Mayock says Poe reminds him of Haloti Ngata
 

Mike Mayock on Memphis DL Dontari Poe, says he reminds him of Haloti Ngata potential. 'He's that big, but he's so raw it's scary.'

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OH SHIT WE BETTER TRADE UP AND GET HIM THEN!

Why? We'll just reach for him at #11.

Ngata doesn't play nose. That's what we need.

He use to.

You're probably right. And I'll be pissed.

Scary would be the operative term.

Powe and Poe has a nice ring to it.

And if they bust, Poo squared.

What if, the guy fell to us in the second.

Richardson in the first, Poe in the second, Bobbie Massie in the third anyone?

I really like the sound of that

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The Dragon Warriors, or The Po-lice

Imagine the confusion for the former when he'd be trying to read the depth chart...Dude would always think he's starting.

Callin' the Powe Poe on that offense.

McCluster reminds me of Jerry Rice

if you mean the Dancing with the stars version of Jerry Rice, then i agree.

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holy wtf batman

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Poe will be taken early because there are only so many big guys on the planet who can move well.

That being said, even though he was on a bad team, his lack of on field productivity is alarming. And, he's not a NT in KC's system.

How do you figure?

Watch any clips you can of him and read reports he isn't a good run defender. He gets moved around on the line. He'd be best used as an end that is asked to get in the backfield, or as a DT in a 43.

Interesting...

Pick up Soliai and draft Poe; we could have one heck of a 5-2 defense (pretty much what the Texans run).

Bailey, Dorsey, Soliai, Poe, Hali
Houston, Johnson
Flowers, Berry, Lewis, Routt

In before the "he's 6'5 and too tall to play NT" people come in claiming he's now the "ideal size."

To be fair, looks like he measured in at 6'4 according to NFL.com on the combine site.

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(I'm so happy for him. =3)

So he's officially listed as 6'3" 1/2

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NFL Draft 2012: Dontari Poe Not A True Nose Tackle?

Headshot_tiny by Joel Thorman on Mar 6, 2012 8:30 AM CST in NFL Draft 2012


One of the big stories at the 2012 NFL Combine was Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe who tore it showing off his athleticism and strength. For a 6'4", 346 pound man, it was an impressive showing. Many people said he's one of the few true nose tackles in the 2012 NFL draft.

One respected draft analyst, Russ Lande or Sporting News, disagrees.



"After finishing film evaluation of Memphis Dontari Poe it seems clear to me that he is much more of a big 3 tech DT than a true NT," Lande wrote on Twitter.

OK, not a good start considering I wanted the Chiefs to consider him with the 11th pick.

"Poe seems more comfortable using quicks to attacks gaps & penetrate," Lande continued. "Doesn't play like a true 2-gap, run stuffing clogger."

Kinda tricky here but the Chiefs run a two-gap system. Remember Aubrayo Franklin last year? He had experience only in a one-gap, which is a big reason KC didn't pursue him. In other words, this stuff matters (no matter how big the name).

"Poe probably would fit best as a 5 tech DE in a 34 like San Diego or Pittsburgh plays, not in KC's 34 scheme as well though," Lande wrote.

I don't watch Memphis football so I'm not gonna sit here and waste your time acting like I know any better about Poe than Lande. But this is something to take note of.

And now for the dreaded comparison...

"Memphis DT D. Poe does not play like an elite talent on film often enough & reminds me of former 1st Rd Picks Ryan Sims & Jimmy Kennedy," Lande tweeted.

Ryan Sims...NO!!!! STAY AWAY! STAY AWAY!

I think we'll take Poe at 11 .....

I don't think Poe fits our defense. I don't think any of the top 5-6 DTs fit our defense actually.

The only one is the kid from LSU and he's a 5T in our defense, not a NT.

Whoa. Did someone take a bedazzler to Jerry's face?

K, I'm lost

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Maybe Crennel could do somethings with him, but he looks like a workout warrior to me.

He sucks. If he's getting pushed around like that against Tulane-level talent, he's going to bust out of the pros.

He doesn't play nearly as quick as he times.

Just say no to Poe.

I realize we're years down the line here, but Ngata dominated at every level he played at. When he went to Oregon he was a blue chip top, 5 star, top 5 overall in the nation prospect. Then dominated in the Pac 12. Then dominated in the NFL. Poe may have some physical similarities, but his body of work as of this point in time is nothing like Ngata's was before the 2006 draft. Ngata was damn close to a can't miss, Poe is not.

Thats completely unimpressive...

Probably why we will reach and take him.

Poe looks slow/non-explosive off the ball. at least based on that tape. and considering it was against Friggin Tulane...

Yep...workouts mean nothing. All that matters is what they do in games. This guy is invisible out there. I hope the f'ing Raiders take him.

I'll say this if KC doesn't pick up Poe in the 1st the better select Josh Chapman in the second round.

I like Chapman, but Jerrell Powe is going to play this year. Spending a high pick on a two down nose isn't necessary.

I worry about Jerrell, because unlike some other "untouchable" players at a position Powe only cracked into the normal rotation only once and that was due to injury. I say this because most of bad habits occurred during that period too by falling too much at the point of attack,thus getting caught off balance.Plus Powe was a 6th rounder so KC wouldn't be spending another high round pick at the position it be the first crack to try to get a NT with a high round pick.

You base that off of what?

What a nose is SUPPOSED to look like: fat, slow, but immovable. Don't let the interior line gain any push for pocket formation. That's EXACTLY what Ta'amu would do for us.

It's what's missing from Poe's college footage.

If Ta'amu could do exactly what he does in this highlight reel for us against NFL talent, we would be set. Our linebackers, as good as they are, would be SCARY good. And Dorsey and Jackson might actually get in the backfield and make plays.

I've never been more convinced of any player that we need to take in this draft if the opportunity arises. Reach for him in the 1st if you have to. I don't care. He's worth it.

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He got owned by Baylor during their Bowl game, I'd pass on him

We need the big mofo at NT for our scheme. Poe looks like the pick, IMO.

Oddly enough, he looked better when he moved over to an end position on a 3 man front and when he didn't play so damn high.

The tape wasn't impressive, but I don't see anything that couldn't be corrected. He needs to play lower on every snap and develop moves/counter moves. On one play he did a pretty sick spin move to side step the OG and apply pressure. He'll definitely be a project.

WORD. I like this guy much more than Poe.

If Poe was available in the 6th round like Jerell Powe I'd be excited about that project. We're talking about taking him in the 1st.

Pioli (as fat as he's been about the QB position) has done very well drafting for this team, and it's because he didn't take "project" players with high draft picks. Even though Tyson Jackson absolutely turned into one of those players, the thing about him coming out of college was that he'd be immediately ready to start as a 3-4 DE. That's why Pioli liked him. Thankfully I don't see us parting from that tradition.

Our NT position right now includes a project player one year into his career and a tweener. We need a guy who's got a much higher floor than Poe.

Because I'm over Poe. He just hasn't played like a 1st rounder.

I think the Chiefs have to target Alameda Ta'amu as a must draft at some point. (not sure yet where he's projected). Simply running out of pure NTs big enough to play the position.

Ta'amu is starting to look like a great 2nd rounder for us and I believe he will make it that far. There just aren't a lot of teams out there still running a 2-gap 3-4 that desperately need a NT.

the problem Ta'mu his play and his skill set is more like a 3 tech instead of a true NT/NG

Really? I don't see it.

The dude is 6'3'' and 350. That's certainly big enough to play the 0. In fact, the fact that he has some burst can only help him in that regard; allowing him to fire off the ball a little bit quicker to help get his pads down.

It's not like he's playing at 315; you may have a point if that were the case. But the dude absolutely has the size for the 0. And his skill set is there as well, provided that he's willing to use it.

The only question would really be whether or not he could be coached to play a less aggressive, more 'gap-sound' form of DT. I don't see anything in his history to suggest he couldn't.

I'm with most of the thread; I like him a TON more than Poe and he's going to go later it would appear.

KC should still sign Garay in free agency.

Size isn't an issue, It's his style of play he's more of a "gap shooter" than a rock in the middle the Stanford and Baylor games are a perfect example. He plays with good footwork, but at times disappears and doesn't hold his ground well when going against elite maulers or strong Interior linemen. If you saw the Baylor bowl game was brutal for him.

But isn't that again just a coaching issue?

What do you see that suggests he can't be a 2-gap? We know that a lot of the time he didn't play that way in college, but it doesn't appear to be a motor issue (Poe) or a size issue (Brockers). It just looks to me like he was asked to do something different from what we do, so that's what he did.

In the meantime, his motor is good for a big man and his size/skills are perfect to become an elite 2-gap NT.

from what I read on the kid off the field he's not real big self starter and lets himself go ( ballooned up to 400+ pounds in one offseason) and went on a stretch of games in which he was a non factor. The more I read about him outside what I saw on the field gives me doubts that he could be in some degree Ryan Sims esque.

The nose whisperer hath spoken.

Many are hyping Dontari Poe as top NT, but he is not a NT & A. Ta'amu from Washington is the best true NT in the 2012 Draft.

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ROFL

Just say NO to POE.

A Sims-esque player is just fine in the 2nd round.

If he were a perfect prospect, he wouldn't be available there.

I see a lot of upside for minimal risk in a package that could grow to be as good or better than anyone in the draft at being a legit 0-tech, 2-gap NT.

Alameda Ta'amu is a true NT and Poe is NOT! Poe is a 5-Tech 3-4 DE just Ngata. Ta'amu is 100% a NT. From all the film I've watch on him, he holds up the point of attack and takes on double teams extremely well. I pray to God he is there at #44!

Tribal:

Ta'amu looked ineffective as a gap shooter because he's NOT a gap shooter. Washington simply doesn't run a defense suitable to Ta'amu's skills.

What we do know is Steve Sark is just another piece of garbage coach from that USC powerhouse 10 years ago. Ta'amu did things he was uncomfortable doing (like stunting out of his gap and rushing the quarterback around the RT). As a NT, especially one in a Romeo Crennel defense, he's only going to be asked to take up the interior blockers, not give ground on running downs, and whenever possible, make only a few behind-the-line stops every few games. And that's while operating as a 2-down nose. That's totally reasonable to expect out of a guy like that.

Hell, ****ing Vince Wilfork was rarely on the field in 3rd downs for most of his career. Spending a 2nd rounder on Ta'amu is absolutely a smart choice.

Ta'amu pushed single blocking around pretty good in the first half of the senior bowl. The south team had to double team him in the second half in order to get anything done. Looked like a 2 gap nt nfl starter to me.

Look how deep Ta'amu is able to get into the backfield on passing downs against inferior competition. Why can't Poe with all his speed, size, and strength do this against similar crap competition?

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He's not any kind of pass rushing force whatsoever, but at least we know this guy is a big bad beast to handle up front.

If he can work on getting out of his break faster, he's going to be quite a good nose tackle in the NFL.

I'm sure I can speak for a lot of people here and say there's nothing wrong with it, for US.

But we're not the coach, Romeo Crennel is, and his scheme ain't gonna change.

What? You'd be happy with another Ryan Sims stiff, and you'd be willing to waste a 2nd rounder on him? WTF are you thinking son?

Not only is he not a perfect prospect...he looks like a wash out. Did you watch the film????

Sooooo, now Poe went from ngata to 4th dl in draft without playing a game. Draft gurus are ****ing idiot schmucks.

This is nothing new. It was well known he was going to get pushed to the ****ing moon when he attended the combine, and now those idiots are realizing his tape is awful.

At least Mayock was smart enough in the long run to step back after the combine and re-evaluate more film of Poe. It is apparent he saw the same thing as everyone else. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see that Poe is a work-out warrior but a piss poor DT for his physical specks.
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http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansa...rst-round-pick

I presume this is what folks are referencing?

Yeah - once Mayock finally started paying attention, he saw what the rest of us saw months ago.

I'm tired of listening to these guys and expecting to be wowed by the information they possess. These idiots rarely know anything more than we do. Mayock was talking out his ass, started to actually look into his tripe and realized "wait - I'm full of shit"...

Good for him for at least coming to his senses a little bit.

So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?


Imagine a Richardson, Poe 1 and 2 round.

Until I see a mock that actually has him not in the 1st round I'm going to say no.

I'm not sure I'd want him even in the 2nd round. That's how much of a hater I am.

Hell, getting caught with weed was enough to turn teams against Justin Houston until the 3rd round. Something far more important like... oh, I don't know... lack of college production might deter teams to let the guy fall equally as far. And in my opinion they should.

Ugh.... what?

Ta'amu's tape is good.

Chapman's is better:

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I think Ta'amu would be perfectly fine in our system, but he'd take a bit to learn it. Ta'amu shoots a gap a lot in that tape posted earlier in the thread. He plays like a 1-gap NT, but I think he could probably pick up the 2-gap.

Chapman, however, plays exactly like a two-gap. Watch him.

Chapman looks good for sure. But damn... 315 is awfully light for a two-gap nose. He could absolutely be a Ratliff as a one-gapper, but I just don't see a guy like him holding up very well against double teams from professional interior linemen on a weekly basis.

I have no idea what his frame can hold before he starts to lose strength and burst, but he needs AT LEAST 10 more lbs to be counted on legitimately for what we'd ask him to do.

Also, I'm a bit wary of that knee surgery he just had.

Those two factors together put Ta'amu at the smallest notch above Chapman for me.