Ten Things About Last Night's Game
 

Ten Things About Last Night's Game

10. I took last week off, which was the first actual week of pure vacation I've had in about a year and a half. Saw Mizzou beat Notre Dame in basketball; saw the last MU-KU football game for the forseeable future; did Thanksgiving in a little tiny town in North Central Kansas; even had a date with my wife. We saw "Puss In Boots." Hey, it was all good! Then we wrapped it all up with the second nationally televised Chiefs game in a week, the turd in the punchbowl called "The Tyler Palko Show." I was thinking this morning, what was worse - The New England game, getting blasted 34-3, or last night, having a chance to win with a minute left and losing 13-9? They're both gut wrenchingly bad, its just that the defense played much better against Rapistburger than they did against Brady.

9. On the way to work this morning I heard a Chiefs commercial. The commercial says something to the effect of "Make Arrowhead as difficult as possible on our opponents." I hate to tell the Chiefs PR wanks this, but of the 71,000 plus there last night, around half of those were Steeler fans. Of course, when your team has been in eight super bowls and won six of them, you're going to have a lot of fans. Being a Steeler fan in football is like being a Yankee fan in baseball: You know you're not going to have to wait around long for a championship season. Of course, Clark Hunt could care less whether the 71,000 fans wore red and gold or black and gold, as long as they had green, that's winning as he measures it. The Hunts are about business, not about football. Last night, in the eyes of Clark the Business Shark, business was good. Very good, indeed.

8. Back to Tyler Failco, AKA Tyler Picko, AKA Tyler Pittsko, AKA Tyler Callabaloo. Six picks and a fumble in two games is no way to go through life, son. Wrap your head around this for a minute: Last night's stat line for Palko: 18-28 for 64%, 167 yards, average pass completion approx 6 yards. Also three picks and a fumble lost. Zero TDs. Passer rating: 40.9. Palko vs. Detroit: One pass attempt, Zero completions, passer rating: 39.6. Now, measure that against Cassel's last start against Denver: 13-28 for 46%, 93 yards, average pass completion approx 3.5 yards. One TD, no picks, passer rating: 66.5. So except for Palko's obvious red/black color blindness problem, he's equal to or better than Cassel's last effort. Point is, had Cassel played, he would have been just as bad. Chiefs just would have punted three more times instead of handing the ball over on picks. Same result, drive stalls, ball turned over.

7. One final thing on Callabaloo: His performance was actually better than a former Chiefs first round draft pick. Yes, that's right. In 1985, Todd Blackledge (AKA Todd Sackledge) played a home game against the LA Rams, and the Chiefs lost 16-0. Sackledge threw six picks in that one game. Six picks...in one game. His stat line was 14-32 for 161 yards, almost identical to Palko's line last night, and Palko only had four turnovers. So, if you want to qualify disasters by saying "it could have been worse," I've actually seen worse. But not by much. Oh, and Blackledge's team finished the 1985 season 6-10, which is better than the 2011 Chiefs will finish.

6. I heard several post game interviews this morning. The ones with Kyle Orton were especially amusing. The Chiefs PR wanks have done a great job coaching him on media-speak. He was asked three different questions by three different reporters, all basically asking "Could you have played? Have you learned the offense? Is KC's offense that much different from Denver?" Orton gave the exact same answer to each question: "I'm just glad to be here. I'm trying to learn the offense as quickly as possible. I just want to help the team win." He said the exact same thing to the three questions almost word for word. Here's the scary thing: The Chiefs pick up Orton off the street. And he is, arguably, better than any QB the Chiefs started the season with. Let's look at 2010 lines: Cassel: 15 starts, 58% completion ratio, just over 3100 yards, 27 TDs, 7 picks, 2 fumbles lost. Orton: 13 starts, 59% completion ratio, just over 3650 yards (playing two fewer games than Cassel), 20 TDs, 9 picks, 1 fumble lost. So in playing two less games than Cassel, he threw for more than 500 more yards, had about the same amount of turnovers and a few less TDs. So both guys are basically the same guy. And we picked him up off the street. What does that say to depth at QB, the most important position on the team? Not much, Mr. Pioli.

5. Why did the Chiefs draft Stanzi? They must not think much of him. I have not watched the NBC broadcast yet -I'll watch it tonight when I get home from work- but I noticed at halftime Coach Haley was having a very spirited discussion with QB Coach Jim Zorn. He was jawing with Zorn pretty good, and kept looking over a Palko on the bench. I think Haley was seriously considering benching Palko in the second half, and Zorn talked him out of it. Since we kicked off, Pittsburgh got the ball first to start the second half. I think if we would have gotten the second half kickoff, Haley might have made the change. Stanzi was warming up more seriously during halftime then he did during pre-game. So I think the temptation was there to change, and Haley decided to stick with Palko. Turned out, bad choice.

4. I still can't get a hold on Coach Haley's game management. You fake a punt to continue a drive, then when you get fourth and two with seven minutes left on the Steeler 22 yard line, you lose your nerve, kick a field goal, and you're still down by four; hoping to get the ball back. The defense did get the ball back, but Palko proved to be worse in the two minute drill than normal game time. Either way, you need seven to tie. So why not go for it with seven minutes? If you fail, you give the Steelers a long field, and still have time to get the ball back and try again. Taking a field goal there does you no good. You just lose by four instead of seven. The Chiefs offense has failed to produce a TD in 41 straight possessions. That's staggeringly bad offense from a head coach who is supposed to be an offensive guru. Fail, fail, and more fail.

3. The defense played its best since the Oakland game. I think Pittsburgh came in thinking it just had to step on the field to win. DJ had nine tackles, Hali caused at least three holding penalties and was chasing Rapistburger all night long. Houston played well, as did Kendrick Lewis. The one Steeler TD drive was punctuated by several official calls that sustained the drive. Not activating "The Donald" Washington and having McGraw back helped the pass defense a lot. Steeler receivers were held pretty much in check save for the one TD by a backup tight end. The defense was on the field more than they should have been, yet they held up. Nothing but respect for them, they played hard and played to win. They just got zero help from the offense or special teams.

2. When Troy Head-n-Shoulders got knocked out, the Steeler run defense was compromised somewhat. Still, KC's longest run of the night was only nine yards. That's another big reason Palko was forced to throw so much, no real help from the ground game. That last two minute drill was its own special kind of cluster fuck. They mis-managed the clock before the two minute warning. Then Fat Albert gets dinged up, they put in Gaither The Human Speed Bump, who's only contribution to the evening is forgetting the snap count. They pull Gaither, put Fat Albert back in, Pittsburgh uses the interruption to re-set their defense. Then Callabaloo throws into triple coverage to end it. Was it mis-communication? Was Bowe supposed to go long and broke off his route? Who knows? And who cares, really. It just shows how important the QB-Receiver relationship is when its crunch time. These guys looked like they just met for the first time in the parking lot before the game. And if three guys are on Bowe, somebody has to be open somewhere else.

1. The season is toast. KC might steal a win against Chicago, or Oakland, or Denver, but for all practical purposes, it's all over. Coach Haley will not get fired. The front office will blame the whole year on injuries. They'll probably try to re-sign Orton, promise him a shot at starting, and go into next year with Cassel/Orton as the one-two QB lineup. Which will mean more of the same dink and dunk offense. Chiefs will draft a tackle, and talk about how excited they are to go into the year with Bowe, Baldwin, Moeacki, Charles and Dexter McNuthin. It will be business as usual. The most important thing to the front office is, season ticket renewals will go out this week. Nothing like putting millions of dollars in the bank and drawing interest on it for six months. And if you thought a stadium half full of Steeler Fans was bad, just wait until December 18th when the stadium is 3/4 full of Cheeseheads.

Can I ask which tiny little town?

The lovely metropolis of Frankfort, Kansas. On Kansas Highway 99 Northeast of Manhattan.

Puss in Boots huh? Sounds romantic

Been there many times. Nice little town!

It was nice. Haven't been to a movie in a long time. Enjoyed the animation a lot.

heh, i saw it....it was 1000x more entertaining than the Chiefs of 2011.

The season is toast? And hows that? I have many bets up that Greenbay loses to KC no matter who they start at QB. KC can easily win out. If Oakland and Denver both lose atleast two, which is going to happen, it's KC's division. Easy.

I just gagged.

Someone explain to me why they didn't give Stanzi a chance to sling the rock.

Sorry I can't polish the turd. This is the way I see it. They're never going to admit they screwed up by giving Cassel $60 million.

NOBODY KNOWS

IT'S ONE OF LIFE's WTF SITUATIONS!

How did they build the pyramids?

What happened to Atlantis?

Who really shot JFK?

Are there aliens visiting us?

Will Kim Kardashian find true love again?

Why won't they give Stanzi a chance?

Crack pipe. Put it down.

FYP

Who does Pioli give up on first? Haley or Cassel?
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It was painful to see all the Terrible Towels at kickoff -- luckily, I was surrounded by Chiefs fans in my section. What's even more painful is that I don't think Clark Hunt gives a damn about his stadium being invaded by opposing fans. Like you said, green = victory for him.

And the season ticket promos RIGHT after the game? Hilarious. I remember they played one inside the stadium after a loss a couple of years back, and it was met with a shit storm of boos.

Neither?

How did they build the pyramids?
Whips and expendable labor
What happened to Atlantis?
Never really bought into it but if I had to guess the same thing that happened to the guys who organized the pyramids, shit happens
Who really shot JFK?
The mafia, The Kennedy's made their fortune off of bootlegging then turned their backs on some very powerful people
Are there aliens visiting us?
Probably not but I'm open to discussion
Will Kim Kardashian find true love again?
That vapid whore doesn't know what it is
Why won't they give Stanzi a chance?
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Oh, well thank you for clearing all that up.

You know he wants to buy some. I got it cheap.

But even not on crack it's easy and simple to see the Chiefs are going to win out. Especially if they start Orton.

Now, that's just not fair.

Observations from the game.
1. The D looks a lot better bringing pressure the last two weeks. I'm glad Romeo finally adjusted.
2. Houston and Gordon are showing some life.
3. Pass blocking was excellent, except for Richardson.
4. Run blocking was weak.
5. Hudson seemed to fit in well and played on par with everyone else.
6. Flowers and Carr seemed to start a bit shakey, It was good to see them settle down.
7. Haley's game management is still a big problem.
8. In a QB driven league, it's really sad to see KC completely 100% mismanage the position over 3 years.


For #8 alone, the entire staff should be pillaged, razed and salted.

Wow look at all this rep I have now. I'm popular!

I'm here to help

yea that pretty well sums it mr fish ... sadly .....

What?

Dexter Lackluster.

So Stanzi won't get a chance until whips and expendable labor get involved?

I can't help but think, if they would have played Stanzi and he played well, then you have a "QB controversy." Quite a bit different than Denver, who gave Donk Jesus a shot, and now they're in the hunt for a division. I just think Pioli is so sold on the "Patriot Right 53" BS that he won't admit Cassel is a big mistake, and wants no distractions for Cassel's return next year. They've already flushed this year, now in their minds, they don't want to poison the well for next year. That's how I read it, anyway.

One other thing about Steeler fans. I don't hate them, like Raider or Donk fans. They are what we should aspire to be. They travel in droves, they support their team to the fullest, and the team is the identity of their city. Pittsburgh and KC are very similar towns. KC hasn't even sniffed a Super Bowl since Montana was here 18 years ago. Imagine what KC fans would be like if we had been to 8 superbowls? I feel the same about the Packer fans. Hard to dislike them, they are very loyal to their team.

The thing about the Steelers and Packers is, the teams have been loyal to the fans too. They've busted their asses as organizations to get good coaches, players, the best of everything. Football is the only thing that matters to them. Not so much here. Money is what matters to our ownership, especially pocketing $30 million of it annually off the salary cap whenever possible.

But Stanzi wouldn't have palyed well.

Spel chek iz fur puzies.....

FYP

Nah, I deleted that off of Tivo mid-way through the 3rd quarter last year.

Does Pioli need to explain the whole cap available vs. cash available dynamic to you, yet again? It's like the Chiefs have come down with a terminal case of David Glass-itis.

Great post but Haley is far from an offense mastermind. Besides in Arizona, when he had Weisenhunts offense and Kurt plus Fitz, when has he shown that on his own he is an offensive matermind? We are the suck when Haley calls the plays.

That's the deal right there. Both are small market teams, like KC. Both had early success and faltered, like KC. But BOTH righted the ship and kept their fanbase support. KC had the same opportunity, and failed. I think I read at one time that Kraft even modeled the Pats on the Chiefs organization. Yet here we are, and unless we can come up with a QB, we have what we saw last nite. No hope.

Let's not forget the whole how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop question.

Or how many to get to the center of a Kardashian....

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You magic eight ball certainly has a lot of choices.

Good writeup. As always. Can't say I disagree with any of it.

#1 makes me want to puke. But I see it happening. If they bring Cassel back, I may find something else to do on Sundays. Upgrading Cassel will help this team more than anything they could possibly do. And everybody knows it but Pioli/Haley, whomever is making the decision there. I'm not sure I can give it another year.

And there is absolutely no reason to not try Stanzi. The D is playing lights out, and holds a good offense to 13 points, and we can't score 10. Breaston and Bowe are making plays, and we're able to get a little on rushes. The deficiency is Palko. It makes no sense to shy away from Stanzi. It wouldn't have taken much of a spark to get it going. Hell, if Palko doesn't throw his first INT and Breaston catches it, and everything else remains the same, we win. Just mind boggling.

True. GB has the best traveling fanbase in the NFL by far. In Tampa, for years they sold Bucs-Packers "solo" game tickets in 3 or 4 game packages, in an attempt to discourage Pack fans from buying them up. They may still do that, for all I know.

Based on your assessment, Sunday ticket is out for next year as well.

My son was asking me, which season was the best Chiefs Season of all time? To which I responded, when they had Joe Montana, the lost the AFC title game to a 4 time SB loser, but that was in my lifetime. They did win a super bowl.

He says to me, if they ever win a Super Bowl while we are alive, you owe me a dollar. The kid still has faith, I don't. Oh well, at least I was able to pass, "There is always next year", down to another generation.

You would hate steeler fans if you lived on the east coast.

#4 drove me nuts... I was screaming my head off when they kicked the FG instead of going for it. Gained absolutely nothing from the FG, and literally had everything to gain from going for it.

Steeler fans around me were laughing their asses off...

This is the saddest thing I've ever read.

You should include a very strongly worded letter with your renewal check.

hey george, don't know about the second, but in the first half, I saw Haley come over and talk to Palko only once after the first drive...then nada...pretty odd considering he said he was looking forward to his progression...not one word of encouragment.

George, if Orton is the starter we will not be running a dink and dunk offense.

He can throw the ball down the field.

Minus the check.....

yeah, now that you mention it, it does seem odd that he didn't talk to his starting qb during the game...

that would be startling after watching castle throwing the ball...

fun to watch though...

poor palco should find a new line of work...

It only takes money.

If you can't say something nice...

Lost cause. I wouldn't have talked to Failco either.

Possibly didn't talk to Failco because he had already written him off and Zorn was the only one talking to him. Again I think there is more to this QB situation than just Haley playing the wrong guy. :hmmm:

During the games all year, the only guy who is in the QB's ear is Jim Zorn. Usually Cassel or Palko will sit on the bench and look at the still photos in a 3-ring binder. They take the photos from the crow's nest up in each end zone. They look at defensive alignments at the snap, and that tells the QB -in last night's case Palko- where to expect to throw their next pick....

Maybe if we tell Palko to throw the ball to the other team he'll actually hit our receievers in stride...:hmmm:

Couldn't agree more with everything stated.

I was very confused that we didn't go for it on 4th in the 4th. Either way we'd still need a TD, and if you trust your defense to get you the ball back after kicking, then why can't you trust them to get you the ball back if you happen to miss the 4th down? It just doesn't make any logical sense, especially considering your offense hasn't moved the ball well enough to believe they'd actually be able to get down there again anyway.

Then, the clock management at the end of the game was absolutely horrible. There was 2:45 on the clock and we let 45 seconds drip away down to the 2 min warning, ran 1 single play. That play...a run for about 1 yard. 45 seconds...1 play...1 yard.

Then we get down to the point where there's only 40 seconds or so left, you're still at mid-field, and you've QB who clearly isn't comfortable throwing the ball. That's one way to put him a position to fail. I just don't get it.

I also don't understand how no matter who we have at QB, they're constantly banging on their helmet and yelling at the sideline begging for a play to get called. Maybe they were trying to figure out what type of play they could call that wouldn't result in a turnover, but there again, it doesn't seem to matter what QB is in there. It happens all the time. It's getting really old.

I was in rare form last night. I usually just cheer and don't get involved with the booing and what-not. Last night, though, I was definitely calling for Stanzi. Every "quiet" moment I got I was screaming as loud as I could for Stanzi. Especially after the 2nd pick, and then the following drives where we proceeded to run McBunkerBuster, ready to explode at any time and leave the ball on the ground, right up the middle for some quick 3 and outs. If you can't use your QB, get him off the field.

On that note, after the game as I was leaving the lot I switched over to 810 real quick and heard Bill Maas saying that Stanzi hurt his ankle in practice this week and was really only there in case Palko got hurt and couldn't continue.

Still, though, leaving Palko in there when he clearly can't throw the ball and allowing the Steelers to stack the box and take away your run game isn't going to work for anybody...but the opposing team.

I just don't get it.

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At least Palko took shots downfield even though his noodle arm couldn't get the job done.


Cassel rarely tried.

One thing about all this season's games:

Haley must go!

I loved readin your posts, but I have to comment on a few things.

6) Orton threw for more yards then Cassel because of the offense they ran in Denver. They were an air it out team while we were a running team. But yes, they are basically the same which is sad for us.

4) I don't disagree with the FG. With as bad as our offense is, you have to take any points you can get and hope for a miracle like a defensive or ST's TD. We haven't scored a TD in 41 straight possessions, why would that drive have been any different?

3)Love how their only TD came against Sabby who started the pregame ruckus last night. Classic. Overall though the defense was lights out and it shows again why we need to resign Carr.

1) I hope you are wrong about us stealing a win because at this time wins are pointless and only hurt our draft stock. I also hope you are wrong about us resigning Orton and having him and Cassel compete for the starting job next year.

After the game, I heard someone on the radio (Gammon?) say, "We just need to wait for next year when we'll have Berry, Charles, Moeaki, and Cassel back." And, of course, Mitch agreed. I wanted to puke.

Are people really this obtuse?

They ran that offense because Orton was capable of executing it.

Put Cassel in that offense, throwing to Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd, with a lackluster (26th) running game, and he wouldn't come close to Orton's production. The guy averaged 7.34 YPA. Had he played in all 16 games in 2010, he throws for 4,500 yards.

Put Orton in a Muir ran offense instead of a McDaniels ran offense and see if he puts up those numbers.

Cassel has Tennesse eyeballs/Okie Apparition

I disagree. If they thought Cassel was the answer, they would have rode out Palko and Stanzi and said... "see Cassel is clearly the best QB on the roster." The fact that they brought in Orton, to me, indicates that they want to see if Orton will do better than Cassel.

I don't think Pioli is married to Cassel anymore. What worries me is that Orton plays better than Cassel, and they assume that he is the answer. The good news is, even if Orton does well, I am positive they won't be as emotionally attached to him as they were with Cassel.

Grandpa gets real tired, looking at Haley's flowchart.

Great post. I agree on point #4. Ever notice that Haley resorts to a lot more gimmicks and fakes and onsides when our team is at a serious talent disadvantage? He did it a ton in 2009. Didn't do it much in 2010 and early 2011. Is starting to do it again. I think he's clearly showing that he doesn't think a Palko-led team can win without a few lucky bounces. And I think he's right.

On #3, Piscitelli needs to be cut. It's hard to imagine you could do much worse than him in terms of talent, and his attitude sucks. Lose/lose. I'm really curious to see what becomes of Daniels. I really liked him as a nickel/dime back. Might make for a very good backup Safety.

On #6... terrific point. People claim Haley is a horizontal offense guy. I disagree. He wasn't in Arizona. I think he went horizontal because that's all Cassel could do (it's all he did in New England). It will be interesting to see what they do now that they have a guy who doesn't mind going vertical.

Saw you on TV, George.

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But you don't need seven to tie either way. If you go for it and fail, you need seven to tie. If kick the FG, you need seven to win. Either way, if you don't get a TD, you lose. But one scenario involves winning right then and there, the other involves overtime and crossing your fingers.

I'm amazed at how many people are acting like that's a meaningless distiction.

And when the 4th down situation came up, and you're deciding which course of action would give you the best chance to win the game, what are your options?

A) Go for it on 4th down, convert it, ultimately score the TD, stop the Steelers defensively in a situation where the game is now tied and Ben Roethlisberger, one of the great clutch QBs of our time, is in a situation where he has to score points, get the ball back, drive into FG range, kick the game winner.

or

B) Kick the FG, stop the Steelers defensively in a situation where they're sitting on a lead and not as aggressive, get the ball back, go for a TD.

Haley chose option B. You can disagree, but I don't know how anyone can act like they can't wrap their mind around it.

I can think of nothing that would sting Denver worse than Orton winning a Superbowl with the Chiefs.



Since that's not going to happen.........

while palko did ultimately fail last night, i was glad not to see him not get a play off, screaming @ the sideline to Haley (ala casshole).
i've never understood the inability to get a play off in time (ala casshole).
palko did yell @ receivers on several accounts to be in the right formation. if there was any postive, that may have been it.

Is that really George? I remember him from last night.

Probably not, but that's how I imagine him.

Did you really just make that argument?

This. And I'm betting this is gonna be the overall thinking of Pioli and co. as well. Idiots. :shake:

Should have gone for it in the fourth ... instead of sending in Succup.

Big mistake.

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:thumb:And here I sat thinking I was the only Hunt hater... Nice...