2012 Offseason
 

Well I'm an optimist, so I am gonna go on a little rant here and make a bold statement.

The 2012 offseason will be the best offseason the Chiefs have had under Pioli. This will be the one that permanently makes us contenders for a good couple years. Here is whats going down.

Stanzi will turn out to be the guy. I have been watching alot of his old tape, he has the tools. He's gonna beat out Cassel in a training camp battle.

The 3 ACL guys will come back full strength. By the time the season rolls around they will have had a full year to recover. They will be fine.

The d will get a playmaker back. Pioli will bring in Paul Soliai from Miami to play NT with Poe and Gordon. In the second round of the draft Hightower will fall to us.

The offense, now having their quarterback, gets its playmaker back. We draft Richardson in the first round giving us a great combo of backs. We pick up a RT in the third round. We bring in an all pro in Carl Nicks from New Orleans who can't afford to pay him. We can.

We draft depth on both sides of the ball and bring in some solid backup free agents.

We resign Carr and Bowe.

This young team has it's quarterback and grows together, becoming a power in the AFC.

Sorry if this upsets anyone, but Pioli's finally gonna get it right.

Discuss.

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I'm just trying to stir up some convo. It's been a little slow tonight.

I got a good feeling about Stanzi too. It's a matter of him taking advantage of any opportunity he gets that impress the coaches and make a case during preseason to be the guy.

Still wish and hope we snag another QB in the draft but I have my doubts it would be a high rounder, but we still need to draft one for compitition sake.

Our defense is going be beast regardless of what the offense does so am exited for the return of Eric Berry the most.

Getting production out of Jamaal Charles again is going make us that much better & complimited with McCluster is going be fun to watch.

It still all starts with the play of the QB & I'm really hoping Stanzi or next QB from the draft gets major consideration for the start of the season. Out with Cassel ASAP.

I really think Stanzi could work out.

If this is the case - and it may be - then why wasn't he playing during the season? I can't think of a greater potential opportunity handed to any quarterback. All he had to do was beat out Tyler Palko.

Or were you talking about next preseason rather than last preseason?

Stay with me here.

It has been said that Haley was a Cassel guy. Maybe he didn't wanna play Stanzi as he thought he would create real controversy. He thought he would for sure be back next year and wanted Cassel to start?

It's also been said that Haley wasn't a Cassel guy and that that's where the break with Pioli originally developed.

You can cook up pretty much any conspiracy you want.

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Yeah I dunno what to think about that, I just think that their minds were made up that Stanzi wouldn't play this season at all. No matter what happened.

I think they wanted him to sit and learn for a year.

i hope stanzi is the answer, cuz i cant stand another mediocre year of cassel.

If everything happens that I stated above, Stanzi could ease into the starters role.

By the time the playoffs role around he'll be seasoned and ready to go.

What I have heard (and it's just rumor, so it's essentially baseless/worthless...) is that they actually gave him every opportunity to take the job during the latter half of the season. And that they were ultimately disappointed with his development in 2011.

But who knows. I'm surely not in the locker room.

the desperation is palpable.

I couldn't read your entire post. I'm struggling to get past this.

This is an unpopular explanation since it suggests that the hope that people have attached to Stanzi is misplaced (and that the Chiefs are therefore no closer to having a QB than they've been in 20 years), but it is by far the most likely explanation. Far simpler and more plausible than the numerous conspiracy theories.

He didn't get on the field because he looked like dogshit, basically.

Sorry Frankie.

Meant this offseason makes us contenders for a long time. Pay no attention to the consistently part.

On the original topic, I really don't like the idea of drafting any RB in the first round. The lifespan for the position is too short. I want to look for a position that can field a cornerstone player for a decade, rather than one where you're a good bit less likely to see the player perform at all past his rookie contract.

My dream is and continues to be a first round quarterback that becomes the face of the franchise until the early to mid 2020s.

That may be true about Stanzi. However, I just think with him being a 5th rounder and having to offseason, it was determined that he wouldn't play a down this year unless there was no other way around it.

I wish people would stop and consider that maybe they had no intention of playing him during 2011 no matter what the cost. 2012 is when we will find out what the kid has.

I think you mean "I'd like to think" rather than "I just think"

You're creating somewhat irrational fantasies to generate hope. It's fair enough.

Thanks. Now I am freed up to read the rest.

I think everyone has "considered" that. There are a number of explanations that plausibly answer the question "where was Stanzi". That is indeed one of them.

Another is that management thought he looked inferior to Tyler Palko and Kyle Orton.

Of course that is another option. I just see too many people assuming he sucks because they didn't play him.

Well apparently HMc isn't a Stanzi fan.

I also feel Orton would be alright but I doubt he sticks around.

I'm just passing on what I've heard. Sorry if it doesn't fit how you want things to be. It might not even be reality, as I mentioned.We must be reading the board at different times or something. Most of the time when I'm reading the Planet seems like it's hq for the Ricky Stanzi fanclub. Which is fine, people are certainly entitled to their brand of faith.

I do remember seeeing someone say that the Chiefs were not impressed with Stanzi's progress

I see more people saying "he obviously sucks" and hardly anyone truly wanting to see what he can do. I guess we must be on at two different times.

Also, It isn't "how I want it to be" as you say. People need to stop making assumption is all. We don't know if he truly sucks or if he is truly good.

wut?

I've never seen him play, nor met him. Why would I be fan or otherwise?

I'm attempting to analyse the situation using the little evidence we have available (facts).

I would love nothing more than to see this guy come out and make the spot his own in 2012.

But the facts are that the Chiefs elected to play Tyler Palko and a barely initiated Kyle Orton instead of this guy. Everything else is speculation.

Then by that reasoning, Hudson didn't unseat Lilja or Wiegmann because he wasn't any better or Gaither didn't start becasue Richardson was better?

FYP

We all knew that Orton would start as soon as he was healthy. I would have done the same if I was Crennel.

If he's got what it takes, the fact that some people interpreted his pine riding in 2011 as being evidence of him sucking won't matter.

:facepalm:

And how do you know who makes these decisions?

I suppose you're suggesting that Haley was hamstringing the team deliberately. Again, a fantasy concocted by people with too much time on their hands (even if it might be true).

The guy couldn't cut it in Canada or in some low level league in the USA. What the **** did Haley see in him to make him think he could possibly lead any NFL team. Sorry but I place Palko ALL on Haley.

I'm just saying we don't know if Stanzi sucks or not. Everyone can assume he sucks or can assume he is great. I'm waiting to see what happens with him this year.

I'm not sure who's made an assumption here. All I did was pass on some information that I've heard, which might or might not explain why he didn't play during the 2011 regular season. Which is in no way different from you saying something along the lines of "they decided they weren't going to play him at all until 2012". It's just providing a potential explanation for a question that people periodically ask, that being why he didn't play. It does not, however, mean that I'm saying that he sucks or that he'll never be any good, it only means that, if the information is valid (which it may not be...), then he did not develop *in 2011* as they had hoped that he would.

That's all.

And in fact, in the interest of full disclosure, my own secret hope is that the information is wholly incorrect, because I think the NFL as a whole does a tremendous job of ruining quarterbacks by pushing them onto the field too quickly. So I really actually do sincerely hope that they had no intention of ever playing him in 2011, and that in the end they did not have any expectations in terms of development for a 5th round draft pick.

However, that is unfortunately not what I have "heard".

So what we know is that Stanzi was considered an inferior option to Palko.

I'm only referring to posts I have seen all over the planet since Palko started his first game. I'm not referring directly to you.

If thats what you choose to believe. I don't think we "know" that by any stretch of the word.

I just feel that Stanzi was never going to be an option unless there was absolutely no choice.

Am talking about this offseason and preseason. However, I don't believe one second that Stanzi was awarded any type of opportunity during camp and preseason from Haley and it carried over in the season. He did not play or even suit up in the last preseason game and they did everything possible to make Cassel be the guy. When Cassel went down Haley had Palko to be the guy and I think Pioli brought in Orton to have a vet QB take over. There was absolutely no reason in hell for Palko be starting QB but he was. Why? That is on Haley to be asked.

On devels advicate on reason why Stanzi didn't get to play much during preseason is just from the timeing of the collective bargening to end. Yet doesn't make an excuse for 8 weeks go by that Stanzi couldn't have been put on second team for getting meaninful reps in practice. Stanzi was neglected by the coaches imo. This is why I think he has to take full advantage of any opportunity he gets during OTAs to make an impression with Crennel who they say is a fair coach. We shall see.

The thing that pissed me off this season is not getting to see Stanzi get some playing time in during the last month of football. No excuse for that.

The fact that we stuck around in the playoff race probably kept them from seeing what Stanzi had at some point.


It's also telling that as soon as Haley was fired, Palko was immediately demoted to the third string role and Crennel talked about playing Stanzi.

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God bless Stanzimerica!

I think you just made IT move.

does any body know where we are cap-wise for 2012?

Without the benefit of a normal off season with OTAs, a regular training camp schedule, etc. It is reasonable to belive that Stanzi was unprepared coming into the season and could not catch up even as the season progressed. However, that does not speak to his potential. We will see in August.

damn and here I thought that my weed was good

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it's time to bust out the video again

Stanzi will not be given a chance to beat out anyone.

The end.

I know thats a highlight video, but how did Stanzi fall to the fifth round?

No no THAT just made it move.

You know the best part about that, besides the poise, besides the accuracy? On a lot of those throws, the check down was open, but he keep looking for the first or something even bigger.

:thumb: STANZIMANIA BITCHES

Stanzi is a pile of shit.

The pro-Iowa dumbshits on this board need to get a grip.

Stanzi might suck but atleast we didn't bring in Jeff Fisher.

cool opinion

How much more of an endorsement of Stanzis future being highly successful can there be than guys like billay, 50/50 and CoMo thinking he sucks?

By the way, Tom Brady was inactive his whole rookie year.

He must gave totally sucked, eh?

Or that could be part of the dreaded "Patriot way"

BossChief, what is your opinion on Stanzi after the season.

My opinion of Stanzi hasn't changed a bit.

I think us fans got ripped off last year.

Stanzi should have been the starter the moment Cassel went down. I will always believe we would have won the division if that was the case and that we would be done with Cassel right now if that had happened.

Does that answer your question?

The Chiefs won't give Stanzi any chance to be the starter.

If Orton remains unsigned, Cassel will go the entire year as the unquestioned starter.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Another thing that tmi has gone unmentioned...

With the coaching shakeup in Miami, it's highly doubtful that Paul Solai will be brought back on a big, long term contract.

We should be able to offer him a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal and be able to sign him.

We do that and bring in one of my guys as the OC and we could be well on our way to the land of rings and trophies.

Yeah, I'm optimistic.

If Cassel loses 4 or 5 in a row next year, he's done.

He should be done already, I'm just saying if that happens it's unjustifiable that Crennel can continue to run him out there.

I'd love to have that dude.

Him and Berry next yera would make this defense scary.

Wanna bet?

If Cassel doesn't return to his mid 2010 form, we will have a Bledsoe/Romo situation.

Nice avatar, btw!!!

Haha

Omega to the dark side.

It's a limited market for him.

When asked about Aubrayo Franklin last year, Pioli said he didn't fit our scheme because he was a 1gap defender.

Solai is a prototypical 2gap nose and Mike Nolans scheme was one of the last that is similar to ours. In NE, they highly value the NT spot and Solai will almost assuredly hit free agency and he should be our #1 target.

Hope you are right.

Stanzi is gonna be the guy. He got to sit for a year and learn. I have a good feeling about him.

It's time to unleash the Stanzi.

He secretly loves Stanzi.

Just wait.

Once Stanzi gets on the field, you will see what man crush is all about.

You didn't know clay in the LJ days....he will be talking about sucking on Stanzis toes and everything a year from now.

I sorta remember reading some of that stuff. Before I joined when I just creeped around.

Btw, that's the avatar I gave him for the bet

I don't "secretly" love Stanzi.

I've always liked him since last year's preseason.

We were idiots to play Palko.

Thanks, Haley, you colossal ****up.

I found that pic a few days ago. I was trying to make it my sig, but it was to large and I didnt know how to make it smaller.

If we don't resign Orton, Stanzi should be made available to compete with Cassel for the starters job.

even if all this happens it still wouldn't be consider a great offseason by many around here. They will call it 'lucky' and say that Pioli didn't really do anything.

btw - If the chiefs do 'become a power' then why would you say pioli 'finally gonna get it right'? If they become a power then Pioli has been doing it right all along and we were just to impatience or stupid to see it. Just Sayin'

This brings up an interesting point. If we don't resign Orton is there a FA vet QB that the Chiefs sign? I know there are a lot of folks looking for us to draft a QB in the late rounds but that would leave us with;

Cassel
Stanzi
Rookie QB ???


Thoughts?

And since Stanzi is gonna be the guy, we need to sure up this oline this offseason.

Trade down in the first, get an extra second, draft Konz in the first, Hightower in the second and Reynolds in the second. Chris Polk in the third.

I meant get it right with the qb spot, coaching staff, depth etc.


Sorry should have made more clear.

It's playing out exactlyhow it played out for Bledsoe and Tony Romo a few years back.

They supported Bledsoe to the last second. Parcels even issues statement after statement that Drew was the guy, drew was the guy....then, bam.

The switch was made and there was no going back.

The two scenarios are eerily similar, too.

Dallas traded a first rounder for Drew and had him on a big contract.

Drew took a lot of sacks and didn't make the best decisions.

Romo had a stronger arm, more mobility, quicker release and he moved the offense when it had become stagnant with Drew under center.

Shit, both Romo and Stanzi both have made some questionable decisions in games, too.

I think that Cassel will be playing for his career over the course of the next 6-8 games and could get pulled at anytime in that span and once that switch is made, there is no going back.

I don't even wanna see Cassel play six to eight more games.

Stanzi needs to work his ass off this offseasn and overtake him in training camp.

Thats easy to say from the outside in.

When you are the guy that was responsible for spending 40 million dollars of your owners money on a guy like Cassel and his upcoming years salary is the lowest year of the deal, I can't see him being cut.

Im pretty much prepared for him to begin 2012 as the starter.

Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

That's the ONLY way to be a Chiefs fan.