going out in the first playoff game is like winning a participation award at the olympics. You do whatever it takes to win a championship and if that means that you're positioning for draft position next year then you absolutely do so.

Now there are obviously concerns about morale, teamwork, etc if you were to pull that strategy, but if you're out of contention and you can intentionally lose, without compromising the ability of the team to buy in and execute your system. Then you do so, because it's all about what gets you to the championship sooner.

At the end of the season the only question you ask is, did you win on superbowl sunday? Everyone who answers no lost, it makes no difference how they got there, at the end, they failed. At that point the only thing that is important is how well positioned you are for the next year.

Without a QB the odds say we are not going to win a super bowl so then the question becomes how do we position ourselves to win a super bowl in the future? Maybe it's Luck or maybe it's someone else, but next year looks to be a strong QB year.

The worst thing that we could have happen is that we end up just average and they think well maybe lets give cassel one more shot. Remember the Chiefs management probably doesn't care THAT much about winning a championship. The most important thing is to sell tickets and a mediocre but 'winning' that's always in contention but will never go all the way will do that(see the 90s and Karl's 100 year plan). The chiefs are a business, so long as they are making money they won't jeopardize that to try to win a championship. Mediocracy is good for them. It's 'safe' and low risk.

Many people in this world love things mediocre. For me, if you care, excellence is the only option.

That might be part of it but a small part. It's pretty expensive for me to come out for a game being 4 hours away. Gas, food, tix, parking etc.... Things are always tight and I have a couple new expenses this month. That's most of it.

As mad as I would be, I know I would still be a Chiefs fan. I would be a hell of a lot less invested, though. That would just be horrible. Even if Luck was a bust, passing on him would show such a disinterest in making this team competitive.

Why won't men just admit when they're wrong about something and move one without trying to make it work?

I've been wrong a lot... but mostly men are suppossed to be leaders (in our minds) so being wrong equals fail. No one likes to fail.

When are you going to get really romantic and take your wife to a Chiefs game.

I miss the Bash. :( That's about the only time I really get to see the women behind the men of ChiefsPlanet. Or the women of ChiefsPlanet. I miss my Smitty!

Cause he is a GM. The GM is NEVER wrong. i.e. Carl

fyp

LMAO Going to a Chiefs game is hardly "romantic". I'm not that type anyway, and she really doesn't have any interest in going.

Are you kidding? It's totally romantic.

When I was married my wife loved the things I loved and became a Chiefs and Royals fan for me and went to games and cheered loudly. What's wrong with your wife????


Kidding dude. Not about my wife... about yours.

I'll bet that marriage ended with some resentment.

Why would she want to travel all the way to KC to listen to me scream profanities for 3 hours straight when she can already do that at home?

Yeah, so romantic. My wife used football to get me by taking me to a couple chiefs games including the 93 Bills game. AFter we got married she had ZERO interest in football. I still tease her about it to this day.

EDIT

No, that is NOT why I married her. LMAO

That marriage ended because she's a psycho and thrives on being mean and unhappy. She still roots for the Chiefs and Royals. We're friends we just can't be married.

Good point.

feels like i've seen this movie before.

The Seahawks are way worse than the Chiefs are.

And I hope to god that they don't get a legit QB or Luck.

Really? How?

They gave up two returns for touchdowns, have Tavaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst as their Number 1 and 2 QBs, most of their OL has never played a game with Seattle until last week.

Not reading all this, but no, you are not.

ya, Seahawks, Broncos, Colts, Panthers, Browns are probably worst than the Chiefs.

I don't see the Colts being worse. I know Manning is out but they have more parts than just him. The Texans could actually be good. Panthers... I think they win some games this year... Cam was great in game 1. Broncos and Seahawks seems to have some parts.... much like the Chiefs.

The Seahawks Defense and Offensive Line are not that good.

Rams lost their best RB and receiver.

I don't think our season is that bad

no offense rams fan

Hmm ok. Well neither are ours. I know they lost Hasselbeck but they were a playoff team last year... even if not a winning team. Figured they had some parts.