Crennel: Orton Should be Starting QB in 2012 if He Wins Final 2 Games
 

This could very well be a repost, so I apologize in advance if it is. I didn't see it anywhere on the first page unless it's mixed in on another thread. Pretty interesting that Crennel has come out and said this already IMO.


Interim coach Romeo Crennel said Kyle Orton should be the Chiefs' 2012 starter if he wins the final two games.
There's a ton of uncertainty in Kansas City, so Crennel is getting way ahead of himself here. He's no lock to get the head coaching job, Orton is an impending free agent, and Matt Cassel is under contract through 2014. Still, Orton may truly be a better option than Cassel. The Chiefs would be foolish not to at least consider using him as a "bridge" to a rookie quarterback they might draft in April. Dec 20 - 8:59 AM
Source: Kansas City Star

http://dev.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3214/kyle-orton

Read it in another thread, but it's definately worth it's own

I tend to agree. Draft his successor in April and give the kid time to sit and learn.

I am all about the final sentence in that paragraph.

This.

I have no problem with that, IF we go ahead and draft another QB as well. NOBODY expected us to win the last three games.

If Chiefs keep Orton, Cassel and Stanzi, there needs to be a situation where the best QB is the starter next year. Competition in camp for the starting QB. I know for certain that would not be Cassel and all of Chiefs nation needs to be heard if Cassel is starting QB next year.

It's interesting that this is gaining some traction both nationally and locally. These last two games are very winnable games. If Orton wins these two games, it will really put some pressure on Pioli to make this decision I think.

Is this in the groom a qb handbook or something?

Why do they always have to sit and learn?

Obviously, Crennel knows the job is a lost cause if Cassel is the starter.

Why, in KC, do they always have to start day 1?

So, if Orton starts, we have to keep Cassel, and we draft a QB in April, then we can dump Palko (thank goodness) and drop Stanzi. I really wish we could have seen a bit more of Stanzi this year.

It's in Reerun's groom a qb handbook.

Orton can show em the ropes on the best way to down a fifth of jack. Stanzi's already showing promise!!

Here is the exact quote that everyone is running with:

On his confidence in using Orton for the long term: “For the next few weeks I’m going to be pretty confident. If we win these next few games with him and he continues to play like he did today, then you might have to say that. You see what kind of production a player has and then you make a determination whether that production will continue and if you want that type of player on your team. So if he continues to do what he did today, then I would say, ‘Yes.’”

I certainly don't think that's a foregone conclusion. If Pioli signs Orton to an extension, I think it could very well signal the end of Cassel. And there is certainly nothing to suggest that they would have to dump Stanzi either.

Because we will not be in position to draft one of the "plug and play" QBs.

Why can't the rest of the world see it?

Okay. I was just under the impression that we would have to keep him. If Orton gets an extension, and we can get rid of Cassel....I still would be more comfortable keeping Stanzi as a backup if we'd seen more from him this season. Damn it, Haley!

Why in KC do we have to football cliche it to death and groom him?

The background of your avatar doesn't blend into the sidebar properly. I redid the color on it if you're interested:

:harumph:

Of course...

I'm and idiot. To think a draft pick QB will ever start during his rookie year & that growth with the team for long term success can take place.

dude so totally awesome!

Oh great, now you had to give me something else to worry about.

They have a ready-made excuse (thanks a lot Haley!) to bring Cassel back because we need a "proven" backup.

Stupid shit like that bugs me for some reason. Maybe I'm OCD?

Anyway, it's there if you want it.

Yep, I can't help remember how Beldsoe was run out of town after Brady took over. If Orton were to capture the job I could see the Chiefs keeping Cassel as backup for a year just to give Pioli and Crennel an opportunity to ensure Orton is for real. Orton is definitely bringing excitement to what had become a letdown season.

they will not draft a 1st rd qb they have stanzi

yep

Chiefs are the most bass ackwards team in the NFL.


Only team not to start a "rookie" QB in over 30 years. Now it comes to sitting behind kyle ****ing orton. ****ing unreal.

****!

Do you really think they will, though?

That's not their style. They could've let Cassell play under the tag for a season before hitting them with their monster deal. They chose to jump the gun.

I see an interim HC who wants the full time gig. Giving his best hope of getting the job, all the confidence he can safely muster

This is absolutely true. Orton isn't the answer going forward, but he'd better damn well be the starter next year.

He can start first few games, but **** Orton. The sooner we play a draft pick prospect the better for long term success.

They had 11ty billion in cap room.

If you were going to lock him up to a long term deal they were genius in the structure if not the amount...

Who other than Scott Pioli and SensibleChiefsFan think Cassel can play? Crennel is what, in his mid 60s? He's too old and rich to become a head coach just to be a head coach and probably doesn't even want the job if he is tied to Cassel.

Yep. That's what I was thinking as I typed out my response. I don't see them permanently moving Stanzi up the depth chart with him being an unknown....unless they see a lot during practice and camp. If Orton gets an extension, I don't see us letting Cassel go (unfortunately).

I was really surprised when Crennel came right out and said this during his first post game presser when he doesn't even for sure have the job. I kind of expected a more politically correct answer but he came right out and said what was on his mind. IMO thats one of the positives about him as a potential HC. At least he doesn't sound opposed to replacing a player if they are outperformed by somebody else. True competition at all positions can only be good for the team.

Much better thanks a million homeboy!

yep, Stanzi has never played with our starters, so they really dont know how good he could be..
Cassel and Palko have and failed, the Chiefs need to keep Stanzi over both these guys.

Glad you like it!

You two need to get a room.

In the interview with Hunt, Pioli asked why the team had so little success in the playoffs since the early 70's? Pioli was making a point to Hunt that so little success for such a long period was a sign of a endemic problem existing throughout all levels of the organization not just on the team. Ever wonder why he only keep two scouts from the old organization (Willie Davis being one)? Because they were the only two that showed a serious desire to learn a new method. Pioli was given a go and Pioli literally cleaned house after the 2009 draft.

What does this have to do with Cassel? He was the first step in creating the "right 53" or the "we can find 22 players off the street that can win more than two games"? They must have believed Cassel had already demonstrated in New England what they wanted in the new QB. Pioli and Belichick did the same thing with Bledsoe, brought him in first year then had no problem replacing him with Brady. The question, does Pioli and Crennel believe Orton is an upgrade over Cassel? If they do, based on Pioli's history, I don't think they will hesitate replacing Cassel with Orton.

They have eyes. They will make the right decision and either put Cassel on 2nd string or let him go.

:clap:

Have no idea.

Just because Pioli passed on Mark Sanchez and Jimmy Clausen doesn't mean he will pass every time.

neither guy has proven to be that good so apparently he was correct.


how attached is he to Cassel? :shrug:


The shitty hire of Todd Haley has really screwed up the entire flow of evaluation and rebuilding.

If he was so attached to Cassel, why would he have gone the Kyle Orton route?

Nice.

:banghead:

gone to Orton because gone Cassel

Looks like Corky - plays like DeBerg...

Apparently he is open to the idea that Cassel is a problem.


But ... much like around here, there is still the conflict about changing the Head Coach and the QB at the same time. Hurts your ability to gauge how much of the problem was the HC and how much was the QB.

It isn't just Todd Haley, he signed Matt Cassel at the same time. The two really can't be reasonably separated.

Because Cassel was out for the season, Palko sucked, and Orton only had a few games left on his contract.

Picking up Orton really says nothing about how he feels about Cassel because Cassel is on IR.

Exactly.

Indeed

Sure it does. For the last 2 years, all I've read is how Pioli won't bring in any competition for QB. With the season half way over, and injuries all over the place, KC could have easily sat still and just played Stanzi (everyone) or Palko (Haley). Pioli knew that if Orton played well, it would start a QB controversy.

i haven't noticed Cassel on the sidelines the last three weeks, could that mean more than we think about his relationship with Pioli?

i mean when the colts play we see Manning on the sidelines helping the backup QB's
just curious.

Cassel was on the sideline Sunday and was wearing an earpiece. Whether he was communicating with the team or talking to his wife on the cellphone, I have no idea.

Cassel has been on the sideline
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Orton should be handed the starting job after one game about as much as Crennel should be handed the head coaching job after one game.

Yes but you have to admit,matt would of never moved the ball like that.He would of got freaked out and would of thrown atleast 3 picks.

I don't care if he loses these last two games, Cassel should not be back here.

that's not true

Cassel just wouldn't of seen several of the 2nd/3rd options that Orton did and would of ran or gotten sacked.

For that to be done then Crennel needs to convince Pioli to trade/cut Cassel going into next year or there will be a QB controversy. As stated in the OP I'm good with it as long as the Chiefs bring in a rookie and take a look at Stanzi as well. This team needs a QB in place for the next decade that can make us a competitor for championships.

Is that a helmet on Rodger's head? No it IS NOT!!

http://twentytwowords.com/wp-content...hotobomber.jpg

Saying Orton is better than Cassel is like saying a Honda Fit is a better racing car than a Kia Rio.

Jesus Christ, we are talking about Kyle ****ing Orton and Matt ****ing Cassel..

People cant actually be spending time debating this shit, can they?

Posts in this particular Kyle Orton thread by Reerun_KC:

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he should if he continues winning ...

You two need to calibrate your monitors. I can still see a slight square around the edge. Why not just make the background transparent? It's a GIF after all.

says the man with a SmartCar

Orton is his new Herm Edwards.

cassel will leave and become the new JASON BABIN

Hmm, good point. OK, I redid it with a transparent background.

There you go. Now it is suitable for any situation in which you might want to identify yourself as a reerun.

it needs a pirate hat?