Chiefs will not move up in the Draft?
 

If repoq: Suck My coq


http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansa...ves-insight-to

You should never take anything a GM says about the draft too seriously. #smokescreen

See Scott's comments about drafting a Safety when they took Eric Berry.

I was hoping that would be the answer...

Pioli is playing scared.

The guy has done nothing but play it safe since he came here.

Scott Pioli is a big pussy.

Why is everybody posting articles from this BJ Kissel guy all of the sudden? Who the **** is he and who gives shit what he thinks?

Better than posting Bill Williamson shit.

I am hoping he is playing shit close to his chest. He hasn't gotten out of his comfort zone yet in KC and shit has kinda blown up.

I refuse to think the guy is stupid enough to think Matt Cassel can be the qb next year. Season tickets are gonna drop if he is, as stated in the above article.

I cannot believe someone pays that clown. His articles read like a ****ing 4th grade sports essay.

The grammar is just horrible, there are loads of misspelled words, and his sentence structure is just a mess. I've seen him write run-on sentences that were an entire paragraph.

Yes. Because Houston and Baldwin were "safe" picks.....

Yup, anyone who trusts anything Pioli says right now just hasn't been paying attention to the way he works.

The shittiest thing about this year and us not having our guy at qb is that this team seems to be one really solid draft away from being special.

If we had our qb, this could be the draft to put us over the top. Instead we would have to trade picks to get a qb.

Damn It.

Or the way the NFL works, for that matter.

Yup. If Cassel continues to start over the next 1-2 years, it will go down as one of the biggest wastes of a talented roster in Chiefs history, ala the 90's.

If we had our qb, which maybe, hope to baby jesus something crazy happens for CHiefs fans, Stanzi is the guy, this draft could produce a pro bowl RB, sure up the oline at C and RT, get a possible stud ILB in the second round, depth everywhere and everywhere.

It just stinks the bit.

Same as Vermeil's Chiefs, too.

Against my previous post, I am not really a Pioli hater. I like what he has done here, save for 1 thing.

I just don't get how a footbal guy like he is can be so blind to something so huge and obvious.

I will say this tho, as much as we bitch and complain and want a franchise qb, they aren't exactly growing on trees.

IMO there are only about 7 or 8 in the NFL. Therefor there are only 7 or 8 teams that will consistently contend for SBs.

While I don't disagree with you I think most folks on this board are tired of the Chiefs never developing a QB in thier history. Only so many back ups and broken down QBs you can plug in and folks now get sick of it.

"I don't even know who the player is who I'd say I'd give up multiple first round picks based on where we're at"

You know actually the more I think about it, the more I think he might actually be smokescreening it.

They had scouts at basically all of Lucks games. If he is what everyone says he is, why would Pioli not want that?

I'm glad they are just completely crushing all hope of success this year. It will be a lot less painful this way. I'll care again when Cassel is gone.

It doesn't make any sense for him to come out and say this now.

I'm calling BS.

And he'd never draft Eric Berry.
And he never drafts Offensive Linemen high (Rodney Hudson).

If enough Chiefs fans say it though...it becomes the truth.

I think that's a liberal number.

Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Manning...

Who else?

You're spot on though. And I'd venture to say that in the last 25 years (I've been watching the NFL) there have probably only been a dozen...total. So we're talking, what, 11 or 12 franchise QB's in 2.5 decades?

I understand the frustration with Cassel, believe me.. but he is Middle of the Pack bad.. he isn't the worst in the league.

Give him a line and I think he would be "good"

Barry Richardson is the embarrassment

True fan alert.

Nobody knows what we will or won't do ... period.


This is nothing more than what has been said many times before ... Pioli is a conservative type guy who is much more likely to move down than up.

Depends how you view franchise QB. A guy who has won it all at least once, or a guy who gets you in the playoffs consistently and gives the team a chance at winning.

Interception on a screen pass. 5 Yard check downs on 3rd and 10. No Vertical passing game to speak of even with WR's who can stretch the field.

The man has posted games in which he threw for fewer than 100 yards.


Dude....I consider myself an optimist, but calling Cassel "middle of the Pack" is letting your optimism blind you.

Matt Ryan is middle of the pack.

Joe Flacco is middle of the pack.

Tony Romo is middle of the pack


Matt Cassel shouldn't even be a starter.

This...

2nded

Just like every year, people here claim they know more than a GM of an NFL franchise. "There's no way in hell dumbshit Pioli will pick Eric Berry #5 overall in the draft"... What happened? "Dipshit Scott will NOT trade up in the draft"... We tried last year unsuccessfully. And this year, "That stupid SOB who calls himself a GM doesn't think we need a QB and we will NOT make any attempt to trade to get one".... Let's hope the majority here is wrong again.

I agree.

If Pioli doesn't address the QB situation this year, then I'll fault him and label him a stubborn dumbass.

We can't really predict him too well right now other than his inability to venture far from "the Patriot Way".

If his love affair with Cassel continues another season, THEN i'll lose all faith in the man.

This offseason is make or break for this Franchise.

Step up or step back.

Barry Richardson's pressures went down by HALF when Orton stepped in.

Cassel has no business on this team. NONE.

Even with the latter definition I think I've probably only seen a dozen since I started watching football in the mid-80's (six now, six in the past).

I'll add that my fear is that he'll use Haley as his scapegoat and give Cassel another year, trying to force us to believe that this mess is all Haley's fault.

And a big piece of me thinks that Pioli honestly believes that Cassel is a good QB, and that Haley ruined him, therefore, he'll continue to build AROUND Cassel.

He'd have to restructure his contract a bit, but I'd take him as a backup.

He doesn't have the mental make-up to be a backup and I'm not sure he'd handle the demotion anyway. He'd probably demand to be traded, given his penchant for temper tantrums.

Call me crazy, but I think the Chiefs make some type of splash this offseason with the qb position.

Maybe they think Orton is a splash, but I don't think there is anyway Cassel starts every game. Atleast, I hope not. If he starts 8 games and we are say, 2 and 6 somethings gonna happen.

There will be no blockbuster trade to move up in the draft and grab RGIII. We are highly likely to trade down if a targeted player is not available. Which may not be a bad idea. We got houston and gave up nothing last year.

Trade down to around say 21, pick up a couple extra picks. Draft Reiff or G from Stanford.

The only thing I want him as is ex-Chief.

We have nothing to worry about, Stanzi is already on the team, he will be the qb next year.

I hope you're right.

I think Stanzi would actually beat out Cassel if given the opportunity. Hopefully he will be given the chance.

Reiff would be gone by then.

Reiff is the second tackle on the board, maybe he will still be around when we pick if we traded down.

Decastro would be fine too.

Why would he show his hand if he was interested? He probably won't trade up, but damn people are stupid if they take this with even a grain of salt.

I tend to agree with PGM.

With a full off season, it's quite possible.

Pioli: Boy, that RGIII is some player. I'd give up multiple firsts to have his talents in KC and kick Cassel to the curb.

CP members: circa Randy Marsh after retrieving the internet

Rams War Room: All the Chefs picks are belong to us.

Watch RGIII be available for our pick and Pioli will trade down to get an extra 3rd rounder

If RGIII is available at our spot, we would pick him.

The fanbase would be energized with a heisman winning quarterback taken in the first round.

I don't know how great he will be in the NFL but he would bring in a shitload of money and you know Clark would love that.

I have been convinced by Boss that Stanzi is gonna be the guy. Pioli has struck oil in the late rounds again.

Found his Brady on his first try huh?

He's two for two when it comes to finding Bradys

I'd love it if true. Guess we shall see

In the other thread you said you couldnt wait till he was gone. Now you don't hate him?
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It was in this thread that I said it.

I like alot of the moves he is made. I just don't think we will succeed with Cassel at qb and I believe that he is tied to Pioli.

Therefor getting rid of one equals getting rid of the other. I also think Pioli is an asshat for thinking that Cassel could be the answer.

Fug cassel

No, I was talking about this post:

So you don't hate him, yet he's an asshat and you want him fired.


Ok.

I don't hate him, I just think he's a dip shit when it comes to the qb position and I don't think we will have a good one til he's gone.

Unless Stanzi is the guy.

the pictures I have seen of him more resemble a penis,
a penis that has NO idea how to takew advantage of the talent we have to build a superbowl team

I'd like to point out that going all the way from 11 to 4 wouldn't cost "multiple first rounders" according to the draft value chart.

#11 is worth 1250 points
#4 is worth 1800 points.

A difference of 550 points

It would cost us our second round pick (470 points) and our fourth (80 points) as far as value on the chart.

I think that's a reasonable probability.

Rams aren't taking him
Vikings aren't (even though they should)
Holmgren and RG3?

I know his style isn't really the patriot way, but he said he wouldn't trade multiplexfirsts to trade up, he said nothing about a first a sec

Liking him and doing what it takes to get him are two incredibly different things. I don't doubt at all that Pioli would take him if he were at our pick.

Its not like he came out and just said it in a press conference. The question was put to him, so to me it doesn't really come off as a ploy.

I wouldn't bet money on that.

Bulaga was a better prospect and went after that.

Both were thought of as right tackle prospects with versatility.

Not really as left tackles.

I think smart teams will be moving up ahead of those guys to the Rams or the Vikings. RGIII will probably be gone by #4 in that case.

Sure, if the Rams hit the jackpot on a superstar like Blackmon, that'd be a huge deal. But at this point, I think they would take a trade down offer as long as it was lucrative and worth it. Acquiring a truckload of draft picks would probably be just what the doctor ordered for that franchise.

The real question is if Pioli will go after McNutt as his "Iowa pick" this year.

Isn't that draft value chart kinda out the window with the new rookie pay scale in effect? I was thinking this year that it would cost more in draft pick compensation to move up than it has in years past.

While that's a legitimate point, its not the case.

Moving up in the draft for a QB is a risk and if there's one thing Pioli has shown in his time in KC, its that he plays it safe.

ahh man! I was hopin' he's go all Raiders-like and chit...

Honest question: What risk do you wish he had taken at the QB position?

We're a Qb away from being a SB contender. Damn ,why weren't we smart enough to draft Tebow !

Well, if Collin Klein was a Jesus freak, he'd be an option. Then we could have our very own right handed version of Tebow!!!!

I don't like to do this, since you're a solid n00b, but, as I've said in the past, I'm an equal opportunity hater, and I've seen you make this same mistake elsewhere.

The word you're looking for is "shore", dumbass.

I can see the splash.

Chiefs hire Joe Lombardi as OC, and trade for Chase Daniel.

The draft value chart was created long before the cost of high draft picks became prohibitive, and it was only a guide to begin with.

But with the new rookie wage scale, the chart becomes more relevant.