Whitlock thinks RG3's speed is a curse
 

Excellent article.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/R...nalysis-022712

First and foremost... Andrew Luck is pretty goddamn fast. I'm not sure Whitlock realizes that.

He's got a good point about QB's and speed, but I don't think Griffin is gonna get the Randall Cunningham treatment. The falcons actually tried pretty hard to make Vick a legit QB. He just didn't put in the work. Even Vick himself has admitted this.

I think, at times, athletic QB's have a running mentality simply because they can have that. A human's strongest emotion is the avoidance of pain For slower QB's the way to avoid pain is to read the defense really fast and get rid of the ball to the open guy. Running isn't even an option. For guys who can move... it is an option. They don't develop the tools of a QB as naturally. It takes more discipline because they have that option.

I think Griffin has the mental make up to do what many athletic QB's have failed at.

I think Whitlocks fat ass is a curse.

I agree with him. A little mobility is good. But "run around" quarterbacks have never won shit in terms of NFL championships. You have to win from the pocket. That's not even debatable.

Steve Young says "what? "

Steve Young is, I believe, the 2nd or 3rd highest rated QB in NFL history.

:spock:

I knew someone would bring up Steve Young.

1. There is always going to be an exception to every rule. But Steve Young was just very mobile, he wasn't a run around QB like RGIII is. Mike Vick, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Vince Young, etc. None of these guys ever won a championship.

2. Steve Young could win from the pocket and did.

3. Run around QB's don't win championships.

It's not really even a debate. Someone can try, but list me the last 20 SB winning QB's and tell me if they are considered pocket passers or mobile QB's.

Why does everyone call him that? Young had one great running TD.

Here you go, I'll do it for you........

Eli Manning

Aaron Rodgers

Drew Brees

Big Ben

Tom Brady

Brad Johnson

Trent Dilfer

Kurt Warner

John Elway

Brett Favre

Troy Aikman

Steve Young

Mark Rypien

On that list someone will try to make a case for Ben, but he never rushed for more than 204 yards in a season. He has escapability but Ben gets away from a pass rush and then throws the ball. He doesn't actually run down field much.

Elway didn't win one until he stopped running around and got a running game behind him.

Young is the only one that qualifies but he was throwing for 3000+ yards routinely. And well, he's in the hall of fame.

Point is, you probably aren't going to win a championship with a run around QB. A guy that is mobile that can get out of the pocket and throw downfield is one thing, a Michael Vick clone?

No thanks.

Young was a scambler, but didnt really run with regularity like Vick did or does. He didnt win anything until he toned down the running and became a better pocket passer anyways.

Exactly.

But people on this board have a hard on for drafting ANY quarterback. I mean half the people on this board last year wanted to draft Clausen for the love of god.

So basically we don't want a black quarterback because one has never won a Super Bowl?

Not true. What about Elvis GRbac !

Doesn't count. He hardly even played that season.

Griffin had a 179 rushes this year.

Final year in college # of rushes
Newton - 264
Kaepernick - 175
Dalton - 86
Colt McCoy - 129
Tannehill - 58

and this is why i rarely post or get caught up in any sort of draft hype anymore. IM tired and done with it.

I did not watch a lot of RG3 at Baylor but the times i did watch him, to me he seemed to be a pass first run second type of QB.

I read this in Mort's (the whiny Jewish guy) voice from Family Guy. Also, not sure how to say this without being offensive, but you kind of sound like a huge pussy.

Stat of the Week
Comparing air yards for three QB prospects
Att. Passing yards Air yards Pct. of pass yards that are air yards
Griffin 402 4,293 2,326 54.2%
Luck 404 3,519 1,815 51.6%
Weeden 564 4,727 1,993 42.2%

Stats Inc. came up with a stat that I think shows what an impressive downfield thrower Robert Griffin III was last year: air yards. That's the amount of passing yards a quarterback gets, obviously, through the air, before a receiver catches and runs with the ball. Comparing the percentage of air yards Griffin had last year to two other downfield throwers, Andrew Luck of Stanford and Brandon Weeden of Oklahoma State.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1nsI4AwL0

Those numbers don't really impress me.

Talking about a guy like Griffin who played in the spread with one of the fastest WR's in the league vs Luck who played in a pro style with his TEs being the #1 threat.

One of the fastest WR's who just ran a 4.61.

Ya... Wright is clearly 4.6 speed. Thats why he never got behind any CB in college. :rolleyes:

Combine 40 times...

WR Kendall Wright, Baylor, 4.61
WR Chris Owusu, Stanford, 4.36

In before more idiots start posting a 1 time combine # while NFL teams say "they aren't concerned."

:ROFL:

You did that really well. I don't know anybody who would be offended by saying someone sort of sounds like a huge pussy.

What aren't they concerned with? Luck throwing to a TE all the time when he had two of the top O-linemen in the draft, and one of the fastest WR in all of college FB, yet threw to his TE most of the time?

This....thanks for posting it I was going to look for the same stat. I don't get where all these morons keep calling RG3 a running QB. You do not obtain his accuracy by throwing on the run all the time. The pigeon holing of the athletic black QB continues.

They aren't concerned with Wrights "4.6" speed when there is game tape out there of him burning 4.4 CB's like Quandre Diggs from Texas.

Yeah, Young sat behind Montana because of his deficiencies, not because Montana was the BEST EFFING QB EVER.

I agree with TheGuardian pocket passers= SB's.
But to me RG3 is the exception.
He has a pocket passer's arm which usually with a mobile qb is not the case.
If he got injured and lost mobility but somehow it didn't affect his passing I would still build around him.

I agree with some of this... and I've said as much. Not that it would necessarily keep me from drafting the guy. Yeah Luck is mobile too but he is not anywhere near Griffin's universe. Few people are... Griffin is a once in a decade talent. But nobody has ever won with a scrambling QB. He will have to become an elite passer as well to win. Remember when Young won he set a record for Super Bowl passing TDs and was one of the best passing QBs in the league. My other concern is Griffin is not a big tank like Newton or Tebow... so he's probably a bigger injury risk. But I think he's a better passer than Vick or Vince Young... his potential is off the charts.
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That's not what he meant...
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Pull your head out of your ass.

There is no pigeon holing here, the same thing was said of Tebow. And it turned out to be true.

RGIII is not a pocket passer. If the Chiefs are going to draft a QB to build around as a franchise QB, it needs to be the kinds that you know, win super bowls? And those are pocket passers.

RGIII is a running QB. You don't rush for 846, 635, and 700 yards if you're a pocket passer.

You wanna know how many yards Vick ran for in his two years at VT?

585 and 617.

You wanna know how many yards Luck rushed for at Stanford?

354
453
150

What about Tebow?

910
673
895
469 (freshman year)

RGIII is a running QB. The odds that he will lead a team to a SB are slim and none.

But this board has gone ****ing crazy because like I said, half the people here wanted to draft Clausen last year, when it was clear to sane people he sucked.

Drafting a QB just for the sake of it is ****ing stupid beyond comprehension.

How are you a "running QB" when you have the same number of pass attempts as the "passing/pocket QB" and more passing yardage than the passing QB?

Being in a spread offense.

That's really another knock against him as well. That spread offense has produced lots of guys that don't transition well into pro style offenses.

Again, this board just wants to draft ANY QB......JUST BECAUSE.

I knew that, I was just funnin' with ya! :D

It does make you wonder a little bit though if the threat of the run from RGIII caused safeties and corners to play a little more cautious.

Nice job at abusing statistics to agree with your horribly flawed analysis.

You know how many yards Vick threw for in college? 3,279. Total. In two years.

Griffin threw for 4,293 last year alone. 3,501 the year before.

Tebow threw for 3,286 yards in his sophomore, Heisman winning season. He didn't eclipse 3,000 yards in any other of his 4 seasons at Florida.

Vick ran the ball 40% of the time, passing 60%.
Tebow ran the ball 39% of the time, passing 61% (in his 3yrs as a starter).
Griffin III ran the ball 28% of the time, passing 72% (over past 2 seasons).

Hell, Cam Newton was nearly 50/50. At Auburn he had 280 pass attempts and 264 rush attempts. He only threw for 4,000 yard with a 60% completion percentage in his rookie NFL season.

Griffin is not in the same boat as the guys you are comparing him to. You compare him to Vick whose greatest # of pass attempts was 179 in a season. You compare him to Tebow who had tons of questions about his throwing motion and accuracy and ability to transition to the NFL.

We get it, you don't like him. You like Tannehill. Making baseless comparisons doesn't make your argument any stronger.

I was about to post about this but I see you guys have it covered. Griffin never seemed to me like a running QB. Always looking to pass downfield. The comparison to Vick is unfair.

The spread offense argument is actually a legitimate argument. Unlike the running QB argument.

RG3 is talented as Hell, but I have to say the spread offense concerns me big time.

How many teams are running some sort of the spread right now though? It's a QB friendly system. That's why I think so many teams are operating so much out of shotgun.

Pats? Check.
Saints? Check.
Lions? Check.
GB? Maybe not as much but seems as though they operate out of the gun a lot.

My point is that I'm not sure I buy much anymore that the spread is vastly different from the NFL.

How can anyone have actually watched RG3 play and say he's a running QB?

Psst... they haven't watched him play.

and it's hilarious that RG3 has now been added to the pile of "QBs not good enough for the Chiefs"...

said pile just happens to include every QB ever....

and a simple tweak summarizes whitlock's article


i'm kidding...but just barely

This board doesn't want to draft RGIII because he can run, moron.

This board is crazy! They want to draft any QB just because!

Yeah, they want to draft just any QB. Except for any QB in this draft not named Andrew Luck or RGIII.

in truth, if you're a running QB .. defensive cords will put a target on you .. and you're asking to get injured ......

Don't forget that Peyton operated out of the shotgun an awful lot. But he sucks, so I guess it doesn't count....

Assume we adopt a spread offense, with the players that the Chiefs have on Offense, how would you defend it?

The spread plays really well to big receivers, fast running backs who can catch the ball, and a speedy QB that can scramble if he has to.

Aaron Rodger's rushing stats:

2008: 207 yards and 4 TDs
2009: 316 yards and 5 TDs
2010: 356 yards and 4 TDs
2011: 257 yards and 3 TDs

Because it's theGuardian. He's a ****ing moron.

(and Jeff George has yet to file his retirement paperwork).

lol jfc

Now stop posting facts that do not support his argument!!!!!!!!

This is why you cant take Whitlock serious...

It's okay, I'm not offended by the stupidity of others.

It's just a natural instinct that pretty much all living animals share. It's called survival.

Any thread that starts with "Whitlock thinks" is doomed.

FYP

Yeah, but he's black, so obviously it's the other way around.

bullshit ... Cam Newton,Andrew Luck

RG3 is a different type of player than Randall or Vick was and way better. He's smart, did anybody watch that epic bowl game last season? At the end of the game, when RG3 got the ball back and it was time to close the game, you could just see it in his face that he knew they were gonna win. It was like he oozed confidence and I want a guy like that, he's gonna be special. I'm not sure if he's gonna be quite as good as Cam was rookie season but in the long run I think he will be better. It would be so awesome if we make this happen.

How fast was Cam Newton? Both Cam Newton & RGIII are good passers and can make plays however it takes to win. Cam had a spectacular rookie campain & they have gone from the worst team picking first to continders just with Cam & are prime for great things in the NFL. I am jealous of the Panthers right now as I see them building a team that can take over the NFC & start dominating the league for years with him at QB. While we pick our nose with retreads, the Panthers go from worst to possibly best right before our eyes.

I just predict Panthers will win a playoff game or two before Chiefs with our retreads system.

He was that Superbowl's MVP.
What do you mean it doesn't count?

I said it last year before the season ever started, Cam will get to the Superbowl and fast. He's really the first of his kind at QB, it's like Lebron James playing QB or something, he's a freak athlete, a champion and can put up 4,000 yards passing as a rookie. I think he's a douche, but he's ****ing talented as hell.

On a track RG3 is faster than Newton but I'd take Newton running on a football field over RG3.

For character I like RGIII way better than Newton, I give the edge on tallent to Newton but RGIII is special IMO. I was really shocked by the performance of Newton and was even surprised that he was taken first overall last year. What would be epic is if we snag RGIII and hook up in the Super Bowl against the Panthers in a couple of short years getting there. I'm calling it now, if we get RGIII that is.

With the guardian posting against him I have to say I'm in favor of going all in for him now.

I pretty much agree here, i'll always prefer a pocket passer.

You guys are arguing a straw man, you do realize?

RGIII's mobility doesn't take away from his skills as a passer. There's absolutely no reason at all why he couldn't be like an Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay.

The article starts with a delusional statement and has a delusional premise. Why should I read it?

I understand the concern, but it's easily dealt with.

In one of the Rocky movies, Mickey gave Rocky the gift of speed by spending countless hours training him to chase a chicken. What Daboll needs to do is spend countless hours teaching RG3 to chase a yard gnome.

FAX

Says the guy that wanted to draft Clausen.

Better watch the rocks in that glass house, dipshit.

None of those come close to him being labeled a running QB. We've already been over that you ****ing window licker.

Says the guy who flip flopped on Moeaki and was all over Cam Thomas's nuts.

Ummmmm you got the wrong guy dawg.

lolwut?

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