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Hammock Parties 12-25-2011 12:35 PM

Chiefs Must Hire Jeff Fisher
 
Chiefs Must Hire Jeff Fisher

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With their Christmas Eve loss to the Oakland Raiders, the Kansas City Chiefs are on the clock for 2012. In two weeks we’ve seen what Romeo Crennel can do. Now it’s time to see what Jeff Fisher can do.

Had the Chiefs won on Saturday, coupled with losses by San Diego at Detroit and Denver at Buffalo, Kansas City had a chance to win their second consecutive AFC West title.

But that didn’t happen thanks to a horrific offensive game plan, Dwayne Bowe’s drop in the end zone in the first half and two long bombs that took advantage of KC’s pitiful deep secondary. So with the Chiefs out of the playoff chase, it’s time to get realistic about the future of this football team. That means Chairman Clark Hunt needs to hire Jeff Fisher as Kansas City’s next head coach.

I’ve seen all I need to see in regards to interim head coach Romeo Crennel. He’s a great defensive coordinator. He’s been the primary reason the Chiefs have six wins to this point in the season. But going forward, he’s not the right fit at head coach.

If you want to be the permanent head coach, you don’t allow your team to lose it’s fifth straight to Oakland at home. It’s harsh, but Crennel failed his audition to become the next head coach of the Chiefs.

Defensively, his talents are unprecedented. There isn’t a better coordinator at the NFL level than Crennel. As a head coach, he’s not as sharp. Granted, he’s inheriting the mess leftover by his predecessor, Todd Haley. But had he won on Saturday, I might have felt different.

With rumors already circulating that the Chiefs might have something in place with Jeff Fisher, it’s time to discuss his hire as a potential reality. In my view, other than Bill Cowher, who reportedly interviewed with the San Diego Chargers last week, Fisher is the only option for the Chiefs.

After continual run-ins with Titans owner Bud Adams, Fisher was let go a year ago. Ever since then, he’s kept an eye open for his next NFL gig.

Should the Chiefs hire him, Fisher will bring a coaching stability to the organization that hasn’t been present since Marty Schottenheimer. Before that, you’d have to go back to Hank Stram as a stabilizing force.

Fisher is in that class, and could spend the next 10 years at the helm of the Chiefs. I believe that’s what Clark Hunt is looking for as he takes a more hands-on role with his football team.

There’s been much said about his unwillingness to spend money, but that won’t be the case in his search for KC’s next head coach. He’s already paying general manager Scott Pioli a king’s ransom, so I can’t see why he would be stingy when it comes to grabbing one of the best coaches available.

Per our source, Hunt is prepared to pay whatever it takes to land one of the premier coaching candidates. That includes Fisher.

But does Fisher want to coach the Chiefs? He’d be a fool not to. Of all the coaching vacancies open now or in the near future, Kansas City is poised for long-standing success. With plenty of starters returning on both sides of the ball next year, a ton of cash to spend in free agency and quite likely a last place schedule in 2012, the Chiefs might even be favored to win the AFC West next year.

The rebuilding process in Kansas City is nearly over. Right now it’s a matter of Hunt, Pioli and, hopefully, Fisher, getting this team ready to take the next step. With the lockout behind us, they’ll enjoy a normal offseason.

The 2011 season should serve as a learning experience for Hunt, Pioli, the coaching staff and most of the players. There’s a fine line between the 32 teams in the NFL. On any given Sunday, any team can beat another.

In Kansas City next season, Fisher could make that dynamic work for the Chiefs and return the franchise to the playoffs.

The organization needs to seize this opportunity, learn from their previous mistakes and charge ahead. The Chiefs need to reward their enormous fan base for their long standing patience and support.

It’s time to bring in the right head coach. Someone with fresh ideas and no ties to anyone else within the organization. It’s time for a new direction.

That means it’s Fisher time in Kansas City.

Iconic 12-25-2011 12:36 PM

No.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-25-2011 12:37 PM

This is what happens when a "journalist" gets himself pot-committed to a story, he latches his credibility to the outcome that is beyond his control.

milkman 12-25-2011 12:39 PM

Yes, the Chiefs need to hire Jeff Fisher, so they can approach the level of consistent mediocrity that Marty brought to the Chiefs.

That would just be so exciting.

DaKCMan AP 12-25-2011 12:39 PM

What a crappy article based upon a "source" that is less credible than dogshit.

Chieftain58 12-25-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8236113)
No.

Double NO! What has he won?

Mr. Plow 12-25-2011 12:41 PM

God no.

Ebolapox 12-25-2011 12:45 PM

I'd hire a ****ing prostitute to be our head coach if it meant we'd get RGIII or luck.

FD 12-25-2011 12:45 PM

God no. Fisher is the most overrated coach in football.

Sure-Oz 12-25-2011 12:46 PM

So who does everyone want as the HC?

Bowser 12-25-2011 12:49 PM

Fisher would be fine, provided he hangs on to Crennel for defense, and gets a guy like Norv Turner for offense.

BoneKrusher 12-25-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8236129)
Fisher would be fine, provided he hangs on to Crennel for defense, and gets a guy like Norv Turner for offense.

or
Romeo would be fine to run the Defense and be the HC if we had a guy like Norv as OC.

BossChief 12-25-2011 12:57 PM

Didn't these sources not too long ago say Clark wasn't gonna pay over 3 million for a coach?

Now he is willing to pay whatever it takes?

chiefzilla1501 12-25-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 8236128)
So who does everyone want as the HC?

I want a fair open process that explores people outside of the tree.

I'm especially intrigued by Mike Zimmer. And he happens to be within the tree.

Also, keep in mind that the best coaches aren't always the exceptional X's and O's guys. If the CHiefs look hard enough, there should be a good coach that isn't necessarily a household name. As I've said before, nobody would have looked at Tomlin or McCarthy and said they were the most exceptional X's and O's guys.

milkman 12-25-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8236129)
Fisher would be fine, provided he hangs on to Crennel for defense, and gets a guy like Norv Turner for offense.

I's be shocked of Crennel chose to stay if passed over for the HC position.

BossChief 12-25-2011 01:06 PM

I'd like for the HC to be an offensive minded guy with solid leadership and motivational abilities.

A guy that can hire on, bring in his guys to install his offense and let Romeo do his thing with the defense.

Pretty much NOT Fisher.

Hammock Parties 12-25-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8236149)
I'd like for the HC to be an offensive minded guy with solid leadership and motivational abilities.

I would, too.

But I think Hunt is going to make this his choice, and he wants someone "safe."

cabletech94 12-25-2011 01:10 PM

i'm just waiting for someone to call him Fischer again.

Rams Fan 12-25-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236148)
I's be shocked of Crennel chose to stay if passed over for the HC position.

Eric Studesville says wassup.

Bowser 12-25-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236148)
I's be shocked of Crennel chose to stay if passed over for the HC position.

With the glut of head coaching positions that will be available, I may agree. I guess it all depends on who the Chiefs bring in if it's not him to coach the team to see if Crennel thinks they would have a shot, and if it would be worth it to stay at coordinator.

If Crennel does get the gig, I think it becomes imperative to get Norv, or someone of his caliber, to coach the offense.

Bowser 12-25-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8236150)
I would, too.

But I think Hunt is going to make this his choice, and he wants someone "safe."

That would be Carl all over again. **** that.

rocknrolla 12-25-2011 01:16 PM

Hell to the NO!

Predarat 12-25-2011 01:16 PM

Jeff Fisher will get a Superbowl ring in 16 years. If everyone is patient enough.

BoneKrusher 12-25-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236148)
I's be shocked of Crennel chose to stay if passed over for the HC position.

exactly.
make him HC/DC and hire Norv.

BossChief 12-25-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8236150)
I would, too.

But I think Hunt is going to make this his choice, and he wants someone "safe."

How do you know what Clark wants?

Fisher is a defensive minded coach with a full background in the 4-3 defense.

I guess I don't understand how we are a better team if we hire him.

If we are looking at Fisher, FFS just hire Bill Cowher with the big bucks and be done with it.

If we are gonna go all in on a defensive coach, at least get the best one.

Dave Lane 12-25-2011 01:25 PM

No. I'd consider Gruden or even possibly Reid if he's let go or Cowher as a last resort in the retread category. I'd rather get an up and coming Coordinator and grow our own head coach, except that everyone in Chiefs kingdom would want him fired after every loss.

Bane 12-25-2011 01:57 PM

Fisher told me **** KC and all them dirt roads.

Bwana 12-25-2011 02:00 PM

Not only no, but hell no.

Easy 6 12-25-2011 02:03 PM

Whats he really going to bring that Crennel cant?

Defense? Romeo has done a brilliant job of that as far as i'm concerned, from piecing togther a respectable unit from a mishmash of pieces last year, to keeping them together, competing hard & adjusting his philosophy to include more blitzing to help a weak safety group this year... with the added bonus of not bringing in a bunch of Haynesworths & Finnegans.

Running game? any decent OC brought in should be able to put a decent run game together.

QB? Romeo got a pro bowl season out of Derrick ****ing Anderson, nuff said.

Championship experience? while Fisher took a team as HC to a super bowl - once in 16 years - Romeo coached his side of the ball to three championships, and i dont wanna hear about Romeo being 'soft' on D, those pats defenses were as dominant & nasty as anyone.

Romeo has earned another shot imo & i'm willing to bet he gets it... besides that, Fisher doesnt want to come here, for any amount of money... and i say fine.

Slainte 12-25-2011 02:03 PM

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Per our source, Hunt is prepared to pay whatever it takes to land one of the premier coaching candidates. That includes Fisher.
LMAO
WPI...

Gonzo 12-25-2011 02:08 PM

Fisher is a huge "Meh" if hired but then again, so is Crennel.
If those are the options, I'd rather have a guy in there that the players are comfortable with. If the options are wide open, well...
I just don't ****ing care anymore. Whoever they hire will probably suck.
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jspchief 12-25-2011 02:12 PM

Can't believe the amount of play Fisher gets around here.

BoneKrusher 12-25-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8236242)
Can't believe the amount of play Fisher gets around here.

i don't see much difference in him and Crennel.

with either or, we would need an awesome OC.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8236259)
i don't see much difference in him and Crennel.

with either or, we would need an awesome OC.

The difference is that the HC dictates offensive philosophy, regardless of which side of the ball is his specialty, and he will bring in an OC that shares his philosophy.

I will look forward with bated breath and unparalleled excitement to the next Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett if Fisher is hired.

Bane 12-25-2011 02:33 PM

Why don't we just go out and get our own coach and turn him into a Jeff Fisher that doesn't suck?

I see some idiots here still love dumpster diving for other teams left overs.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:33 PM

And don't get me wrong.

Romeo Crennel may well be the same way, but I don't know.

But the thing is, I do know about Fisher.

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 02:34 PM

The Chiefs need an established/veteran head coach who can stand up to Pioli and be a checks and balances to Pioli's decision making.

And for the pro-Romeo crowd who claim they can't see much of a difference between Romeo and Fisher... I present you the facts:

Jeff Fisher: 142-120, 5-6 in the playoffs and 0-1 in the Super Bowl
Romeo: 25-41 (including 1-1 as Chiefs interim HC), zero playoff or Super Bowl appearances as HC.

Probably the most impressive thing about Fisher is he lasted for 16 years and had a lot of success for a horrible owner like Bud Adams.

Bud Adams makes Clark Hunt look like Mark Cuban.

Easy 6 12-25-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236262)
The difference is that the HC dictates offensive philosophy, regardless of which side of the ball is his specialty, and he will bring in an OC that shares his philosophy.

I will look forward with bated breath and unparalleled excitement to the next Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett if Fisher is hired.

Well if ya like those guys, yer gonna LOVE Norm Chow.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236268)
The Chiefs need an established/veteran head coach who can stand up to Pioli and be a checks and balances to Pioli's decision making.

And for the pro-Romeo crowd who claim they can't see much of a difference between Romeo and Fisher... I present you the facts:

Jeff Fisher: 142-120, 5-6 in the playoffs and 0-1 in the Super Bowl
Romeo: 25-41 (including 1-1 as Chiefs interim HC), zero playoff or Super Bowl appearances as HC.

Probably the most impressive thing about Fisher is he lasted for 16 years and had a lot of success for a horrible owner like Bud Adams.

Bud Adams makes Clark Hunt look like Mark Cuban.

Yeah, 8 and a 1/2 wins a year, and a miracle SB appearence.

Jeff Fisher is the very definition of success.


Or mediocrity.

RNR 12-25-2011 02:38 PM

That would be a great hire...and I hope it does not happen~

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236274)
Yeah, 8 and a 1/2 wins a year, and a miracle SB appearence.

Jeff Fisher is the very definition of success.


Or mediocrity.

And how would you define Romeo in Cleveland.

Oh that's right "you don't know" (as you posted earlier).

24-40 in Cleveland.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236276)
And how would you define Romeo in Cleveland.

Oh that's right "you don't know" (as you posted earlier).

24-40 in Cleveland.

What I don't know is whether Crennel learned anything from his experience in Cleveland and can raise his level of ability as a HC with this team.

What I do know about Jeff Fisher is that he was the same mediocre coach after 16 years as he was after his first year.

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 8236226)
QB? Romeo got a pro bowl season out of Derrick ****ing Anderson, nuff said.

Romeo's "Pro Bowl season" with Anderson at QB was a 10-6 season against the same NFC West/last place gift schedule that Todd Haley got a Pro Bowl season out of Cassel with.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:47 PM

And the fact is, I don't want either.

But if you give me a choice, I'll take Crennel, because Jeff Fisher almost certainly assures us that we will be a mediocre team for the next decade or more, while Crennel either proves he learned something and brings more ot the table, or he continues to suck ass, and we then have a shot at moving on in 3 years or less.

At some point they'll get it right hopefully.

With Jeff Fisher, that point is too distant.

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236278)
What I don't know is whether Crennel learned anything from his experience in Cleveland and can raise his level of ability as a HC with this team.

What I do know about Jeff Fisher is that he was the same mediocre coach after 16 years as he was after his first year.

So basically there is a possibility of Crennel learning and improving from his first head coaching job, but zero possibility of Fisher learning and improving from his first coaching job.

ROFL

You realize you are contradicting yourself in your own argument?

Of course you don't.

You are a dumbshit.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236283)
So basically there is a possibility of Crennel learning and improving from his first head coaching job, but zero possibility of Fisher learning and improving from his first coaching job.

ROFL

You realize you are contradicting yourself in your own argument?

Of course you don't.

You are a dumbshit.

So, let me get this straight.

You think that it took 16 years for Fisher to learn something that he can apply to his next job?

And you call me a dumbshit?

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236282)
And the fact is, I don't want either.

Why don't you man up for once and take a position on something.

State who you would like to see as the next Chiefs HC.

rocknrolla 12-25-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8236166)
exactly.
make him HC/DC and hire Norv.

That would the best option we have. Considering what coaches are out there.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236285)
Why don't you man up for once and take a position on something.

State who you would like to see as the next Chiefs HC.

I've stated my preferences here before.

It's not my problem that you have a reading comprehension issue.

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236287)
I've stated my preferences here before.

It's not my problem that you have a reading comprehension issue.

Give a name.

A "young and upcoming" HC, which is what you've stated before is too vague.

Go on record with an actual name.

milkman 12-25-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236288)
Give a name.

A "young and upcoming" HC, which is what you've stated before is too vague.

Go on record with an actual name.

I've stated a name dumbass, both on the up and comer, my preference, or a retread, which is neither Crennel or Fisher.

Again, I am not going to give you a name just to appease your useless dumbass.

You want to know, look around.

I'll give your dumbass a hint though.

MP.

rocknrolla 12-25-2011 02:57 PM

Would things have been different? Had Pioli hired RAC as HC and Haley as the OC. Just putting it out there.

wazu 12-25-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236291)
I've stated a name dumbass, both on the up and comer, my preference, or a retread, which is neither Crennel or Fisher.

Again, I am not going to give you a name just to appease your useless dumbass.

You want to know, look around.

I'll give your dumbass a hint though.

MP.

McDainels Please?

Hammock Parties 12-25-2011 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236274)
Yeah, 8 and a 1/2 wins a year, and a miracle SB appearence.

Jeff Fisher is the very definition of success.


Or mediocrity.

Would you view Marty differently if Carl had saddled him with a shitty QB halfway through his tenure?

BigMeatballDave 12-25-2011 03:21 PM

LMAO Are you STILL hanging from this losers sack?

BigMeatballDave 12-25-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 8236128)
So who does everyone want as the HC?

I like Chudzinski. He's done a nice job with Newton this season.

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8236291)
I've stated a name dumbass, both on the up and comer, my preference, or a retread, which is neither Crennel or Fisher.

Again, I am not going to give you a name just to appease your useless dumbass.

You want to know, look around.

I'll give your dumbass a hint though.

MP.

Wrong. You've tried to cover your ass by saying you "don't prefer someone like Billick", but you'd prefer him over other established HC's like Fisher.

So do you prefer Billick, no strings attached? Yes or no. Don't put a caveat with it.

FloridaMan88 12-25-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8236318)
I like Chudzinski. He's done a nice job with Newton this season.

Chud would be my #1 choice if the Chiefs go with the assistant route.

I've followed Chud since he was an assistant coach at the University of Miami (including his role as offensive coordinator for the greatest college football team in history, the 2001 Hurricanes).

He would a solid choice.

BigMeatballDave 12-25-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8236307)
Would you view Marty differently if Carl had saddled him with a shitty QB halfway through his tenure?

That's all the Chiefs had. Shitty QBs. Except for Montana.
Green was a polished turd hiding behind an ALL WORLD OL, a great running game, and Tony
Gonzalez.

Hammock Parties 12-25-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8236339)
Green was a polished turd

Rather ignorant, really.

Okie_Apparition 12-25-2011 03:51 PM

The article is titled CHIEFS MUST HIRE JEFF FISHER
Then does not list one, not even one reason why they should
such epic fail

Hammock Parties 12-25-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition (Post 8236351)
The article is titled CHIEFS MUST HIRE JEFF FISHER
Then does not list one, not even one reason why they should
such epic fail

Read.

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Fisher will bring a coaching stability to the organization that hasn’t been present since Marty Schottenheimer. Before that, you’d have to go back to Hank Stram as a stabilizing force.

Fisher is in that class, and could spend the next 10 years at the helm of the Chiefs. I believe that’s what Clark Hunt is looking for as he takes a more hands-on role with his football team.

Okie_Apparition 12-25-2011 03:54 PM

To hell with any facts or stats
conjecture for the mother ****ing win

Okie_Apparition 12-25-2011 03:55 PM

Oh I forgot
Crennel bad

Extra Point 12-25-2011 04:09 PM

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Crennel bad

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BigMeatballDave 12-25-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8236349)
Rather ignorant, really.

Not really

KC_Lee 12-25-2011 04:36 PM

I have said it repeatedly when this has been brought up. The 'Stache is the most over rated coach in the history of the NFL.

milkman 12-25-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236326)
Wrong. You've tried to cover your ass by saying you "don't prefer someone like Billick", but you'd prefer him over other established HC's like Fisher.

So do you prefer Billick, no strings attached? Yes or no. Don't put a caveat with it.

Once a again, comprehension failure, dumbass.

MP are the initials of the up and comer I've stated I'd rather have.

And no to the dumbass that thinks MP stands for McDaniels.

BoneKrusher 12-25-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 8236416)
I have said it repeatedly when this has been brought up. The 'Stache is the most over rated coach in the history of the NFL.

yeah, Fisher would be Marty Ball two.

Titty Meat 12-25-2011 05:34 PM

Nah Chiefs must hire a 64 year old coach whos 15 games under .500 in his career as HC.

BoneKrusher 12-25-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8236440)
Nah Chiefs must hire a 64 year old coach whos 15 games under .500 in his career as HC.

i'm not saying that at all, i just think there's lots of Chiefs fans that dont wanna go back to that Marty Ball style.

Easy 6 12-25-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8236440)
Nah Chiefs must hire a 64 year old coach whos 15 games under .500 in his career as HC.

Name the last coach who lit it up in Cleveland.

Thats all i ask.

whoman69 12-25-2011 05:50 PM

Repost

Titty Meat 12-25-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 8236442)
Name the last coach who lit it up in Cleveland.

Thats all i ask.

It doesn't really matter. Some of the same mistakes Romeo made in Cleveland have been made here in just 2 games. He's not a head coach.

Direckshun 12-25-2011 06:15 PM

Has Pioli not made pretty great coaching acquisitions since 2009?

2009 was its usual cluster**** everywhere including coaching, but in 2010 he hired two great coordinators, and brought in a good offensive mind this year with Zorn.

Bill Muir was Haley's idea, and Haley's guy.

007 12-25-2011 06:24 PM

Lets face it, the Chiefs are never going to get it right. The sooner we all just accept it the sooner we can move on with our lives.

Agent V 12-25-2011 06:32 PM

Fisher runs a 4-3, for one. And didn't he already state that he wasn't interested? Or was that not a reputable source?

ChiefsCountry 12-25-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50 (Post 8236288)
Give a name.

A "young and upcoming" HC, which is what you've stated before is too vague.

Go on record with an actual name.

He has said plenty of time dumbass that he wants Mke Pettine.

Raiderhater 12-25-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane (Post 8236266)
Why don't we just go out and get our own coach and turn him into a Jeff Fisher that doesn't suck?

I see some idiots here still love dumpster diving for other teams left overs.


They have become conditioned to it.

milkman 12-25-2011 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8236498)
He has said plenty of time dumbass that he wants Mke Pettine.

Who?


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