Whitlock - Parcells behind two miserable franchises
 

Brilliant. Lombardi lays a turd, and Jason flushes it with a TRUTH BOMB.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/b...the-nfl-100611

JFC. This article is even more reeruned than Fatlock's usual.

Enter the The Patriot Way apologists!

Whitlock is to sports reporting what Whitlock is to anything else, except dinner. He rules there.

January 2011: Jason Whitlock declares that Pioli learned the game working for Belichick, has mastered a Belichick impression, and is building "Patriots West".

October 2011: Jason Whitlock declares the complete opposite.

Learning the game /= learning a leadership model

What the hell do you think he's talking about?

Should I pile on further and quote the parts where he fawned over not only the 2010 draft of Team Captain All-Stars, but also the savvy free agent signings of guys like Jones and Lilja because of the leadership they brought to the team? The kind of player leadership and build-franchises-around-players lessons that now Pioli apparently didn't learn?

Because I can if you want.

I really wish Jason could just get over us and leave KC alone...

Wow Whitlocks insecurities are really showing in this article now more than ever before.

Hell hath no fury like a Whitlock scorned. He's still pissed at us because Jeff George sucked and that was like 15 years ago.

Instead of a 600 word article, Whitlock could have simply said "The Chiefs and Dolphins are screwed because they missed on their 'franchise QBs' and need to get one ASAP."

Besides Eric berry and lilja ....what has pioli done while he's been here?

obviously he did your mom, to be this bitter....

Is this a joke? Or are you truly this ignorant?

Its CoMo.... consider the source...

I stopped reading after about the 4th paragraph and seeing the term Egoli no less than 3 times. Jason sounds very insecure. What garbage.

Touche.

This.....Bellichek didnt do anything in Cleveland when he had broked*ck Vinny Testaverde. Parcells had Simms when won in NY.

The Patriot Way is Tom "Freakin" Brady.

He ignored RT and NT in the drafts.

I'm not apologizing for Pioli. I wish him the best, but maybe he isn't that good a GM. Maybe it was BB all along.

But to pin Pioli's failures on Parcells is beyond reeruned. BEYOND reeruned.

Inherited Browns team that went 3-13 in 1990.

Went 6-10, then 7-9 7-9 through 1993.

1994 went to the playoffs on an 11-5 record and beat the Parcells Patriots.

But yes, no coach can succeed with at least a decent QB. Is that surprising? Every multiple SB winning coach except Gibbs had a very good or great QB.

Where was all this talk last year? :hmmm:

How does Whitlock have a job?

You can have decent teams without a "franchise QB"

But for sustained success you must have one. A top QB will also cover for and disguise holes in the rest of your team.

Whittard is counting on the masses to have short term memory. NOT!!!

Articles like this start appearing when there is just frustration all the way around when you have a Murphy's Law type of season and especially when your QB has not progressed.

He's really holding one hell of a grudge isn't he?

You guys need to chill out. After Lombardi's garbage, this was warranted.

Always find these types of statements to be ridiculous. Part of being a head coach is recognizing and developing talented assistants, and leveraging their strengths and abilities. If Parcells were CEO for a technology company, and gave opportunities to a talented young engineer to develop something new, and then it became a massively successful line of business that doubled profits, Whitlock would claim that Parcells is over-rated for not inventing it himself.

exactly. It also reeks of JW's trademark "See, i told you all months ago" and "Let me pat myself on the back for being the first to point it out" type of columns.

None of this is new information of course alot of this was brought up when Pioli was hired right here on CP. But of course since Whitlock wrote it, its now hated.

Rambling rant much, Jason? JFC.

Whitlock has been the only columnist who has consistantly tried running the Scott Egoli has an ego out of control, Haley is insecure narrative that he's desperate to latch on to anything that remotely goes along with what he says. Pioli did something that hurt Whitlocks massive ego and now Jason is continuing to do what fat guys with insecurity issues tend to do and that's lash out. It's sad to see someone who is a talented writer compromise that talent because he has to lash out due to his own issues.

To say the Chiefs are the worst team in football when teams like STL, MIA, SEA, MIN, and IND are playing the kind of football they are right now just screams of butthurt. I think we have a good chance of winning at Indy this week, then we're 2-3 going into the bye, with 4 winnable games coming up.

After all of our injuries, to have the chance to go from 0-3 to 6-3 is amazing. I don't really know who we are yet, but I see a team that definitely hasn't quit. Are people really still thinking we have a chance for Luck? We don't, we're by far not the worst team in this league. We do have a chance to get a high pick, though, and get one of the other good qb's that will be in this draft.

Has anyone ever seen Clay and Whitlock in the same room at the same time?

They're both garbage pieces.

I thought it was BS then and I think it is BS now. Feel better?

What's so BS about Parcells being overrated and never having won anything without Belicheick? Its the ****ing truth.

I was specifically talking about the negativity toward Pioli.

This. This. This. I feel sorry for JW. Talk about lacking an identity. He has become more of a punchline than ever.

stopped reading after this post

pwned Whitlock

I had a friend bring up this article at my Rotary this morning (in S. Florida) He said " yeah this Whitlock guy calls your GM Egoli and says Haley sucks and probably will be out of work before the bye"

I then had to give him a little background on fatass and his days with the Star, but that really is some dirt to be flying all the way down here in the swamp. I'm ready for the ****er to choke on a bone, I don't care who's.

The 180s remind me of another CP'er around here...if I could just think of his name...He's a big Whitlock fan.

Whitlock is one of the best reporters of all time. So much passion and deama. My ****ing hero.

Ok, I'll admit I'm no expert on the family connection here so these 2 lines quoted below have me confused. (But that is easy to do and happens a lot)

"Did I mention that Pioli married Parcells’ daughter more than a decade ago?"

"Parcells bequeathed his son-in-law Todd Haley as head coach"

So, does Parcells have 2 daughters, one married to Pioli and the other to Haley, or did Pioli divorce her and then Haley married her later?

WTF?

here's a hint: his initials are GoChiefs

Egoli....haha, oh man, that just NEVER gets old!

Whitlock loses credibility when he flip flops on these guys and makes it personal, which is too bad, because the stuff he points out in this article about Parcells' failures are completely accurate.

There is no more overrated figure in NFL history than Bill Parcells.

I understand the goal is to win Super Bowls but saying Parcells' career is full of failures is a bit of a stretch, when he was the first coach to bring 4 different teams to the playoffs.

I didn't say his career was full of failures. Maybe Whitlock did. I did say he was accurate to point out his failures, which include undermining his team the week of the Super Bowl, his inability to ever win in the playoffs without Bill Belichick, and the disastrous state he left the Dolphins in.

The hard part of this is the nuance. The guy undoubtedly was a good coach. The problem arises when the hype machine turns a good coach into the greatest football mind of all time. He's not even close to that. You don't have to be terrible to be terribly overrated.

The big problem with Parcells, IMO, is that he knew he wasn't going to be around long. Because of that, he didn't want to bother with drafting and developing his own young QB. He was fine bringing in Testaverde, an old Bledsoe, and O'Donnell.

Which is ironic given that he ended up hanging around in various forms for another 20 years after his original expiration date.

Whut?...

Bledsoe lead him to a SB so I don't know that I'd consider that a bad move...

Bledsoe in Dallas.

No, that guy sucked...

To be fair, I recall the late 90's and the early 00's were pretty thin on QB talent league-wide.

After NY Parcells was nothing more than a mercenary. He took short-cuts to success and then left after a few years and let other people clean it up.

I don't think you can call him overrated. In each coaching gig he accepted, he turned a sub .500 franchise and turned them into a playoff team within 3 seasons. And every team he coached was better after he left.

There's a pretty short track record of coaches who have made a Super Bowl with multiple franchises. And in each of his 3 post-Giants gigs, he wasn't really around long enough to say he failed because he didn't make a Super Bowl. Super Bowls are incredibly difficult for any coach, especially when you have a 3-4 year road map.

Parcells deserves every bit of credit as a coach as he gets. His tree is what's overrated.

I don't think you can even blame him for the Dolphins. What was his title while he was there? He got his guy in there as coach and it went well immediately. However Parcelles was pushed out of the organization. The organization should lay the blame on itself as they are the ones who courted a head coach without firing the guy they had first and then having to go back to say the supported the guy in there. They didn't want to give enough to get a QB this year and now are really screwed there. They will be fighting it out with the Colts for Luck.
Now Whitlock says that the Chiefs are his fault because Pioli used Parcelles as a pattern more than Bellicheck and then states the Piolio is trying to build Patriots west. Which way is it?

Parcells didn't win without Billicheck

Billicheck didn't win without Romeo Crennel.

Shit, did Parcells win anything without Crennel?

You know what means more than all that hoopla?

NOBODY WINS SHIT WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

If The Parcells tree never had Phil Simms or Tom Brady, they would be just like every other coaching tree that exists.

It really is as simple as that.

Without Romeo Crennel, Bill Belichick was a helmet catch away from having the universally-acclaimed greatest team of all time. That's a little different than getting curb stomped in every playoff appearance.

Your statement about QBs, however, is inarguable. Oh to go back to the Fall of 2008 on here...

Why in the blue hell didnt you just acknowledge his presence at that dinner Pioli?

It would've saved so much wasted print.

I would send that to another journalist that does not like Whitlock and see what he can do with it..

His team got beat by Carolina the year the Panthers went to the SB 29-10.

That was his first year in Dallas, though. Quincy Carter. 5 win team the previous year and 10 or 11 wins Parcells first year there.

His next appearance was the game his team should have won if it weren't for Tony Romo (a quarterback who Parcells groomed over the course of a couple years into a legit franchise qb quality player) totally shitting the bed at the very end.

Not quite what most would call "getting curb stomped in every playoff appearance."

People keep reading his crap. I saw this article on line earlier, and was not going to post in this thread, but here I am.

He gets a reaction, nothing more. His bitterness lately has been disgusting.

fixed it for you