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MIAdragon 01-17-2012 01:22 PM

Fisher to sign $35M deal
 
:LOL:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/S...ar-deal-011712

The St. Louis Rams are set to make Jeff Fisher the NFL's second-highest paid coach, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Tuesday.

Fisher, who chose the Rams over the Miami Dolphins Friday, will sign a five-year contract worth about $35 million before his formal introduction at a 2:00pm ET news conference Tuesday.

His yearly salary of about $7 million is second only to Bill Belichick's $7.5 million, and tied with the Redskins' Mike Shanahan.

The 53-year-old, who did not coach this season after 17 years with the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans, will only be given the title of head coach.

However, he reportedly will be involved in the ongoing search for a general manager, and is expected to have significant input on personnel decisions.



According to the NFL Network, Gregg Williams will leave the Saints to become Fisher's defensive coordinator, while Brian Schottenheimer, formerly of the Jets, is the leading contender to become the Rams' offensive coordinator.

Williams' contract was up in New Orleans, and just last week he had referred to Fisher as his "best friend in coaching."

Fisher is also expected to interview former Raiders head coach Hue Jackson for the offensive coordinator job, according to ESPN.

Red Beans 01-17-2012 01:25 PM

"Money well spent." - Omega/Gif Horse/Clay

Rain Man 01-17-2012 01:25 PM

I really don't get this. The guy had 17 years of stability, a #1 draft pick QB who wasn't a bust (McNair), and he didn't bring home a Lombardi. In 17 years the odds are that any average coach will make it to at least one Super Bowl just by random luck, and that's what he did. Way to shoot towards average, St. Louis.

kstater 01-17-2012 01:26 PM

That's a lot of ficking money for mediocrity.

jd1020 01-17-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8305509)
I really don't get this. The guy had 17 years of stability, a #1 draft pick QB who wasn't a bust (McNair), and he didn't bring home a Lombardi. In 17 years the odds are that any average coach will make it to at least one Super Bowl just by random luck, and that's what he did. Way to shoot towards average, St. Louis.

We are shooting for the moon with Crennel.

the Talking Can 01-17-2012 01:27 PM

**** that noise...

the Talking Can 01-17-2012 01:27 PM

we can get like 40 crennels for that price

Okie_Apparition 01-17-2012 01:28 PM

$875,000 a win
in a good year

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:28 PM

7m a year for Jeff Fisher, or 5m a year for Scott Pioli.

I know who I want.

Titty Meat 01-17-2012 01:28 PM

That's a lot for 8 wins a year.

KC_Lee 01-17-2012 01:29 PM

Wow, that averages $1,000,000 to $800,000 per win. Congrats St. Louis.

Titty Meat 01-17-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305516)
7m a year for Jeff Fisher, or 5m a year for Scott Pioli.

I know who I want.

Yeah Pioli.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8305509)
I really don't get this. The guy had 17 years of stability, a #1 draft pick QB who wasn't a bust (McNair), and he didn't bring home a Lombardi. In 17 years the odds are that any average coach will make it to at least one Super Bowl just by random luck, and that's what he did. Way to shoot towards average, St. Louis.

He did not have stability for 17 years once the owner started meddling.

Said it several times: Fisher should be judged on what he did during his career with McNair and nothing else.

He would have won at least one Super Bowl if he hadn't run into 1. The Greatest Offense Ever and 2. The Greatest Defense Ever.

pr_capone 01-17-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8305511)
We are shooting for the moon with Crennel.

A. KC isn't paying RAC 7mil per year.
B. RAC didn't have 17 years under a single franchise with 2 1st rd pick qbs.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:30 PM

I guarantee you the Rams win a playoff game before the Chiefs do.

Then you'll all be laughing at Fisher I'm sure.

MIAdragon 01-17-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305527)
I guarantee you the Rams win a playoff game before the Chiefs do.

Then you'll all be laughing at Fisher I'm sure.

LMAO

Okie_Apparition 01-17-2012 01:31 PM

THe Arch is just a symbol of getting bent over

Rain Man 01-17-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8305511)
We are shooting for the moon with Crennel.

I'm going to back Romeo, but I'd prefer that they roll the dice and bring in a guy who could be great. I think Cleveland already proved that Crennel is not the next Lombardi.

I really liked the philosophy of the Haley hire. It may not have worked out like we wanted, but it was a good bet. I wish they'd do it again.

-King- 01-17-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305516)
7m a year for Jeff Fisher, or 5m a year for Scott Pioli.

I know who I want.

I'll take Piolis last 2 drafts over all ~16 of Fishers.

I'd pay Pioli 10M if it meant that I wouldn't have to pay 7M to Fisher.

Titty Meat 01-17-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305527)
I guarantee you the Rams win a playoff game before the Chiefs do.

Then you'll all be laughing at Fisher I'm sure.

Romeo will double Fishers win total next year.

jd1020 01-17-2012 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8305526)
A. KC isn't paying RAC 7mil per year.
B. RAC didn't have 17 years under a single franchise with 2 1st rd pick qbs.

So Romeo has had far less opportunity to be HC and is 11 years older? Seems like a fantastic hire.

Rain Man 01-17-2012 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305525)
He did not have stability for 17 years once the owner started meddling.

Said it several times: Fisher should be judged on what he did during his career with McNair and nothing else.

He would have won at least one Super Bowl if he hadn't run into 1. The Greatest Offense Ever and 2. The Greatest Defense Ever.

So in other words, he would've won a Super Bowl if there wasn't a better team out there that year. And every other year.

I don't know the extent to which the owner meddled, so I can't comment on that. I understand it happened on the Vince Young pick, but did it happen consistently?

Okie_Apparition 01-17-2012 01:35 PM

Romeo has 5 rings
he'll shove the 6th up Fisher's ass

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8305534)
I'll take Piolis last 2 drafts over all ~16 of Fishers.

I'd pay Pioli 10M if it meant that I wouldn't have to pay 7M to Fisher.

LMAO

Wake me when Pioli drafts someone with the impact of a Jevon Kearse.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8305543)
So in other words, he would've won a Super Bowl if there wasn't a better team out there that year. And every other year.

I don't know the extent to which the owner meddled, so I can't comment on that. I understand it happened on the Vince Young pick, but did it happen consistently?

As soon as he forced VY on Fisher, stability was gone.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:40 PM

I'll go all 'Hamas' Jenkins on this:

I will leave CP for a year if Romeo Crennel wins more games as Chiefs coach than Fisher does as Rams coach.

And I'll even count the two wins he already has.

Chiefnj2 01-17-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305557)
As soon as he forced VY on Fisher, stability was gone.


Since 2006, Jeff Fisher has a 14-18 record with anyone other than Young starting at QB. With Vince Young at the helm, Fisher and the Titans are 26-9.

-King- 01-17-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305561)
I'll go all 'Hamas' Jenkins on this:

I will leave CP for a year if Romeo Crennel wins more games as Chiefs coach than Fisher does as Rams coach.

And I'll even count the two wins he already has.

Next year? Are you ****ing high? You really think the 2012 Rams will win more games than the 2012 Chiefs?

Bowser 01-17-2012 01:42 PM

Gruden and Cowher think this is a very interesting story.

Okie_Apparition 01-17-2012 01:42 PM

Of Course
Fisher will be in St Louis long after RAC has retired

-King- 01-17-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8305567)
Since 2006, Jeff Fisher has a 14-18 record with anyone other than Young starting at QB. With Vince Young at the helm, Fisher and the Titans are 26-9.

:LOL::LOL: Owned.

Bowser 01-17-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305561)
I'll go all 'Hamas' Jenkins on this:

I will leave CP for a year if Romeo Crennel wins more games as Chiefs coach than Fisher does as Rams coach.

And I'll even count the two wins he already has.

Throw in not posting at Texansplanet as well, and you've got a deal.

jd1020 01-17-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8305567)
Since 2006, Jeff Fisher has a 14-18 record with anyone other than Young starting at QB. With Vince Young at the helm, Fisher and the Titans are 26-9.

The QB Fisher wanted is still starting in the NFL.

Gonzo 01-17-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305527)
I guarantee you the Rams win a playoff game before the Chiefs do.

Then you'll all be laughing at Fisher I'm sure.

Maybe, I mean they have a qb, (sort of).

I think (Barring injuries) that the Chiefs will win a playoff game this year. Will the Rams do the same?

Meh, I'd give them about a 40% chance.
They're going to have a pretty easy schedule this year.

-King- 01-17-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305555)
LMAO

Wake me when Pioli drafts someone with the impact of a Jevon Kearse.

You realize that Kearse had one elite year and consistently got worse every single year? And I'd take Eric berry over Kearse any day of the week.

Okie_Apparition 01-17-2012 01:45 PM

Well Finnegan's Titan contract is up
I wonder if he'll take Charles out for the year in the Governor's Cup game

pr_capone 01-17-2012 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305561)
I'll go all 'Hamas' Jenkins on this:

I will leave CP for a year if Romeo Crennel wins more games as Chiefs coach than Fisher does as Rams coach.

And I'll even count the two wins he already has.

To be clear,

Preseason not included, playoffs not included. You are saying that for the 2012 regular season, Jeff Fisher will have 3+ more wins than RAC (since you are including the 2 for this season for RAC). Is this correct?

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8305568)
Next year? Are you ****ing high? You really think the 2012 Rams will win more games than the 2012 Chiefs?

No, over the course of their tenure.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8305582)
You realize that Kearse had one elite year and consistently got worse every single year? And I'd take Eric berry over Kearse any day of the week.

You'd take an elite pass rusher over a good safety who know has a knee issue.

Smart guy.

jd1020 01-17-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8305588)
To be clear,

Preseason not included, playoffs not included. You are saying that for the 2012 regular season, Jeff Fisher will have 3+ more wins than RAC (since you are including the 2 for this season for RAC). Is this correct?

Where did he say next year?

He said as a Rams coach and a Chiefs coach. So... Crennel has to be dominant in his years as a Chief since its likely Fisher will be a Rams coach for longer.

pr_capone 01-17-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305589)
No, over the course of their tenure.

That is a long expiration date.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8305578)
The QB Fisher wanted is still starting in the NFL.

Yep, Cutler would have been a good pick.

-King- 01-17-2012 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305589)
No, over the course of their tenure.

Well of course ROFL Fisher will be the coach of the rams for 20 seasons or some shit. This is a no risk bet for you.

-King- 01-17-2012 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305590)
You'd take an elite pass rusher over a good safety who know has a knee issue.

Smart guy.

He had ONE elite year.

pr_capone 01-17-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8305591)
Where did he say next year?

He said as a Rams coach and a Chiefs coach. So... Crennel has to be dominant in his years as a Chief since its likely Fisher will be a Rams coach for longer.

The question mark at the end of my post means that I am looking for clarification, in fact, I even added the words... "is that correct" before said question mark. I thought that the meaning of that symbol was universally understood.

My apologies.

Start Croyle 01-17-2012 01:51 PM

Dumb! Why pay somebody so much, when they are the first person you get rid of when things start going downhill? In today's NFL, coaches are disposable! With the kind of management style that has become prominent, there is no reason to pay any coach this much! It's a waste of money!

jd1020 01-17-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8305598)
The question mark at the end of my post means that I am looking for clarification, in fact, I even added the words... "is that correct" before said question mark. I thought that the meaning of that symbol was universally understood.

My apologies.

My bad. I thought it was clear.

BoneKrusher 01-17-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8305517)
That's a lot for 8 wins a year.

ain't that the truth...

Brock 01-17-2012 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305589)
No, over the course of their tenure.

:facepalm: Weak, wimpy, worthless bet.

jd1020 01-17-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8305607)
:facepalm: Weak, wimpy, worthless bet.

Should be more wins in 2014.

That would give both coaches 1 full season with their teams.

htismaqe 01-17-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305593)
Yep, Cutler would have been a good pick.

He was also very high on Matt Lionheart as well.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8305607)
:facepalm: Weak, wimpy, worthless bet.

If Fisher is as god awful as everyone here says, he'll be fired in 3 or 4 years.

Mr. Laz 01-17-2012 02:06 PM

it's about franchise structure, not the money.

Brock 01-17-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8305642)
it's about franchise structure, not the money.

LMAO yep

Mile High Mania 01-17-2012 02:11 PM

"Over-Rated" (clap, clap - clap, clap, clap)

Brock 01-17-2012 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305638)
If Fisher is as god awful as everyone here says, he'll be fired in 3 or 4 years.

Who says he's awful? He's 8-8 personified.

Deberg_1990 01-17-2012 02:30 PM

I think alot of owners and GM like "safe" choices like Fisher because you know exactly what you are getting. 8-11 wins a year, win a playoff game or 2 in 5 years......keeps the butts in seats. This is why guys like Wade Phillips keep getting looks at HC. In their minds better to play it safe than a potential trainwreck.

HemiEd 01-17-2012 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305525)
He did not have stability for 17 years once the owner started meddling.

Said it several times: Fisher should be judged on what he did during his career with McNair and nothing else.

He would have won at least one Super Bowl if he hadn't run into 1. The Greatest Offense Ever and 2. The Greatest Defense Ever.

:LOL: Its always somebody, how is LJ doing now?

HemiEd 01-17-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8305532)
I'm going to back Romeo, but I'd prefer that they roll the dice and bring in a guy who could be great. I think Cleveland already proved that Crennel is not the next Lombardi.

I really liked the philosophy of the Haley hire. It may not have worked out like we wanted, but it was a good bet. I wish they'd do it again.

This

vailpass 01-17-2012 02:36 PM

What say those of you who were posting Fisher wouldn't get a HC job and/or wouldn't command a high-dollar salary?

Munson 01-17-2012 02:38 PM

Who knew that mediocrity could pay so well.

HemiEd 01-17-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8305618)
Should be more wins in 2014.

That would give both coaches 1 full season with their teams.

Not very good at math, are you?

jd1020 01-17-2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8305739)
Not very good at math, are you?

Are you?

BigMeatballDave 01-17-2012 02:42 PM

Holee shit

htismaqe 01-17-2012 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8305711)
I think alot of owners and GM like "safe" choices like Fisher because you know exactly what you are getting. 8-11 wins a year, win a playoff game or 2 in 5 years......keeps the butts in seats. This is why guys like Wade Phillips keep getting looks at HC. In their minds better to play it safe than a potential trainwreck.

That's exactly it.

We tried to do the RIGHT thing when we hired Haley. That's how you get a Harbaugh or Peyton.

Unfortunately, the downside is...well...Todd Haley.

HemiEd 01-17-2012 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8305740)
Are you?

Yeah, better than screwing up 1, 2 , 3. :D

2014 would be their third season. 2012 first, 2013 second, etc. See how that works?

jd1020 01-17-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8305744)
That's exactly it.

We tried to do the RIGHT thing when we hired Haley. That's how you get a Harbaugh or Peyton.

Unfortunately, the downside is...well...Todd Haley.

Seems awfully similar to the QB situation.

Went out and tried to get an "up and coming stud HC" and failed. Now they are scared to try again.

jd1020 01-17-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8305745)
Yeah, better than screwing up 1, 2 , 3. :D

2014 would be their third season. 2012 first, 2013 second, etc. See how that works?

2014. 1 season.

The advantage in talent Crennel has to work with would make it completely unfair.

Coaches generally get 3 years to show something. Fisher should be able to put his own fingerprint on the Rams by then, same goes for Crennel.

WhiteWhale 01-17-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305525)
He did not have stability for 17 years once the owner started meddling.

Said it several times: Fisher should be judged on what he did during his career with McNair and nothing else.

He would have won at least one Super Bowl if he hadn't run into 1. The Greatest Offense Ever and 2. The Greatest Defense Ever.

Okay.

Air Mcnair was an incredible college prospect with game changing potential. Fisher turned him into a game manager and refused to give him any weapons on the outside and relied on a running game. Had a better smarter coach taken advantage of McNair's talents, the Titans would have been far more successful in the post-season. Not only that, but since Fisher rarely gave him any good protection he was often injured from taking a ridiculous amount of hits.

As for Vince Young... lol. Vince Young as a starter = 30-18

Fisher kept starting Kerry Collins over Young. Collins as a starter under Fisher = 15-17

Remember 2009 when his 'meddling' owner forced him to change QB's and the team went from 0-6 with Collins to 8-2 with Young? I bet fisher was pissed since he was trying really hard to get fired, an action you condemn Haley for but give Fisher a pass on.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 03:36 PM

McNair was so much of a game manager that he was in the top 10 in passing multiple seasons.

And Young did not win those games. Go and look at the performance of their defense.

ChiefsCountry 01-17-2012 03:46 PM

$875,000 per win for the Rams with 8-8 Fisher.

Dave Lane 01-17-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8305513)
we can get like 40 crennels for that price

On a per pound basis though Crennel really shines.

Rams Fan 01-17-2012 04:01 PM

Remember when the Titans won, what, 12 games with Kerry Collins at QB?

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan (Post 8305971)
Remember when the Titans won, what, 12 games with Kerry Collins at QB?

Thirteen.

KC_Lee 01-17-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan (Post 8305971)
Remember when the Titans won, what, 12 games with Kerry Collins at QB?

They went 13 - 3, had home field and promptly lost at home in the first game. The entire city of Nashville was on suicide watch after that game.

Hmmm...a coach that loves to run the ball, play strong D, and had a broke dick vet at QB that goes 13 - 3 and loses. That sound famliar to anyone on this board?

Anyone?

Fisher has never had any really awful teams, just a few good teams that were held back by his conservative play calling.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 8305986)

Fisher has never had any really awful teams, just a few good teams that were held back by his conservative play calling.

LMAO

Fisher loved the deep ball on offense.

He also hired an OC to throw the ball down the field late in his Titans career.

Rams Fan 01-17-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305974)
Thirteen.

Thought Collins came in Week 1 after Young went down(Young started the game I believe).

KC_Lee 01-17-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8305994)
LMAO

Fisher loved the deep ball on offense.

He also hired an OC to throw the ball down the field late in his Titans career.

Yeah, on a play action fake after running it up the middle endlessly ala Marty during the DeBerg years.

Hammock Parties 01-17-2012 04:11 PM

OK. Whatever.

Can't wait to see how well our offense does with Rme Crennel as our head coach.

Brock 01-17-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8306008)
OK. Whatever.

Can't wait to see how well our offense does with Rme Crennel as our head coach.

It will probably look surprisingly similiar to our offense with Todd Haley as our head coach, depending on who the QB is.


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