Chiefs Emery to Bears as next GM?
 

Sorry if repost, hopefully this wouldn't hurt our scouting for the draft.

Two league sources tell the Chicago Sun Times that Chiefs college scouting director Phil Emery is in the "driver's seat" to replace Jerry Angelo as the Bears' next general manager.

Emery worked in the Falcons' front office when Atlanta drafted Michael Vick, and has been with Scott Pioli in Kansas City for the last three seasons. A 31-year football veteran, Emery's background is almost strictly in college scouting.

Hey Forte
pick up the gum wrapper

The Patriot Way is about to infect another organization.

Where's Cutler going this time?

havent even heard his name before this point, so i could care less

He's 31 ****ing years old.

He must be a ****ing genius if he's going to be an NFL GM at this point.

That has to be some kind of record for youth at the GM position.

Isn't that an unusual jump from head of scouting to GM?

Fire Pioli and hire this guy.

Please re-read.

OK, so he's not 31.

But my god, would you trust your football team to THIS FACE?

http://prod.static.chiefs.clubs.nfl....phil_emery.jpg

If Pioli can fork
it's a good sign

I can't help reading the title of this thread in a Chinese accent, and the guy's name is "Emily."

No wonder we been drafting bad with this grandpa advising the talent.I now you all want to blame pioli.But scouts point the talent out.

Idiot.

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I FIRMLY believe that the outstanding quality of our last two drafts has been because of Emery and Haleys inputs and background.

We lose Emery, look forward to subpar drafts in coming years.

Now Emery is the draft guru, not Pioli?

Who do we blame for McCluster?

LMAO

That's always been the case. A combination of Haley and Emery.

Look at the quality of the 2009 class as opposed to the 10/11 classes.

It's not even close.

That smiley says one of two things:

You think our last two drafts have stunk (which would be a fools opinion, I don't think that's the case here)

You think Piolis ability to draft effectively had more to do with his own abilities rather than the guys that he made his decisions based on their information.

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Even if you guys hated Haley, Let's not forget that Haley grew up around scouts that built dynasties through effective drafting. I absolutely think he had a huge part to do with the last two really good drafts and that his input on prospects will be sorely missed.

It would be pretty comical if Emery left and we had another 2009esque class.

Tragic not comical.

With Pioli we had a draft full of "who?" and "WTF?"

With Haley/Emery in house we had two "balla ass GM" drafts.

I hope to god we don't go back to the former.

Speaking of McCluster, how long are you forced to wear that sig?

Whole offseason.

At least unlike SlowMo, he honored the bet. He's still posting as a Bronco fan just putting this :cuss: after everything.

What? Emery and Haley were here during the 2009 draft too.

Haley wasn't here in 2009? Why are you just making shit up?

Emery was hired after the draft.

Haley was hired in mid February due to the Superbowl run.

I expect us to take a big step back in April if Emery leaves.

darn, we've lost the talented personnel two headed monster of Haley and Emery.

I mean, really?

LMAO

Who are the hidden gems that Emery found?

Our UDFA's have been dogshit. Yeah, he hit on Eric Berry. A blind dog could have picked Eric Berry.

Houston was a no-brainer, Hudson was a standout.

Emery is no big loss.

Powe
Lewis
Succop
Houston
Asamoah
Belcher
Bailey
Moeaki

Stanzi

Shit, our drafts after the first two rounds have been as good as ANY TEAM IN FOOTBALL the last two years and our early picks have been solid players or emerging superstars. It's just too bad Thomas Jones did what he did prior to the season, Baldwin could be a guy with a lot of buzz going forward.

Shit, people still hate on Dexter even after he had 850 yards from scrimmage IN HIS SECOND YEAR. The way he came alive once we had a real quarterback should give his future here real promise.

The 2011 draft of ours was better than the 2008 class if you take out the Jared Allen factor.

If Stanzi and Powe hit, it could be one of the best classes we have EVER had...though it will NEVER be the best because of that HOF class in the 60s.

somebody is taking some mind altering substances.

Brock, you think our last two drafts have been average or below average?

If so, ROFL.

If Emery goes to Chicago, their drafts will improve almost immediately.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,Lol who are these great players Haley/Emery drafted?Besides Berry and Houston nodody

Yeah Boss, we didn't get 8 all pros from each draft so they are nobodies.

Who are the great players from the 2011 draft besides Houston?

Well, we probably don't know them very well yet because they're ****ING ROOKIES.

Christ, I ****ing hate eric.

If you want to keep praising Emery, stop putting guys in there that were drafted in 2009.

No one will notice if Phil Emery leaves.

Bad Guy, heard anything from Arrowhead about the report or the OC search?

Nope. Haven't heard anything since last weekend.

I think the Daboll stuff is fluff. The Chiefs could have interviewed him at any time by simply asking the Dolphins.

He might be a candidate as a WR coach, but I can't see him as an OC here.

What did you hear last weekend? Can't remember.

That the hire was 95% Romeo's. Pioli isn't influencing it at all.

Guys I heard they are interested in:

Clements (He's not interviewing for OC jobs until the Bucs gig is decided).
Chryst
Lombardi was a name being mentioned, but I don't think it's accurate.

The last name I kept getting told last weekend to keep an eye on was Brian Ferentz.

I don't buy Daboll. I think the next OC is def. on a team that's still playing, but that's just my opinion.

Again, take all of this with a grain of salt.

It's cool Bad Guy.


It's just nice to get football info instead of some of the shit we get from the kc reporters.

lol ... so Haley gets the credit for anything good and Pioli gets credit for every thing bad.


this place is so full of shit

impossible ... evil Pioli forces his will on everything.

i imagine the guy you got the information from was just too scared to tell the truth because his phone was bugged.

When has The Bad Guy's source ever leaked anything important like "Dwayne Bowe Looking For Big Season"?

I put Succop and Belcher in there for a reason.

Let me ask you a question...

Which do you think makes more sense?

1) Phil Emery scouts Jovan Belcher while working for Atlanta and knows quite a bit about him being Belcher is a 4-3 DE at Maine and after Phil signed in KC on April 30th (after the draft) that he spoke up about JB to Pioli as a guy they should bring in and Belcher is signed May a week and a half later (he was signed May 9th)

2) Pioli and his ONE SCOUT found Belcher at Maine (when Belcher was a DE for them) and though/knew enough about his abilities to be able to play 3-4 ilb that they offered him a UDFA contract.

I listed the third and later guys that were good talents that slipped in the draft and that the ONLY one Pioli got on his own, even with high picks every round in 09, was Succop.

If you guys think either of the last two drafts were anything short of extremely good, you need to do some research on other teams drafts and re-assess your expectations to include realistic ones.

actually last years draft wasn't good because of who we drafted. It was how long we waited before we drafted them... By not jumping for Houston in the second, and waiting for Stanzi and Poe, it was like we knew exactly when other teams wanted to grab the guys we wanted.

(IE: top-secret stuff paying off)

Amazing, isn't it? Emery might be leaving (of course it's because of the bad atmosphere at Arrowhead, just like Haley), and suddenly he's the only reason the draft was working.

I never said they weren't good.

Phil Emery is the director of scouting. He's not the end all and be all of the scouting department. They have a lot of capable guys in that department now and it's not going to hell in a hand basket because he's leaving.

Of course. Don't forget Haley gone too is going to ruin our drafts.

Yeah, I mean his dad was a great scout, undoubtedly he must be too. After all, he spent a couple of years keeping his dad's coffee warm with the Jets.

It's not that at all, laz.

Pioli gets the credit for making decisions with information given to him by the people he puts in place to gather that information.

That's why you hire a director of college scouting.

All I'm saying is that the people giving him said information (Phil Emery managing them) have obviously done a really good job of collecting the information that Pioli bases his decisions on and that losing that information will probably hurt us because with said information the results were damn good.

That fair?

come on guys, we haven't won a superbowl yet, so it's obvious we haven't drafted well lately....

So, neither of you think that losing the director of college scouting after two solid drafts is a big deal?

I'm not saying we don't have people in place that could step up and do as good a job, it's possible.

I am just saying that the draft is what this team thrived on IMO the last two years and that hopefully session be able to continue our string of quality drafts (sans 09)

No, I doubt it's going to have any effect at all.

I also, unlike you, don't think Haley ever EVER had anything to do with the drafts. Just thinking about that makes me LMAO

Haley's "accomplishments" in the war room? LMAO. Maybe if a few Perkins waitresses were serving.

Pioli and Haley worked together on almost every pick.

Haley was also at the senior bowl practices as well as the combine.

But you're right, he never had anything to do with the draft.

I don't think Pioli and Haley worked together on much of anything, which is exactly why the latter is looking for HS golf programs to run.

According to Haleys interview after he got canned, the worked together in every pick but Pioli had the final say.

Said they argued about the Tyson Jackson pick.

I wonder who Haley wanted at the time?

Not sure. You could be right and Haley was in the loop and respected. But I have serious questions about how much The Gum Wrapper of the Decade trusts anyone other than his own genious.

Only involve someone else to the point that they can be used as a scapegoat later

Yeah, that's what they really tried hard to do in terms of setting up the front office the last two years. Emery was an important initial hire from the Falcons because he had worked with Dimitrioff for a bit and picked up the Patriots draft grading system from him, so when he came over here he was able to transition seamlessly and help train the scouts here. One would hope that by now they would have that house in order so that if he does leave, they've got guys to pick up the slack. But at the end of the day it's Pioli's show...

Why bother fighting it.

People are still convinced that you can do an entire draft off of online scouting reports.

Yeah, it's not going to have any effect at all. He only leads the entire scouting department.

Emery's job is to manage the logistics of the scouting department and to set the "playbooks" so his scouting department is all looking at the right kinds of things.

Anybody who thinks Emery's job isn't difficult has never worked in a business before. There are a gajillion smart "technical" businesspeople in the world today. A select amount of them have any clue how to manage anybody.

Emery has done a good job. We've had good drafts, and the scouting department is typically credited with great great late round picks. I hope we don't lost him.

Jesus ****ing christ.

What I'm saying is he's essentially the principal of the school. He crunches numbers, gives assignments, and manages the staff.

Losing him isn't the end of the world. Someone else will step into that role.

Where are all these great, great late round picks I keep reading about in this thread?

Thinking Haley had no hand in our drafts is like saying herm had nothing to do with drafts then too. Not giving either full credit, but come on man, they both had hands in the drafts they were a part of.

Yeah, he is easily replaceable but other teams want to hire him in a larger capacity.

How is that supposed to make sense?

JFC now I see why you are sporting all that Chiefs red.

So for those that think Emery was a major force behind our recent two drafts, how would you reconcile the fact that Pioli is a control freak who imposes his will on his underlings with Emery and Haley getting to choose Pioli's team's draft picks?

Doesn't make sense.

Pioli is the person who probably drafted and scouted every player we drafted in his era.

It is preposterous to credit Haley with shit besides Breaston and Bowe. It is enough that he trusted Palko more than Stanzi.
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Jfc. It doesn't matter how much of a control freak you are. It is enormously impossible to scout every player. In fact, because pioli seems to be so involved in so much, even non football activities, that gives him even less time.

And Haley absolutely deserves credit. He's the guy who developed a lot of these guys.

The moment I saw your name on the last replied by I knew we were due for some Haley jizz lovin' and nut huggin'.

Pioli has the final say on who we draft. He isn't going to scout every player and neither does Haley. Maybe Emery in a small capacity and I seriously doubt it.
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Principal of the school? Are you kidding me?

Do you really think Thomas Dimitroff did nothing in New England? Because Emery is pretty much doing his job. Emery's doing it even MORESO because in New England, Pioli was purely a personnel guy whereas in Kansas City, he has to also handle coaches and, it appears, he micromanages a lot of the business side too. How much time do you think Pioli actually has to spend on scouting?

Emery is THE guy when it comes to scouting. He has to organize the scouting network, collect/digest/process a mountain of scouting information, and then give Pioli the important sound bytes. If anybody thinks Pioli has the time to read every single report from a scout, they're crazy. GMs put a ton of trust in their college scouting directors to get their evaluations right. Pioli may micromanage, but he's only human. Why do you think college scouting directors are constantly interviewed for GM positions? Because they are by a mile the most important guy in the organization below a GM.

And yes, Emery has done a remarkable job the past two seasons. He's been pretty solid in rounds 3-5.

When did I say Haley scouted players? I said his job is to take what he's given and develop the hell out of them. And you are seriously an idiot if you think Emery has a limited role in deciding who we draft. Pioli has to digest the information that Emery feeds to him. Pioli can't make an informed decision unless Emery does his job right.

Only for people like you who look forward to being the board drama queen.

My biggest concern by a mile is that we lose Emery and nobody qualified wants to take his job. After hearing about the culture Pioli's promoting in KC, who would really want to work there?

So what I can gather is that you think principals of schools do nothing? It's the same principle. He organizes everything, analyzes numbers, communicates with staffs, checks productivity and then reports to his boss.

He has a network of scouts and the "Patriot way" has always been one one leaves they have his replacement ready in the front office/scouting/coaching.

This team is in bad shape, but it's not going to completely tank drafts if Phil Emery leaves, contrary to what you and Boss Chief want to keep preaching.

And no matter how big of an asshole Pioli is, there's going to be someone qualified that wants to have a high profile job in a front office. Pioli was an asshole before he got to KC and he was able to hire people.

If you think Baab's story is new info among NFL people, you are wrong.

Of course it doesn't make sense. They want to talk out both sides of their mouths. Pioli is a micromanager, but leaves everything to Emery?

It's Chiefzilla though. Common sense probably never paid a visit to his brain.

Kansas City?