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-King- 10-28-2011 02:17 PM

TAMBA HALI and BRANDON FLOWERS FINED
 
Chiefs' Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali Receive Fines From The NFL


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Typical Kansas City Chiefs and Oakland Raiders game last week. We've received word from the league office that at least four players were fined in the game, including two Chiefs.
We'll start with the bad guys...


Raiders LB Aaron Curry was popped for $10,000 after an unnecessary roughness call for hitting a Chief late. This play came on the Chiefs first possession of the second half.


Raiders CB Stanford Routt was fined $7,500 for hitting Chiefs RB Jackie Battle out of bounds. This came on the Chiefs final drive of the game (when they were up 28-0).
And for the good guys...


Chiefs CB Brandon Flowers was fined $10,000 for his touchdown dance in the Black Hole but I don't think the fans would want him to change what we did. The specific violation was using the ball as a prop.


Chiefs LB Tamba Hali was fined $15,000 for hitting the quarterback below the knees. He received a penalty for this during the game -- it was Carson Palmer's first pass.

acarter25 10-28-2011 02:18 PM

Are you kidding me? Get the **** out of here Roger.

mnchiefsguy 10-28-2011 02:19 PM

Tamba needs to appeal that.

Hammock Parties 10-28-2011 02:20 PM

Money well spent.

-King- 10-28-2011 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8056206)
Money well spent.

Can you gif up the Tamba Hali play?

I swear that Tamba was falling.

Trevo_410 10-28-2011 02:24 PM

this gotten out of hand. Need new commissioner if we want the NFL to continue in the right direction.

The Franchise 10-28-2011 02:26 PM

:facepalm:

The Franchise 10-28-2011 02:27 PM

Hitting below the knees of a QB? Fined!

Hitting below the knees of any other player? Perfectly legal.

****ing stupid.

Garcia Bronco 10-28-2011 02:29 PM

I hate Roger Goodell with every fiber of my being and will celebrate the day he's removed as commissioner

Iowanian 10-28-2011 02:29 PM

Good Lawd.

Maybe next year, you should just put velcro flags on the belt of the QBs Roger.....

the Talking Can 10-28-2011 02:32 PM

total ****ing joke

HemiEd 10-28-2011 02:35 PM

They know Tamba and Brandon got paid, it is revenue generation.

noa 10-28-2011 02:35 PM

Tamba needs to hit Roger Goodell in the vagina
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vailpass 10-28-2011 02:39 PM

Feel free to fine the dance, I don't much like them anyway.
But FFS how do you fine a defensive player for doing his job? This crap is getting out of hand. No, it is already out of hand. We need to replace Goodell with Mike Singletary.

SPchief 10-28-2011 02:42 PM

OMG he touched the QB! Fine!

SPchief 10-28-2011 02:42 PM

OMG, he steped on the footbal! Fine!

acarter25 10-28-2011 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8056219)
Hitting below the knees of a QB? Fined!

Hitting below the knees of any other player? Perfectly legal.

****ing stupid.

This, what pisses me off most about this is that they are going to fine him for something that is a very popular part of the game from an offensive blocking stand point. Before long the NFL is going to be the new NBA.

chasedude 10-28-2011 02:46 PM

And... the pussification of Football by Roger continues...

CoMoChief 10-28-2011 02:47 PM

Stevie Johnson didn't get fined for the hit on Berry.

chasedude 10-28-2011 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8056252)
Stevie Johnson didn't get fined for the hit on Berry.

Berry isn't a QB :rolleyes:

-King- 10-28-2011 02:51 PM

When does Roger's contract end?
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Rain Man 10-28-2011 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8056240)
Feel free to fine the dance, I don't much like them anyway.
But FFS how do you fine a defensive player for doing his job? This crap is getting out of hand. No, it is already out of hand. We need to replace Goodell with Mike Singletary.


Yes.



Yes, yes, yes.


The Hali hit can in no way be construed to be intentional.

CoMoChief 10-28-2011 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chasedude (Post 8056256)
Berry isn't a QB :rolleyes:

Which is exactly my point.....I think it's ****ing stupid to have rules for certain players. The QB is the most important position and has the ball the majority of the game, and fining the players for where they hit them is just stupid. Most (If not all, unless you're someone like a Romanowski). players aren't out to purposely hit people to hurt them.

Meanwhile Hali gets held about 50% of the snaps he rushes the QB and nothing gets called. (Not that it should result in someone getting fined....it's just the game has changed so much that eventually we're going to see a ****ing Wrap-up game instead of tackle).

chasedude 10-28-2011 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8056262)
Which is exactly my point.....I think it's ****ing stupid to have rules for certain players. The QB is the most important position and has the ball the majority of the game, and fining the players for where they hit them is just stupid. Most (If not all, unless you're someone like a Romanowski). players aren't out to purposely hit people to hurt them.

I agree with you. It's hypocritical to call it for Palmer and not for Berry. Goodell has his $ blinders on.

Demonpenz 10-28-2011 03:03 PM

maybe they can take a look at HALI getting held so much. Might be nice to enforce the rules

KCrockaholic 10-28-2011 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8056259)
When does Roger's contract end?
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2015.

**** our lives.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-28-2011 03:17 PM

Hey, I have no problem with either of these really.... but to act like Hali was just 'falling' is being very homeristic.

He lunged. Now, whether or not he intended to hit Palmer right on the knee? I don't know, but it was like he wasn't blocked into him or tripped and fell. He was off balance and lunged at Palmer.

I really don't think for one minute that it wasn't intentional. Take a guy who is new to a team, has three days of practice, has had 10 months on the couch and who has never really been the same since he hurt his knne, and then throw a defensive lineman at him low.... and well, I think it certainly doesn't help his game.

Hali hasn't been dirty before. I don't think Hali would intentionally try to 'hurt' Palmer. The hit didn't have a ton of force behind it. So, I don't think he was trying to hurt him.... just make him concious of the fact that he still has knees and this is still a contact sport... and that just maybe, the couch was where he should have stayed.

BoneKrusher 10-28-2011 03:21 PM

Warren Sapp was right when he said the NFL has gone soft.

-King- 10-28-2011 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8056279)
2015.

**** our lives.

Damn by then, the defensive line will have to line up 20 yards off the ball and rifle men will be standing on the sideline with instructions to kill anyone who gets within 5 feet of the quarterback.
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ForeverChiefs58 10-28-2011 03:25 PM

Does the NFL not want them to tackle?

Bernard Pollard was flagged for a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty on Monday night football that was also just stupid. It was a clean hit, it is like they want the defense to just let the offense make a play.


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Pollard says NFL is enticing defenders to go for knees


Strong safety thinks rules protecting players make it harder for defensive players to tackle


Bernard Pollard was flagged for a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty described by referee Carl Ceffers as a helmet-to-helmet hit on a defenseless receiver in the third quarter of the Ravens’ 12-7 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars Monday night.

But coach John Harbaugh defended the hit as being legal and Pollard said he has yet to receive a letter from the NFL informing him of a fine, which is usually a result for players cited for such a penalty.


But the starting strong safety sounded off on the league’s rules on contact, saying the limitations could have an adverse effect on how defensive players tackle their offensive counterparts.

“Like I’ve said before, with these rules they’re putting in, you’re going to get guys hurt because now when you tell a guy, ‘OK, don’t hit in the chest. We know you can’t hit in the head, but don’t hit in the chest either,’ what everybody is going to start doing is going after people’s knees because you’ve got to bring them down some way, somehow,” Pollard said after Wednesday’s practice. “So now when you get those hits on the knees, you’re going to have some guys going out. So are they going to make this flag football? You never know. So I think with the rules they’re implementing, we’ve got to be ready to go. We’ve got to be ready as defenders. We respond, and we react, and we react to them. So when you have quick passes, you’ve got to get them down some way, somehow. We all know and understand that we cannot take the face shots because you’ve got the concussions and everything else. But you can’t shut us off and tell us that we can’t hit the chest or we can’t lean in with our shoulder and hit them in the shoulder or chest.”

Pollard has a very short history with tackling low. His hit on Tom Brady’s left knee while crawling to make a sack in the 2008 season opener sidelined the New England Patriots quarterback for the remainder of the year.

Since then, the NFL has adopted new rules to protect quarterbacks, adding restrictions to hitting quarterbacks in the head and knees. The league has since expanded those protections to what it refers to as defenseless receivers, players in the act of making a catch who can’t brace themselves for a devastating impact.

Pollard, who said he could envision a scenario where tackles may come under the purview of challenges, said he understands the NFL’s intentions.

“I think at the end of the day, the league is trying to protect players,” he said. “At the same time, while they’re protecting players, this is a sport that’s violent. You can’t say, ‘Go get in a car crash, but be careful.’ This is a car wreck every single play with guys. So we know and understand how to take care of our bodies as far as what’s a violent shot and what’s an unnecessary violent shot. Football’s football. If you asked me to go do it again this Sunday, I’m doing the same thing. So they’re either going to keep flagging us or they’re going to have to do something about this rule.”

vailpass 10-28-2011 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8056301)
Damn by then, the defensive line will have to line up 20 yards off the ball and rifle men will be standing on the sideline with instructions to kill anyone who gets within 5 feet of the quarterback.
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They can't be 20 yards off the ball, they would have no chance to grab the ball carrier's flag.

BigMeatballDave 10-28-2011 03:28 PM

**** this shit. I wanna take a shot at Goodell's knees.

Demonpenz 10-28-2011 03:29 PM

it's almost like, if you are playing good football you are going to get fined. Like that is a sign you are being just the right amount of aggressive.

Fritz88 10-28-2011 03:33 PM

Shit I'd chip in every time Flowers is fined for a similar offense against Faiders fans.

lewdog 10-28-2011 03:36 PM

Isn't the penalty of using the ball as a prop 15 yards, which was assessed during the game. Why does there need to be a fine on top of something like this? It makes no sense.

-King- 10-28-2011 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog_5 (Post 8056335)
Isn't the penalty of using the ball as a prop 15 yards, which was assessed during the game. Why does there need to be a fine on top of something like this? It makes no sense.

Do you realize how many players he injured by doing that?

I mean, he celebrated like he was playing a game and he had just scored a touchdown or something. How dare he!!
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Backwards Masking 10-28-2011 03:45 PM

" It's my leauge now! Mine! I do what I want with it! Hahahaha! Yo wanna keep trying me? You wanna keep trying me? Ill put velcro on them Qbs bitches! Ain't nuthin' you can do about it either PUNKS! Im commissioner! I do what I want!"

- Roger Goodell

FAX 10-28-2011 03:48 PM

So ... let me get this straight. The enemy linemen can hold Hali all day, every day without consequence. However, when Hali touches the quarterback's shins, it's 15k?

Badall has to go.

FAX

Johnny Vegas 10-28-2011 03:49 PM

how can we email Roger telling him to **** off? is there a public email to reach him?

Hammock Parties 10-28-2011 03:59 PM

Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

Johnny Vegas 10-28-2011 04:38 PM

I just emailed him.

Okie_Apparition 10-28-2011 04:39 PM

Player uses a ball as a prop after a TD $10,000
Head coach has to be restrained from attacking another head coach $0

Johnny Vegas 10-28-2011 04:42 PM

bunk ass email Clay

lcarus 10-28-2011 04:43 PM

It's really stupid. The penalty for hitting a QB below the knees was only made up because Tom Brady got hurt for the season getting hit below the knees by Pollard...which was a totally clean play I might add. He was on the ground near the QB....should he have not gone for the sack? ****ing stupid.

chefsos 10-28-2011 04:52 PM

I see two results from firing off an email telling Goodell just what you think of him.

1) Nothing

2) Visit from NFL Security

BigChiefFan 10-28-2011 05:01 PM

Goodell's just bilking the players out of their money for lame ass rules. His version of the NFL is weak sauce. What a crappy transition from Tags to Janet Napolitano.

Johnny Vegas 10-28-2011 05:01 PM

I write emails to congressmen too. doesn't mean much I know but if he gets enough of them you never know.

plus it wasn't a nasty email. it was very sincere.

BossChief 10-28-2011 05:15 PM

1) The fine on Flowers is somewhat justified. Every single player knows its coming when they do it, they get told over and over to not use the ball as a prop and Flowers still obviously planned the whole thing.

2) The fine on Hali is total, complete bullshit.

He did absolutely nothing wrong...he was getting held on the play iirc and was pushed down and fell into the quarterbacks leg...how is he supposed to avoid that?

...

Now, after saying those things...Halis fine is obviously another step in GODells push to get a 18 game schedule into the next deal by making the game a safer and more interesting game for fans and the first step in that is to further protect the leagues quarterbacks (as the NFL is built around them...well the NFL expect for KC) and he obviously sees it as a "no grey area" type of thing.

The bullshit part of that is the players targeted for fines more often than not are the pass rushers and that is total bullshit.

Ming the Merciless 10-28-2011 05:17 PM

how petty

Agent V 10-28-2011 05:21 PM

It's okay to grab Tamba Hali by the neck and throw him to the ground. That's not malicious at all.

-King- 10-28-2011 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8056501)
1) The fine on Flowers is somewhat justified. Every single player knows its coming when they do it, they get told over and over to not use the ball as a prop and Flowers still obviously planned the whole thing.

Meh. It was a in the moment kind of thing. A defensive player scores a TD, of course he's going to want to celebrate. I doubt he plans his TD celebrations at all. This will likely be the only one he has this year, so no way he plans them.

Renegade 10-28-2011 05:47 PM

I guess the price of parking will go up again to help pay these "fines"

BossChief 10-28-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8056545)
Meh. It was a in the moment kind of thing. A defensive player scores a TD, of course he's going to want to celebrate. I doubt he plans his TD celebrations at all. This will likely be the only one he has this year, so no way he plans them.

:facepalm:

Psyko Tek 10-28-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8056501)
1) The fine on Flowers is somewhat justified. Every single player knows its coming when they do it, they get told over and over to not use the ball as a prop and Flowers still obviously planned the whole thing.

2) The fine on Hali is total, complete bullshit.

He did absolutely nothing wrong...he was getting held on the play iirc and was pushed down and fell into the quarterbacks leg...how is he supposed to avoid that?

...

Now, after saying those things...Halis fine is obviously another step in GODells push to get a 18 game schedule into the next deal by making the game a safer and more interesting game for fans and the first step in that is to further protect the leagues quarterbacks (as the NFL is built around them...well the NFL expect for KC) and he obviously sees it as a "no grey area" type of thing.

The bullshit part of that is the players targeted for fines more often than not are the pass rushers and that is total bullshit.

didn't captain morgan offer cash to do a stance like that after a TD last year?

TimeForWasp 10-28-2011 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8056219)
Hitting below the knees of a QB? Fined!

Hitting below the knees of any other player? Perfectly legal.

****ing stupid.


I didn't think it should be a fine because he was knocked down while going for the QB , so he ended up making contact low.

FAX 10-28-2011 06:04 PM

I have a question thing ...

Is it considered illegal for the owner to pay his players' fines? Would that be considered a violation of the salary cap?

FAX

Oh Snap 10-28-2011 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acarter25 (Post 8056203)
Are you kidding me? Get the **** out of here Roger.

srsly, how long is the league going to tolerate this asshat?

No celebrations? Getting fined for them? This is a sport where the fans PAY to see shit like this! Some of it may very well be in poor taste, but its all in good fun.

Ever since Goodell became commissioner, the league has become way too politicized for my taste...I get enough politics as it is now, I would prefer football to be as politically free as possible, please stop this madness!

Oh Snap 10-28-2011 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 8056470)
Goodell's just bilking the players out of their money for lame ass rules. His version of the NFL is weak sauce. What a crappy transition from Tags to Janet Napolitano.

absolutely! Also, someone mentioned it being illegal to hit QBs below the knees, but every other positional player is "ok"...

We lost Berry to this bullshit...that should have been an illegal hit and a fine by the bills receiver...I would love this team to play the bills again, I think we would stomp them. phaggots!

-King- 10-28-2011 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8056576)
:facepalm:

:rolleyes:

Molitoth 10-28-2011 06:34 PM

Goodell is a fucking pussy.

Ugly Duck 10-28-2011 06:57 PM

I won't say "I told you so." I have far too much character for that. I'll just say "I tol' you so."

bevischief 10-28-2011 06:58 PM

How much of it was from X-factor being there...

BigMeatballDave 10-28-2011 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8056706)
I won't say "I told you so." I have far too much character for that. I'll just say "I tol' you so."

Still crying like a bitter bitch, I see...

Ugly Duck 10-28-2011 07:06 PM

Gloating, me bucko.... the NFL sez I wuz right, you guyz is wrong....

BigMeatballDave 10-28-2011 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8056738)
Gloating, me bucko.... the NFL sez I wuz right, you guyz is wrong....

:rolleyes: No one says the hit wasnt an illegal. Its a stupid rule. You say its a cheap shot. The Fine does not mean its a cheap shot. Hali is not that type of player. If not for your short-sighted stupidity, you'd see that...

ForeverChiefs58 10-28-2011 07:16 PM

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/haliraped.gif

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/hailrape.gif

pr_capone 10-28-2011 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8056738)
Gloating, me bucko.... the NFL sez I wuz right, you guyz is wrong....

Funny... scoreboard says we won and you suck a big fat hairy cock.

BigMeatballDave 10-28-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 8056761)

That is such blatant holding. I dont understand why Hali does not get those calls.

BossChief 10-28-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8056825)
That is such blatant holding. I dont understand why Hali does not get those calls.

Because the league and its officials have a priority to protect their franchise quarterbacks.

Its not just Hali, but he is one of the better pass rushers so he tends to get the short end of the stick more often than not.

Look at it this way...

if players like Hali got more of those calls, offensive linemen would have to be sneakier in their efforts and players like Hali would be getting 20+ sacks and injuring quarterbacks in the process.

Thats the opposite of what GODell and the league in general want.

They want an offensive league that is family friendly (selling tickets and rights are a lot easier to do when you are selling to whole families of 4 rather than a couple guys)

Remember, its not just a sport, its a television show and they are just trying to protect their product and their product is the leagues quarterbacks and scoring.

It sucks, but its the raw truth that they will never acknowledge.

NJChiefsFan 10-28-2011 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8056706)
I won't say "I told you so." I have far too much character for that. I'll just say "I tol' you so."

The NFL said the hit was illegal. We never debated that. You said it was dirty and on purpose and thats what we debate.

Fritz88 10-28-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8056594)
I have a question thing ...

Is it considered illegal for the owner to pay his players' fines? Would that be considered a violation of the salary cap?

FAX

Good thing question. Any takers? I am interested too.
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ForeverChiefs58 10-28-2011 09:04 PM

here is the video, you can see Tamba get shoved while making his way toward the QB

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PRIEST 10-28-2011 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 8056224)
I hate Roger Goodell with every fiber of my being and will celebrate the day he's removed as commissioner

THIS

GloryDayz 10-28-2011 09:10 PM

Well if Flowers and Hali were on this board I'd rep them to help make up for the financial loss...

KcMizzou 10-28-2011 09:11 PM

Flowers' fine was worth every penny.

Both were undeserved, though.

ForeverChiefs58 10-28-2011 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 8057134)
Well if Flowers and Hali were on this board I'd rep them to help make up for the financial loss...

do you by any chance know who the chick who's ass is in your avatar? It is amazing.

Ugly Duck 10-28-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 8057109)
here is the video, you can see Tamba get shoved while making his way toward the QB

?? He didn't get "shoved" into Palmer. The lineman whiffed trying to grab Hali & pull him back as he was launching himself at Palmer's knee. Thats why the penalty & the fine. Dunno why you guyz can't see what the officials and the league brass & most other fans see in that video - its almost like you guyz'r biased in favor of the Chiefs!

Another copy, timestamp 1:45

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BigChiefFan 10-28-2011 09:18 PM

Move on, dude. We beat your asses fair and square.

ForeverChiefs58 10-28-2011 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8057153)
?? He didn't get "shoved" into Palmer. The lineman whiffed trying to grab Hali & pull him back as he was launching himself at Palmer's knee. Thats why the penalty & the fine. Dunno why you guyz can't see what the officials and the league brass & most other fans see in that video - its almost like you guyz'r biased in favor of the Chiefs!

Another copy, timestamp 1:45

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Ha ha. We won.:p

BigMeatballDave 10-28-2011 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8057153)
?? He didn't get "shoved" into Palmer. The lineman whiffed trying to grab Hali & pull him back as he was launching himself at Palmer's knee. Thats why the penalty & the fine. Dunno why you guyz can't see what the officials and the league brass & most other fans see in that video - its almost like you guyz'r biased in favor of the Chiefs!

Another copy, timestamp 1:45

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LMAO You are such a sniveling little bitch. Get over yourself. Hali was clearly stumbling and falling down.


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