AFCW - so is Oakland going to win it?
 

Granted... I don't see the AFCW Champion doing anything in the playoffs, barring some fantastic wildcard weekend match-up with another struggling team.

At this point, through week 11:

Raiders 6-4 / 2-2 div (split with Den)
Broncos 5-5 / 2-2 div
Chiefs 4-5* / 2-2 div
Chargers 4-6 / 2-2 div

Raiders remaining: CHI / @ MIA / @ GBP / DET / @ KCC / SDC
Broncos remaining: @ SDC / @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC
Chiefs remaining: @ NEP / PIT / @ CHI / @ NYJ / GBP / OAK / @ DEN
Chargers remaining: DEN / @ JAX / BUF / BAL / @ DET / @ OAK

Are the Raiders sitting pretty with only a 1 game lead?

I think the Chiefs have a pretty brutal stretch...
I have no idea how to project Denver - looks tough, but with Cutler and the Bills falling... it's not horrible.
Chargers ... I just don't know what to expect, another late season rally?

Raiders ... I could see them pulling this off and again, I realize it means very little, but looking ahead can be fun.

The Broncos really need to beat SD this week... if they can do this, then anything is possible, but even at 4-6, the Chargers are dangerous - lots of talent.

I would like to find a way for Oakland not to win the division, but it looks like they have a strong chance.

yes, I think Oakland is the only team that's above average right now.

Yes, they will be the turd that rises to the top of the bowl that is the AFC West this year.

There's not 1 good team in the AFC West this year.

I could see Oakland losing out if KC can beat them again.
Denver could win a couple more if the Tebow shit holds up
Chiefs are pretty much ****ed unless they can shock the world tonight
Chargers have some very winnable games left

Oakland
SD
KC
Denver

*edit oakland can probably beat chicago with cutler out. Miami has been on a hot streak so that will be a good game.

Hate to say it, but yes.

Although, they should have destroyed Minny yesterday, but let them back in the game.

It's still ANYBODY's division. Well...except the Palko-led Chiefs.

Chiefs are toast. Chargers are toast.

I hate to say it, but there's a chance the Broncos could surprise us. When you look at their remaining games (@ SDC / @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC), all of those except maybe the Patriots are winnable within reason. I don't THINK they will win @SD, CHI, or @BUF, but their defense is playing really solid right now, and Tebow's confidence is building if nothing else.

So, I'd personally say that it's 50% OAK, 30% DEN, 15% SD, and 5% KC.

this, that way I don't have to say it. :D

Ban him. Mods?

Just curious ... let's say Denver's defense continues to play as they have in recent weeks. Can Denver go 4-2 in the final 6? I can see them winning the MIN, KCC games ... possibly the Bills too if they're slide is for real, that is 3 wins and finishing 8-8. That's why the Chargers game this week is so huge in my mind... they rallied late in the last game. We'll see, they're both playing much differently than they were a month ago.

I don't think it matters.

Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

I think it's entirely possible that they could go 4-2, yes. I keep thinking that the bubble will burst, but you can't deny the defense's play recently. And Tebow's done just enough to not **** it up during the game so that he can complete an insane drive to win it.

If the Chiefs lose these next 5 games... which looks entirely possible, I hope the Raiders and the Broncos are both in contention and need to win thier last two games to get in the playoffs. I'd sure as hell hate to lose 7 in a row and put ourselves right in the middle to the QB derby come draft day... only to screw it up the last two weeks.

At this point yes.

It's only a matter of time, or God, bringing Denver back down to earth.

Rivers is playing like Cassel/Sanchez.

Oakland's biggest problem looks like it's penalties. They should win the division.

They may not and they're not getting each of those things in every game as it is now. The defense needs to continue playing at the high level they've been on in the last month. The Patriots are the only legit powerhouse left on the schedule... Chargers will be tough, always are. The Bears took a big hit with Cutler's injury.

Half of Denver's remaining games are quite winnable without all the things you referenced. We'll see how it goes... I'd like to see them pull it off for no other reason that turning things around a bit, but for me to be "sold on the future" of this thing... Tebow and the passing game really has to step up. And, that could be a difficult thing to do, they're just not equipped with the TEs/WRs to work effectively in this style. If they stick with Tebow going forward... lots of things to address.

We'll see.

In before R8ers tells us how good Carson Palmer is.

Very true... I can't stand the 2nd/3rd quarters of their games... painful.

Goddamn it. I don't want to think about it. Chokeland has the easiest way. But they've shown time and time again to fail in new and exciting ways.

Dungver appears to be building, but the option? Seriously? They're gonna win it with the ****ing option?

SD has rallied late but they're in a deep ass hole and the bitch known as Rivers seems to have lost his confidence. Team at this point looks to rise and fall with his douche ass.

We are terrible and I have 0 hope in Palko. If we play Stanzi, we have a shot to do some rallying. But it looks like they're giving Palko a shot, so even if Stanzi comes out fire hot, we'll be in such a deep hole it doesn't even matter.

I see no compelling reason to think that any of this shitfest will win the division.

Good call.

You beat Miami because of an onside kick.

You beat the Chiefs because of a 60-yard TD pass.

You beat the Jets because of a pick six.

Don't even get me started on the Raider game. You had a 60-yard TD run AND an 85-yard punt return.

You're not going to get miracles every week.

I dunno....maybe God really does like Tim :).

I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

Oakland may only win two more games. That being said our Chiefs would be lucky to even do that. S.D. has easiest finish but do they get it together? I think Donx or Bolts.

My money is on a dramatic, league-shocking comeback by the Chiefs.

After that, I'm donating 5 dollars to Tebow's favorite charity.

FAX

You don't beat the Dolphins without that onside kick, and you don't beat the Jets without Sanchez handing you 7 points.

Those cannot be argued.

Freaking miracles.

I've heard this a lot. But, it's not necessarily true.

The fact of the matter is that there are one or two plays or three or four plays or sometimes five plays in every game that decide the outcome.

That's why you hear coaches say, "Make a play!" They don't say, "Make 30 plays!". Nope. Never. It's always, "Make a play!" ... A ... Play ... Singular.

FAX

Denver could also get a bit lucky in two weeks if Adrian Peterson misses that game, he's expected to miss at least 1 week...

True, but when a team loses... you can typically point to a half dozen plays throughout the game... not just "that last play" and say had something different happened here, it would have changed the course of the game.

I'll give you the Miami game... there's no denying that one.

In the Jets game, they were up 10-3 in the 3rd quarter when the Pick 6 happened... there were 4:32 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when Goodman tied it up with that INT return. It was 3rd and 6 and NY was likely going to punt again, giving DEN great field position again...

That INT was one of many different things you could point to...

See my reply to Fax and I don't think anyone would say Sanchez throwing an INT is a miracle... especially when you see how he played that night. Hell, the pass just before the INT should have been picked off.

Sanchez is not a very good QB... he's ridden the defense and ground game. Tebow is doing that now... time for him and the receivers to step it up.

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Raiders by 2 games.

I don't think so ... maybe ...

But, my guess is that the Faiders will self-implode from this point forward. All of a sudden-like they are going to start losing and losing bad. Once that starts to happen, they'll begin fighting with their coaches and amongst each other. Somebody will get hurt bad - stabbed or shot or ass-drilled or something - and then, during the ensuing federal investigation, the authorities will discover a meth lab in their locker room where their training staff has been cooking up steroids and some kind of amphetamine that turns a normal human being into a toad-man.

FAX

Tebow and Denver will win the west.

If the Raiders don't figure out how to score in the second half and if Pussyfoot keeps sitting out it's anybodys division.

P.S Carson Palmer is an Awesome QB

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Damn, maybe you aren't a total homer after all :thumb:

Chiefs only winnable games are the Broncos and Raiders. I can totally see the Raiders blowing this and giving it to the Doncs, especially after the Raiders get swept by the Chiefs.

You should go to my site sometimes and see how much of a homer I am...

I am sick of the penalties, I am sick of watching my team dominate for 3 qtrs and be sitting on the edge of my seat watching the team having to defend for their lives on the teams last drive of the game. I am sick of my team playing one way for 3 3/4 qtrs and then all they do is leave 2 mins on the clock.

Lots of things piss me off about my Raiders...

I love the team but they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory more than any team I have ever seen in my life.

The penalty thing is just wierd. No matter how many players and coaches they change, they always rack up the penalties. Most of them are reeruned personal fouls too.

Yes, yes they are.

It baffles me, Look I am all for a good holding penalty to protect the qb, even can handle a few motion penalties but the personal foul shit baffles me.

If I were an opponent of the Raiders, and I was down on the scoreboard I would send out a 3rd stringer to do nothing but pick a fight with a Raider because they are too stupid most of the time to back down and I have no idea why, even new players same shit... It gets old, there is no telling how many games the Raiders have lost over the past 10 years on penalties alone.

It's so bad that if the Raiders get less than 7 penalties a game I think that is actually good.

Famous CBS Sports Professional Expert Clark Judge Opinion: Oakland not only wins the AFC West, but they'll go deep into the playoffs.

Oakland not only wins the AFC West, but they'll go deep into the playoffs. I mean it. Carson Palmer makes them dangerous, and while I was skeptical what he could do coming off the couch to play, the last two weeks convinced me he's the right man in the right place. Keep in mind, each of those wins were achieved without Darren McFadden, the Raiders' top playmaker. And keep this in mind, too -- Oakland is 4-1 on the road, losing only when it blew an 18-point lead to Buffalo the second week of the season. The knock on the Raiders was that they couldn't win non-division games. Well, this just in: They're 4-2 against opponents outside the AFC West.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1...without-cutler

The cbssports "experts" make SlowMo look like a football genious.

Oakland 79.5%
Denver 11%
SD 9%
KC 0.5%

Every team in the AFC West has scenarios where they could win the division with 7 wins.

So this would be the most hilarious season of all time if the Chiefs lost the next three to drop to 4-9. We then rip off 3 wins against GB, Oakland, and Denver to finish 7-9 and win the division through tiebreakers. Then we play ugly ball in the playoffs, and somehow luck our way through to win the SB.

So what i am saying is: there's a chance.

I don't care who wins.

I'm just glad Denver isn't drafting Luck/Barkley/RG3

We're too far behind, with too many injuries and too many good teams on the schedule, plus we're just not playing well.

The Chargers are doing their annual self-destruction, plus they've got Choker Norv at the helm. They're too far behind and have too many problems.

Denver is a terrible team. Tebow is a terrible quarterback. They've been lucky.

As much as it pains me to say it, Oakland will probably back their way into the division title, and thus will earn the right to get pulverized by the Ravens in the first round.

The San Diego Chargers Will Fire Norv Turner - John Gennaro, Bolts from the Blue

Norv Turner's time in San Diego is almost over, I'm convinced. If he's still the Head Coach of the San Diego Chargers in 2012, I will eat my hat.

I've told anyone that has asked about Norv's job security that he was safe if the Chargers made the playoffs this season. If they didn't, he could be gone. Now, with the prospect of no playoffs for two consecutive years looming and the main reasons being that Norv's offense and his star pupil (Philip Rivers) are performing miserably, it seems like a sure thing.

7 of the 9 remaining games for the Chargers are against teams with winning records. 4 are against teams with at least 5 wins. The Chargers are 1-3 against teams they've played that currently have winning records, with that one win coming against the Chiefs (who are still not a very good team).

The San Diego Chargers have deteriorated into a bad team. They have no pass rush, they can't stop the run, they have issues in the secondary and they spend more time turning the ball over on offense than actually scoring. These aren't problems that will fix themselves, they are issues that have gotten worse and worse under Norv Turner's tenure as the coach.

The likeliest outcome from 2011 is now that the Raiders win the division and the Chargers are sitting at home again, "elite QB" and all. That is what it would take for the Spanos family and A.J. Smith to give up on Norv Turner as a Head Coach.

The number one reason Norv was hired was Philip Rivers. Rivers was going to will this team to a Super Bowl, as long as he had an Offensive Coordinator that could get the most out of him. That man was Norv, but when Rivers is leading the league in turnovers and the team is losing because of him (or winning in spite of him)....that job security as "Philip Rivers' mentor" sort of goes away.

Rivers is the only one that can save Norv Turner's job now. If he somehow turns back into 2009-2010 Rivers and carries the team to the playoffs on his back (with an MVP-like second half of the season), Turner could be safe. Otherwise, things will need to change in a hurry. A.J. Smith might have great respect for Norv, but he has no patience for missing the playoffs.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2011...re-norv-turner

Tebow will prvail, it is his destiny.

I grew up in Maryland, and lived there until last August, so I heard every bit of Norv Turner news while he was with the Redskins. I felt actually bad for the Chargers when I heard that they were getting him, because I knew that all of this was ahead of them.

Why blame Norv, he isn't the one throwing the INT's

Better them than us.

Now you know damn well you would be happy to make the playoffs and get beat by anyone...

You will never win another Superbowl with an attitude like that.

Bull****ingshit LMAO If a team cannot compete for a ring the next best thing is winning your division. This site flew the 2010 title across the top of the site all off season and still was last time I looked. Chiefs fans have answered every question about last season with "we won the west and you guys didnt"

They did and it beat the hell out of anything the rest of the west did last year. As far as the suck for luck crowd, hows that working out for you? As a fan at least as what I see as a fan, you pull for team to win and during the bad season you hope they play spoiler. Then again there are those who have new gear because they burn what they have when their team struggles~

Oh hell yes, You damn skippy.. Some of these guys here I truly feel bad for but others here are the dumbest of the dumb...

basically the "anybody but Cassel crowd"

Bumping...

And, I don't think those scenarios exist any longer... could be wrong though.

I was really pulling for the Bears yesterday. Oh well. 5 games to go and it's a 2 team race to see who loses first in the wildcard round.

Denver needs to find a way to win 1 more game than OAK at this point, maintain the tiebreakers with DIV/CONF records. And, just as the NFL offices would have it... 3 of Denver's remaining games are in Denver while the rest of the AFCW has 3 games on the road. (just wanted to get that out in the open early)

Raiders 7-4 / 2-2 div (split with Den) / 5-4 Conf
Broncos 6-5 / 3-2 div / 6-3 Conf
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Chiefs 4-7 / 2-2 div / 2-2 Conf
Chargers 4-7 / 2-3 div / 2-3 Conf

Raiders remaining: @ MIA / @ GBP / DET / @ KCC / SDC
Broncos remaining: @ MIN / CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC
Chiefs remaining: @ CHI / @ NYJ / GBP / OAK / @ DEN
Chargers remaining: @ JAX / BUF / BAL / @ DET / @ OAK

Oakland to the AFC championship, apparently. ;)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ht=Mike+Silver

Theres one thing for sure, The Chiefs won't be there unless they have tickets

Kind of like you guys last year, amirite?

I'm kinda hoping that Oakland finds a way to lose a couple of these... primarily against the Packers and Lions. Miami could surprise next week.

Fortunately for Denver, MIN may be without Peterson again (I haven't read the latest), we know that Cutler is out for CHI... who knows what you get @ BUF and then KC at home.

Crazy to think that Oakland hasn't been over .500 since the 2002 season... that was 6 Head Coach's ago.

Really? A Donk fan wanting the Raiders to lose?

Donk's and Cheaps haven't done much better

Weird isn't it...

And, you know that deep down... you fear it will happen.

I don't fear the Donks at all actually

Please refer to us as "The 2010 Defending AFC West Division Champion Chiefs". It's more accurate.

Ok and I am not even going to mention that somebody had to win it last year per NFL rules:thumb:

As opposed to the Raider domination of the division this year? Please.

FYP

Don't you wish you had a weapon like this?

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It's uncanny how much you are wrong.

Not good enough to put it inside the 20, eh?

He was only concerned with kicking it over Hesters head

Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?