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Dr. Gigglepants 01-14-2012 11:42 PM

Arrowhead anxiety: Turnover off the field causes concern
 
Secrecy, intimidation, fear and a watchful eye have become hallmarks of working for the Chiefs, say some current and former employees.

BY KENT BABB THE KANSAS CITY STAR

Todd Haley walked into the public relations office at Chiefs headquarters on a Thursday in early December. Four days before he was fired as the team’s coach, he wanted to talk about what life was like inside this organization. But he didn’t know who else might be listening.

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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14...nover-off.html

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This article goes into a lot of detail on the changes that came into effect with the Pioli regime. Sounds like a shitty ass place to work now.

dirk digler 01-14-2012 11:45 PM

holy shit...

The Bad Guy 01-14-2012 11:47 PM

Quote:

Clark Hunt, the team’s chairman and CEO, rejected the notion that Arrowhead is a difficult place to work, but he said there has been an emphasis placed on responsibility. Change, he said, is often uncomfortable.

“We needed a culture that pursued excellence,” he said. “One that valued honesty and integrity, one where the employees would be held accountable.”
When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt ****ing Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the ****ing quarterback of the team?

Pioli can ****ing die.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-14-2012 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8296863)
holy shit...

A gum wrapper? In an envelope...pulled out at a meeting. Seriously?

The Bad Guy 01-14-2012 11:48 PM

Yeah, in the year 2011, it's great to conduct your business like it's medieval times.

What a pile of shit Scott Pioli is. Clark Hunt is a bigger one for allowing his organization to run like this.

I hope Lamar Hunt haunts Clark.

ZootedGranny 01-14-2012 11:48 PM

Absolutely pathetic.

The Bad Guy 01-14-2012 11:49 PM

If you buy season tickets for this shit, you need your head checked.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-14-2012 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8296867)
When is Clark going to start holding Pioli accountable for keeping Matt ****ing Cassel around. If performance, accountability can apply to the scouts, coaches, ticket takers, merchandise people, why doesn't it apply to the ****ing quarterback of the team?

Pioli can ****ing die.

My thoughts exactly when I read that part. Accountability for everyone except me. What I don't get, is when Carl got canned and we hired Pioli, and I believe promoted Donovan to oversee the business side, it seems like Pioli just runs the whole show. I thought he was brought in to run the team and Donovan was going to run the business side.

Hammock Parties 01-14-2012 11:52 PM

Crap.

The Bad Guy 01-14-2012 11:53 PM

Clark gave this maniac this power. Why is the general manager of the football operations side telling employees what doors they can enter in the gym?

It's stories like this that make me realize that any Hunt/Pioli lead organization will never win shit.

evolve27 01-14-2012 11:53 PM

I'm schocked. Blow this fugger up.

The Bad Guy 01-14-2012 11:53 PM

I'll anxiously await the Patriot ballwashers that come to the rescue of Scott Pioli to address this nonsense.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-14-2012 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8296891)
Crap.

saight. I stumbled on it like 5 minutes after it posted on the website by chance. Waited like 25 minutes for someone to post it but no one was so I thought I get it on here.

What a piece of shit.

dirk digler 01-14-2012 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants (Post 8296869)
A gum wrapper? In an envelope...pulled out at a meeting. Seriously?

That doesn't bother me but what does is the feeling that they are spying and listening to your private conversations.

Hammock Parties 01-14-2012 11:55 PM

The candy wrapper is the worst part.

Makes me want to waterboard Scott Pioli.

007 01-14-2012 11:56 PM

I think this article will draw up a lawsuit against Babb.

The Bad Guy 01-14-2012 11:56 PM

Quote:

After a while, a saying was adopted by top administrators for behavior that didn’t fit the new standards: “That’s so 2-and-14,” they would say, referring to the Chiefs’ win-loss record in 2008. This pertained to matters large and small: Stephanie Melton, who worked 11 years on the team’s operations staff, recalled Pioli’s reaction after she and a coworker, after working past midnight on a weekend, had parked a courier van in the unmarked space usually occupied by Pioli’s car. The women had forgotten to move it, and Pioli was livid the next morning. Melton said she was made to feel for several days that she’d be fired.

“There was an incredible fear of saying and doing the wrong thing,” said a former business-side executive, who was among a group of sources who requested anonymity — in some cases because they still worked for the Chiefs, and in others because they believed their comments might hinder their chances of getting another job in sports.
He's a ****ing bully. What's the standard for 7-9 Scott? How about 4-12? You've had 2 losing seasons out of 3.

I can't root for people like Scott Pioli.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-14-2012 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8296909)
I think this article will draw up a lawsuit against Babb.

Sure looks like he fell on his pen here. We'll see how he's treated after this, Babb might not be the Chiefs guy anymore, but he went ahead and exposed this clown for what he is.

Hammock Parties 01-14-2012 11:58 PM

Yeah, that was a great big ****ing bomb for sure.

I wonder if Haley is the unnamed source for any of that.

Bugeater 01-14-2012 11:59 PM

That's a lot of words.

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:00 AM

GODDAMMIT, WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY ON COFFEE!!!

Oh, and draft Tyson Jackson, trade for Matt Cassel and give them $120 million.

I'm outta here, I think I saw a candy wrapper in the east wing.

Chiefs Pantalones 01-15-2012 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants (Post 8296915)
Sure looks like he fell on his pen here. We'll see how he's treated after this, Babb might not be the Chiefs guy anymore, but he went ahead and exposed this clown for what he is.

I think everyone knew. It was just a matter of time before it got blown up.

007 01-15-2012 12:02 AM

If this is true he needs to be fired 2.5 years ago.

ZootedGranny 01-15-2012 12:02 AM

Anyone down to chip in for a skywriter to fly over the practice field and write "WE'RE WATCHING YOU"?

Bowser 01-15-2012 12:02 AM

Control freak with an inferiority complex. Probably killing him watching the Patriots light up the Broncos today.

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 8296924)
That's a lot of words.

Best parts:

Quote:

Haley suspected that many rooms at the team facility were bugged so that team administrators could monitor employees’ conversations. Stopping finally in a conference room, Haley said he believed his personal cellphone, a line he used before being hired by the Chiefs in 2009, had been tampered with.
Quote:

During his first year, Pioli noticed a candy wrapper in a back stairwell and waited to see how long it took to be picked up. About a week passed, and it remained in the stairwell. He placed the wrapper in an envelope, and during a meeting of department heads, Donovan, then the team’s chief operating officer, brandished the wrapper as evidence of the attention to detail that Chiefs employees had grown to ignore.

“A great coaching moment,” Donovan said.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

Quote:

Pioli frequently came down hard on minutiae. Some emphases made sense, some staffers said; others, though, seemed over the top. One executive, who’s no longer with the team, was sent to human resources for casually referring to Pioli by his last name; the executive said, however, that first names were acceptable. Pioli also sent a memo with detailed instructions, including which stairway to use and which doorway to enter, when using the facility’s gym.
Quote:

When Pioli took over the Chiefs, he seemed determined to eliminate the chance of a competitor spying on his team. This past November, a security guard noticed a sedan stopped on Lancer Lane, a public road that runs adjacent to the Chiefs’ practice fields, as the team’s morning session was beginning. The driver took a photograph on his cell phone, and the guard ran toward him, standing there until the man deleted the picture. As the guard returned to his post, he told a Star reporter that, if the man hadn’t erased the photo, the guard would’ve confiscated the phone.
Quote:

Melton said she frequently took the brunt of Pioli’s outbursts on such matters as the temperature in his office, the radio signal in the weight room, and how much the organization spent annually on coffee.

Bowser 01-15-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny (Post 8296937)
Anyone down to chip in for a skywriter to fly over the practice field and write "WE'RE WATCHING YOU"?

In

PornChief 01-15-2012 12:02 AM

if it gets us a superbowl he can give em all cavity searches for all i care.

The Bad Guy 01-15-2012 12:03 AM

Quote:

“He was so focused on what seemed like unimportant details for the general manager of a football team,” she said. “We all had to step to the beat of his drum, but we all kept questioning: ‘How is this building a better football team?’"
****ing exactly. Don't build the depth on the line, safety, or quarterback Scott.

Just worry about the radio frequency in the locker room and how much coffee is being consumed.

Brock 01-15-2012 12:03 AM

I understand some of the things in the article being thought of badly, but does anybody really think of "Hey they could be watching my email and my web surfing and my phone log" as something odd? The bottom line is if you want stable employment working for more or less easygoing people, a sports franchise is probably among the worst things you could pick.

dallaschiefsfan 01-15-2012 12:03 AM

Wow. Crazy stuff. Actual Journalism...I'm impressed. I actually know Stephanie Melton from High School. She seemed to contribute quite a bit to Babb's story.

And what ever happened to the division between the personnel side and the business operations side? Last I checked, Pioli didn't carry both titles like Carl. He sure seems to be exercising the power of both titles, though. This can't end well.

007 01-15-2012 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZootedGranny (Post 8296937)
Anyone down to chip in for a skywriter to fly over the practice field and write "WE'RE WATCHING YOU"?

<--------- I have been. ;)

Dr. Gigglepants 01-15-2012 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8296936)
If this is true he needs to be fired 2.5 years ago.

I hate to react that way, immediately after reading an article like this one, and I am still one of the few who is holding on to a slight bit of hope for the Pioli era here.

But if we went a new direction tomorrow I wouldn't be upset.

Bowser 01-15-2012 12:04 AM

I believe I would have told that rent a cop to kindly go get ****ed if he threatened to confiscate my phone.

The Bad Guy 01-15-2012 12:04 AM

The guard would have confiscated the phone? On what grounds?

dallaschiefsfan 01-15-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8296954)
The guard would have confiscated the phone? On what grounds?

He couldn't have. He would have been charged if he had attempted to confiscate anything.

tk13 01-15-2012 12:06 AM

There's always going to be grumbling when there's turnover, some people will never like the new boss. But some of this stuff isn't hard to believe. Belichick himself is probably borderline psycho about some things. Look at all that Spygate stuff. He just wins football games so no one cares. There have been plenty of reports come out lately that Bill Polian ruled with ego and fear too. The stuff about Haley thinking his office was bugged is hilarious, in a twisted way.

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8296909)
I think this article will draw up a lawsuit against Babb.

But if this is true, then he did a damn great job of reporting.

teedubya 01-15-2012 12:08 AM

"A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized."

Goldman Sachs training program. :rolleyes:

This franchise is an embarrassment. Who would want to come here as a free agent knowing this shit? Word gets around.

Winning, my ass.

Brock 01-15-2012 12:09 AM

Babb did a nice job on this, I haven't read an interesting story on the Chiefs since Whitlock left.

-King- 01-15-2012 12:09 AM

I'll wait to see how he handles the QB position to see how I fully feel about Pioli.

This backroom shit doesn't affect me one bit. If he gets us a QB, I couldn't care less if he made employees strip down and gave each one of them cavity searches before they could enter the building.

007 01-15-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8296961)
But if this is true, then he did a damn great job of reporting.

Oh absolutely!!!! Can't wait to hear KK and NW on Monday now.

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornChief (Post 8296942)
if it gets us a superbowl he can give em all cavity searches for all i care.

But that's the problem. He hasn't done shit yet, so he doesn't have the right to act the way he does. Yeah maybe he looked good in New England thanks to an amazing coach and falling into a franchise QB by accident, but in KC he hasn't done shit.

Bowser 01-15-2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 8296962)
"A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized."

Goldman Sachs training program. :rolleyes:

This franchise is an embarrassment. Who would want to come here as a free agent knowing this shit? Word gets around.

Winning, my ass.

This is actually a great point. It will be interesting to watch how active we are in FA this year, considering we're close to 30 mil under the cap. If we go out and have another haul of Bechts and Piscatellis for our FA pickups this year, this theory will have much merit.

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8296970)
Oh absolutely!!!! Can't wait to hear KK and NW on Monday now.

Same here. Nick is gonna be all over this shit.

Al Bundy 01-15-2012 12:11 AM

Business-side staffers with an office window facing the practice fields were made to keep their shades drawn during practices. The team president was no exception. A security guard made the rounds during practices, sometimes interrupting phone calls and meetings to lower shades.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14...#storylink=cpy


This part I know to be true. Paranoia.... one of my friends worked there and had to quit because of stress.

Bowser 01-15-2012 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8296967)
Babb did a nice job on this, I haven't read an interesting story on the Chiefs since Whitlock left.

This may actually be the first truly scathing article of Piloi, considering the backroom stories. And Mellinger's pieces on Piloi's drafts can't be considered scathing compared to this.

Brock 01-15-2012 12:13 AM

I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

Dr. Gigglepants 01-15-2012 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8296983)
I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

True, but the coaches and staff sure care.

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:14 AM

Anyone have a hard time believing Clark Hunt would want his top executives behaving this way, knowing how his dad was and how he's supposed to be his father's son?

-King- 01-15-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 8296962)
"A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized."

Goldman Sachs training program. :rolleyes:

This franchise is an embarrassment. Who would want to come here as a free agent knowing this shit? Word gets around.

Winning, my ass.

Nope.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8296983)
I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

This.

CoMoChief 01-15-2012 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8296983)
I doubt the players give a shit about what's going on in the office.

no kidding.

also, I don't know really what could be done administratively that can make Bowe a better player etc...

Chiefs Pantalones 01-15-2012 12:15 AM

Could Babb force Hunt's hand to fire Pioli after this article? I mean the organization takes a hit after something like this coming out...

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:16 AM

Lamar Hunt used to pass out gameday magazines in front of Arrowhead on Sundays. Like a minimum wage schlep.

Scott Pioli can't take 10 seconds to bend down and pick up a candy wrapper.

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8296993)
Could Babb force Hunt's hand to fire Pioli after this article? I mean the organization takes a hit after something like this coming out...

Probably not, but as Chiefs fans we'd have to make sure everyone who cares in KC recognizes this article.

Brock 01-15-2012 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants (Post 8296985)
True, but the coaches and staff sure care.

Well, maybe, but I'm not sure that anything I'm reading in this article is really that far out of the norm. Let's face it, sports management jobs attract a certain type of person (paranoid, psychopathic assholes with giant egos).

tk13 01-15-2012 12:18 AM

I doubt this would affect free agency. Where it would hurt is coaching candidates (i.e. Jeff Fisher) knowing this stuff and not even blinking at KC while flirting with Miami, where he would've eventually worked under Carl Peterson.

Titty Meat 01-15-2012 12:18 AM

Things are so secret that a talk show host has the teams defensive play book.

DeezNutz 01-15-2012 12:21 AM

If Pioli put as much attention to detail into the roster as he does his subordinates, we'd be a pretty decent franchise.

Can't wait until this clown is fired. Eagerly anticipating 2032.

tk13 01-15-2012 12:22 AM

I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

-King- 01-15-2012 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8297003)
Well, maybe, but I'm not sure that anything I'm reading in this article is really that far out of the norm. Let's face it, sports management jobs attract a certain type of person (paranoid, psychopathic assholes with giant egos).

This.

I'm shocked that people are surprised that people who run billion dollar companies have huge egos.

But like Tk said, other teams probably do the same things. The reason you don't hear about it is because they win. If Pioli gets us a QB, nobody on this board will give two shits about Stephanie Melton and her troubles. Just like if this same story came out about Belichick (I'm sure he does the same exact shit), no one in New England would care.

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8297016)
If Pioli put as much attention to detail into the roster as he does his subordinates, we'd be a pretty decent franchise.

Can't wait until this clown is fired. Eagerly anticipating 2032.

This.

Seems to me that there's too much energy being wasted on non-football related things by a man who is so called the "Head of all football operations".

Bowser 01-15-2012 12:23 AM

Yeah, all good points.

Most people would more than likely be shocked at the things that are said and done in most Fortune 500 companies.

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8297021)
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

**** your mother and die Scotty!

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8297021)
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

The WPI premium forum is bug free, head on over.

Rain Man 01-15-2012 12:26 AM

The employees were much happier working for Carl Peterson when there were no performance expectations at all.

DeezNutz 01-15-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8297021)
I guess this is also a good time to reveal that ChiefsPlanet has also been bugged since Pioli took over. Watch what you say people.

Oww. Thanks for the heads-up.

Hey, Pioli...err...Scott, you worthless piece of ****ing shit. It's impressive that you clawed your way into the league by bagging the Tuna's daughter, but the single most admirable line on your resume should be how mother****ing overrated and disappointingly bad you are at your job.

Shove your ****ing wrapper up your candy ass, ****ing Trey Hillman knockoff.

Titty Meat 01-15-2012 12:26 AM

A few former employees, though they don’t deny that the working environment was tense, said they believed Pioli and Donovan simply carried out changes that Clark Hunt, a graduate of the results-oriented Goldman Sachs training program, had authorized.

Now that's irony.

KcMizzou 01-15-2012 12:27 AM

BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

Iowanian 01-15-2012 12:28 AM

With all of the discussion about accountability and honor, Pioli won't be fired, he'll be handed a short, ancient Japanese sword by an elderly Samurai.

007 01-15-2012 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8297041)
The employees were much happier working for Carl Peterson when there were no performance expectations at all.

LMAO

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8297041)
The employees were much happier working for Carl Peterson when there were no performance expectations at all.

Carl Peterson built the Arrowhead experience from the ground up, took a shit, dying franchise and turned it into gold, and you think there were no performance expectations for the employees?

-King- 01-15-2012 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8297045)
BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

:LOL::LOL:


Can't wait for the dirt DaFace has on Rain Man if he ever leaves. I heard Rain Man lets his cat do the accounting for the company.

tk13 01-15-2012 12:29 AM

Also, the real reason Hootie was banned was because he left a Snickers wrapper on the floor of his bedroom for 5 days. Maybe if that little slob showed some attention to detail he'd still be posting here. We aren't going to win any message board championships with that crap.

Hammock Parties 01-15-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8297045)
BREAKING NEWS : People who've recently lost their jobs are pissed off.

That's not the most interesting part of this, to me. We've known about the age discrimination suit for some time now.

The reports of dumbass behavior by high-ranking employees is highly disturbing. Judging by what we know, Pioli spent more time scouting a candy bar wrapper than our starting QB.

-King- 01-15-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8297055)
Also, the real reason Hootie was banned was because he left a Snickers wrapper on the floor of his bedroom for 5 days. Maybe if that little slob showed some attention to detail he'd still be posting here. We aren't going to win any message board championships with that crap.

Always close your chiefs planet tab when you're done posting. I've heard Patriots Planet has been around here video taping.

Brock 01-15-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8297052)
Carl Peterson built the Arrowhead experience from the ground up, took a shit, dying franchise and turned it into gold, and you think there were no performance expectations for the employees?

He fired a bunch of old guard people and brought in his own. This isn't rocket science.

Chiefs Pantalones 01-15-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8297055)
Also, the real reason Hootie was banned was because he left a Snickers wrapper on the floor of his bedroom for 5 days. Maybe if that little slob showed some attention to detail he'd still be posting here. We aren't going to win any message board championships with that crap.

He used to work for the Chiefs, but thanks to Pioli now all he can get is a pizza delivery gig. Pioli ruins lives.

Rain Man 01-15-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8297052)
Carl Peterson built the Arrowhead experience from the ground up, took a shit, dying franchise and turned it into gold, and you think there were no performance expectations for the employees?

For the first five years I suspect you're right. During the Donnell Bennett/Carlton Gray years, I suspect workers were going to the movies during the work day. And we know Carl wasn't doing anything at all for the first four or five months of the John Tait negotiations.

KcMizzou 01-15-2012 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8297061)
He fired a bunch of old guard people and brought in his own. This isn't rocket science.

Exactly. Cry me a river.


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