Cowboys "covet" free agent CB Brandon Carr
 

According to Pro Football Weekly, the Cowboys "covet" free agent CB Brandon Carr and are expected to "go all in for him" when the market opens.
Carr is a big, physical corner with experience in both man and zone schemes, and he'd be a sizable upgrade on Terence Newman at left cornerback. The Cowboys can release Newman after March 13 and "designate" him a post-June 1 cut, saving over $6 million in cap space. Carr will command a pretty penny, but the secondary was Dallas' most glaring weakness for much of last season. Related: Cowboys
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4893/brandon-carr

Bahahahahahahaha Pioli is a duck.

Bye Carr. We loved ya man.

Tag Carr now.

Yes.

Nope, Pioli is definitely going to re-sign him. That is totally the plan. ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

He's gone. I've come to terms with it.

called it

He's likely to be coveted by many teams. Why don't we franchise him and actively shop him? Imagine the haul a guy like Carr could bring in.

Because Pioli is smarter than you. Shut up and suck his huge boston cock.

But this is exactly why we should've worked a long term deal with Bowe, and then franchised Carr. But no. We're too ****ing stupid to do that.

LOL

I did my crying when they signed Routt. I'm over it.

You cannot tie up $100m between 2 CBs.

Because we're franshising bowe?
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if he even has a decent season in a media darling market like Dallas under a Rob Ryan defense he will easily make the Pro Bowl and become recognized probably more so than Flowers on the Chiefs

that is sad.

You're not tying up $100 million.

You're tying up less than half that in guaranteed money. Flowers got 22 million guaranteed.

I believe that Flowers has reached his ceiling, while Carr is still ascending.

When it's all said and done, with good coaching Carr will be the better cover corner, and was for the last half of last year.

IDK carr on hakeem nicks and desean jackson could get ugly for him too.

Carr was on the number 1 wr about 15% of the time lets see him on the number 1 100% of the time before we judge.

I'm 100% ok with letting a starting corner walk IF we spend his money on Peyton Manning.

Also, Pioli has been working on Re-signing Bowe for a year now.

Remember when the supposed blow up between Hey and Bowe happened and the report was that Bowe went to Pioli and Pioli said to lay off the players he is trying to re-sign...

I wonder if Bowe is waiting to see what hallens at QB, too.

I'm sure he and Tony G had many conversations about quarterbacks and aykff wins/superbowls.

Fine. Whatever. I'm over it.

I love Carr, but we aren't winning shit without a real QB anyway.

It stinks but it's the reality of things. No team ever keeps 100% of its guys. I'm sure Carr's agent knew what he'd get in the open market.

The positive is... you don't build teams around CB's. You just don't. A legitimate Super Bowl defense is not built around that position.

If we're really letting him walk, I hope a bidding war breaks out and Jerry makes him filthy rich.

Amazing how its always the teams fault if we don't resign somebody even though we haven't let 1 top tier FA leave in years and years.

Dallas is going to over pay Carr and plenty of teams would be willing to give Bowe huge $. We shouldnt pay both of them insane money when we still have other holes to fill.

I dont think Bowe or Carr ever had any intentions of signing an extension and were going to push for FA or the tag the whole time.

But that is Pioli's fault. OK.

Not judging.

Just expressing the opinion that the recognition that Carr as a Cowboy would get would be earned.

Overpay Bowe. I don't give a rat's ass. We have a unique opportunity to hold the cards and drive up the price for a very good, proven corner. I'm curious as to what other people think would be reasonable compensation for a guy like that.

Yep.

My feeling now is Carr is gonna get a sick deal from Dallas.

Time to move on.

IMO the drop off between carr and routt is very little.

This has been all the buzz on the Dallas sports talk scene since the Cowboys shit the bed at the end of the season. I despise the Cowboys, but I don't blame them for lusting after Carr. Their overpayed overhyped secondary was dreadful last year.

I agree. I think he is overrated by Chiefs fans because he is a Chief. He is damn good but not great. He and Flowers made a good trandem, being the #1 guy is whole different story.

That being said I want him back but not at $10MM a year.

What are the chances Carr becomes Stanford Routt 2.0?

Not sure I'd go that far, but I bet Carr gets paid over twice as much and the difference between the two isn't as much as some here may think.

Eat shit, Jerry Jones.

Maybe, but you are forgetting Routt is 4 yrs older than Carr. That's huge.

He will get more than 10-yr

My educated guess is a hair over 12/yr

How are we overrating him if other teams are interested?

If Carr truly leaves for another team, Pioli better sign the the likes of Manning, Soliai, Nicks, well some of them at least or I really won't find it funny. :harumph:

He'll get to watch himself on the huge screen 8 times a year

That is the only big difference in my opinion. Over the length of the contract Routt signed, not a big deal.

We simply can't have 2 high paid CB's and a top tier Safety over a very large stretch of time.

We still have Albert to pay as well as a need for several more OL and a NT.

Oh yea, and a stud QB worth paying some $ to.

The drop off between him and Routt is being overstated. You can unsderstand that right?

Carr is younger so he will command more $ and a longer deal.

Flowers-5 years 50M 22M Guaranteed
Berry-6 years 60m 34m Guaranteed
Kendrick Lewis- is gonna be a UFA in 2013(after that season) (He keeps playing like he is gonna have to pay him)

Lets say Carr gets 5 years 55m 25mGuaranteed



In 2 years when this team is in cap hell you will be the first one crying.

Kendrick Lewis is not going to get jack shit.

Crying that Pioli didn't do his job.

So Cassel is no longer a 63 million dollar QB

How much money do you want tied up in the secondary? Nobody does that.

You make sooo many reasonable comments its ridiculous. Seriously.

Who ****ing cares ! We are better off WITH Carr than without.

You don't pay a number 2 corner 12m a year sorry you just don't.

Not if it keeps you from adding talent at more important positions.

No shit. Read my other posts. The point of my post you quoted was Carr is 4 yrs younger and still improving. Routt won't get any better.

I think Carr actually took a step backwards last year. He was better in 2010.

Routt with crennel and Emmitt Thomas will get better.

1) Carr was still improving as a #2 corner. Those days are over, time to face the big boys.

2) if somebody else comes in here and says something like "Carr isn't a #2 corner, teams just put their best receiver on flowers because he is an easier matchup" my head might just explode. The two were targeted equally even though Flowers faced the top guy week in and week out.

3) paying 12 million per year, or even 11 is not smart business. Especially for a team that doesn't have a franchise quarterback.

4) Carrs play improved a lot once Romeo started dialing up some blitzes and applying more pressure. The two are connected and further shows that a good pass rush is far more important that having overspent in the secondary. Just ask the eagles.

Wrong.

You may not believe #2, but isn't us that said that, it was Ryan Fitzpatrick that said that when discussing how the Bills planned to attack the Cheifs secondary.

That's a plan devised by Chan Gailey, and Gailey is one of the best offensive minds in football.

It seems to me that Flowers had one of his worst games of the season against the Bills.

Carr is gone, I've accepted that.
And Routt is not nearly the dropoff that others believe.

But I'm not going to sit here and downplay how good Carr is, or was, simply because he's not likely going to be a Chief any longer any more than I was going to overvalue what Tony Gonzales was simply because he was a Chief.

I know stats can be decieving etc and I couldnt find the end of season numbers for 2011 but I did find through wk 13.

Anyway these numbers back up what I thought watching this season.

2010
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...ycupp/2010.png

2011 through Wk 13 he didn't even crack the top 12. Notice who ranks higher both seasons BTW. His replacement.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...ycupp/2011.png

This does not surprise me. Cowboys wont be the only team in the bidding war.

Just overpay for Bowe. It makes more sense in terms of value to overpay our WR then tag and trade Carr, than it does to franchise Bowe and let Carr walk.

Before Flowers got hurt, he was 2nd only to Revis as a CB in this league, and flowers is head, and shoulders ahead of Carr in run support. I'd put anything on flowers having the better season next year.
I don't see him topped out at all. Carr was better for the last half of last season, but he still was ranked lower in Burn rate.
Losing Carr sucks, but we got the better corner for less money.

Wonder what JJ would give in the way of draft picks for Carr?

Dude. He's 29. He's reached his ceiling. That doesn't mean I think he sucks.

I don't that's necessarily true.

Good coaching can bring out more in players, even at this stage, than they've shown before, and ET is one of the best in the business.

Tag him and bag h....err trade him.

Peyton Manning.

1. The franchise amount if we franchise tag Carr

2. Nothing. As he will be available for free in FA

But Flowers has reached his?

What are you trying to question?

Welp, he's gone.

The smart move is to sign Bowe as his value on the market is less in comparison to Carr. With us having Routt, Carr is more expendable for us, but of more value to other teams like the Cowboys. We could try a sign and trade with Dallas though if that is possible. I would then trade Carr to Dallas (maybe a first this year and second next year). Then give Stl our high 1st and Dallas's high 1st. Then give them our second this year and next along with our 2013 1st and Dallas's 2013 2nd for the #2 pick. STL cleans up with two firsts this year (both in top 15), two 2nds this year and two 1sts and 2nds next year as well. We get the #2 pick this year and then our draft from round 3 on. Then we get rounds 2 on next year, so we lose very few picks.

Tell me again why Carr would agree to that.

He'd be a 2 time Pro Bowler already with a Star on his helmet.

I think he means Tag and Trade

Carr really wouldn't have a choice

I figured that is probably what he meant but I don't believe the chiefs are going to tag him.

That is why I said if it is possible. I am throwing ideas out there that allow us to trade up, without trading the farm for it.

maybe they won't ... dunno

but with all the WR's on the market they just might

Tag Carr and let Bowe walk

We then have a rather large pool of WR's to look at in FA. Maybe Bowe will even come back if he doesn't get the Larry Fitzgerald money he's apparently looking for.

The tag is about getting draft picks back for a guy who might leave imo.

a top CB is worth more in FA this year and will get us more in return.

Exactly, Carr is far more valuable to other teams than he is to us, especially now that we have Routt. That is why we tag him and try to get a reasonable return for him. I would settle for Dallas's #1 this year and #2 next year. They would be far more prone to give that up than multiple #1 picks for him.

We have to show Bowe the money and get him signed so we can tag Carr.

not if Bowe is asking for Fitzgerald mone, we don't

tons of veteran WR's in FA ... let Bowe see what he can get in comparison

I really hope Bowe isn't asking for that kind of deal. He's not gonna get it.

Carl turned the #126th pick in the 2004 draft into a 1st & two 3
Scott what can you turn the #140 in the 2008 draft into