Dolphins weapons better than what the chiefs have?
 

im really confused right now in almost all of the articles ive read of the past few days about 95% of them have said that the dolphins players on offense are better then anything that the chiefs have on the roster right now.....am i missing something or is this just media bias against a smaller market team in the chiefs?

Only a few teams have better weapons, the dolphins isn't one of them.

The Chiefs have had a terrible team since.... '03? and have nothing to show for themselves since.... '93?

There is a reason the media ignores this franchise.

Yes, as a whole... gimme the Dolphins RB/WR/TE group over KC.

IMO they're comparable. Especially if Wayne is a package deal.

they have a franchise LT and a stud WR. not much else...

not sure if srs.

Media bias against a crappy team.

Do we really need Wayne too? I mean hell throw him in, but that leaves us loaded at WR

hmmm....

jamaal charles
dexter mccluster
tony moeaki
dwayne bowe
steve breaston
jon baldwin


miami...

reggie bush
daniel thomas (I'll give the chiefs the edge on RBs if charles is 90% and we get an adequate backup/pounder)
anthony fasano... I'll call it a push, maybe slight homeristic lean to moeaki
brandon marshall
davone bess
(who the hell is their third receiver?)...I'll give us the nod in WRs... bowe and marshall are pretty damned close, and our 2 and 3 push their 2 and 3's shit in.

the media is high.

He just wants Marshall back.

They're the 98/99 Rams

Devon Bess for the......the............

I think the two teams are similar.

But as far as the media goes, they're always going to go with star power, and Marshall is a bigger star than Bowe, and Bush is a bigger star than Charles.

So when these talking heads yap, that's what they're considering and not much else.

Defensively, they're not even comparable, especially once we add in a healthy Eric Berry.

Was thinking this also, but if it's what Manning wants...

their 3rd is hartline?

you're stoned.

Fewest points in franchise history.

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You Fery funny.

I'll take Breaston and Baldwin over Bess and Hartline.

with casshole at the helm?

could be, I'm not 100% sure. either way, I'd take our wideouts every day of the week

Are you just here to troll? Wtf is wrong with you these last few days?

Bowe = Marshall
Charles >> Bush
Moeaki >> Fasano
Breaston > Bess
Baldwin >>>> Whoever

Without Charles, Moeaki, and with Tyler "Pro Bowl" Palko.

We have the better recievers, the better runningback, and the better tight end.

Am I missing something here?

We're not in either Miami or the east coast, therefore we are inferior.

I disagree that the team as good as people think. Look at the Texans. They suffered huge injuries and didn't go into the crapper like KC. Teams that have talent can adjust.

This :clap:

Again. If Wayne comes with Manning, it's a moot point.

And let's not forget what Miami did to us on both sides of the ball last year.

When will Manning throw?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 8, 2012, 2:19 PM EST


Peyton Manning has had his freedom for more than a day. His camp has been leaking all sorts of details to the media, including teams interested in acquiring Manning’s services and his timetable for picking a new one.

But there has been nothing regarding when — or if — he’ll be showing a team that he can throw the ball well enough to justify a significant financial investment, along with placement at the top of the depth chart.

Surely, no team will offer him a contract without seeing him throw in person, and not through a grainy, 27-second YouTube video. So why isn’t he at a team facility right now, showing what he can do?

Some in league circles wonder whether he’s simply not ready to throw, despite his readiness to join a new team. If that’s the case, all it takes is one owner (cough . . . Stephen Ross . . . cough) sufficiently desperate to sell tickets now to take the requirement that he prove his abilities off the table.

In the end, if Manning chooses Miami, that could be the reason for it. Ross could be the only owner who’ll pay him millions, sight unseen.

Other than, of course, Jim Irsay last August.


Could that be their biggest weapon? Signing him sight unseen?

One sure thing we have is that getting to the post season will be easier through the AFC West than the AFC East.

Comparing the two teams...

Marshall is the better WR, even if only slightly better than Bowe.
Charles (healthy) is the better overall RB.
Moeaki and Fasano are a tie... only 1 season for Moeaki at this point.

As a group - Bush/Thomas > Charles & Company.
As a group - Marshall / Bess / Hartline > Bowe / Breaston / Baldwin

They lost Arian Foster for how many games? Did their passing game not suffer when they lost Schaub and Johnson?

How difficult was their schedule again?

I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with you about the Receivers. Bess and Hartline have been around long enough to know they suck. Breaston is just as good, if not better than either of those guys and Baldwin has Marshall like potential.

If the Chiefs land a Back to compliment Charles, then the Chiefs would get the nod at HB as well.

He goes to Miami, they might still miss the playoffs in that division.

yep.

1. TJ Yates > Anything the Chiefs started this season except for Orton. I know he's a 5th round rookie and all, and those guys are cancerAIDS, but still

2. Haley/Muir/Other reeruns running the gameplan, the playcalling, and the overall strategy. Kubes is FAAAR greater than these assholes. And yes, when we're dealing with these kinds of differences, this shit really DOES matter

3. Texans OLine >> KC's. About the only advantage we had over them was Asamoah. Maybe Albert towards the end of the season.

4. Arian Foster vs. Battle/Jones/McCluster. Must we go into this?

So wanna try that again?

There's nothing that Baldwin has done to warrant that yet...and I'm not saying their 3X better at WR, but I do give them the edge.

Potential wise, sure .. they have the potential to be the best in the league, but they're not yet. Miami WRs aren't the best in the league.

I'm just judging them as they are now.

Manning going to Miami would be stupid for him to do. Brady and Rex will stop him from getting back to the SB. Our division could be ownable for him but only in KC red.

I totally disagree about Marshall but in the interest of avoiding unwinnable arguments, I'll give the slightest edge to Marshall. Just barely.

Moeaki/Fasano- I'll even give Fasano the edge here.

Bush/Thomas, though? Please. If the Chiefs draft a RB (doesn't matter who or in which round) they instantly have the better pair.

Marshall/Bess/Hartline? You're basically saying Bess and Hartline > Breaston and Baldwin. That's absolutely ludicrous. If you were Peyton Manning you'd seriously rather throw to Brett ****ing Hartline than a stud with the potential of Jon Baldwin?

The point is that the Texans didn't fall apart when going to their 5th round QB, or Johnson missing half the season, or Foster 3 games, etc. Why -talent and coaching. KC fell apart and was wildly inconsistent all year. KC doesn't have the talent people thinks it does. The majority of CPers think the Chiefs are heads and tails better than the team that beat them by 20+ points last year.

Breaston > Bess and Hartline combined, dude. What have we ever seen from those turds that makes you think they're better than what Baldwin could be, even if he busts? Do you think Manning will look at those guys and say, "Sweet, a couple of Blair Whites! That's just what I've always wanted! I loved that 2010 cluster**** year so much!"

Jamaal Charles, if he hasn't lost a step after his injury, with any decent power RB is clearly better than any combination of RBs Miami has to offer.

Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston and Moeaki IMO form a receiving corps who has the potential to be top 5-10 in this league as soon as this year.

I`m one of those Chiefs fans who think this team is truly a top QB away (and slightly improving the Oline) from contending for the Superbowl.

Where would you improve the talent apart from the offensive line? We could use another RB to share carries with Charles, another TE to wash out the Becht/O'Connell turds... what? Where else are we supposed to improve?

Did it occur to you that the Texans didn't fall apart with their 5th round QB because their 5th round QB was better than Cassel and Palko?

Also, you're putting talent/coaching as equals. In this case, they're not. Kansas City's offensive coaching was an absolute abortion. Far worse than the talent minus Charles and Moeaki. You're acting like talent and coaching work in tandem when a team does poorly. In this case, you're dead wrong.

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the reason the Chiefs offensive weapons get no love is because of the shit QB play the last 5 years. That's the problem.

Marshall and Bush are flashy names, that's why they are better by the media. Nobody cares about Charles because the guy is coming off season ending injury and I'd be surprised if Moeaki ever plays a full NFL season in his career.

If it was back when we sign montana yes we did not have many weapons. They did not give him much help. But now we have way better than miami. Just espn,national media hate kc always have.

Oh yes miami has had much better qb play. Come on now. Lame argument.

I don't think enough has been made of possible changes to the Dolphins defense, plus they will lose some of their players.

You are nuts dude ROFL

Bowe = Marshall

Moeaki > their tight ends

Charles > Bush

Breaston > Bess

Baldwin > Miami scrub

Sorry, it's not close.

Didn't he already do this?

nope, lol

I'd take Charles over all thier skill players combined.

And how have the Dolphins done during that period of time?

And Soliai.

Yeah but we now have their OC. :p

Yates > > > Cassel > > > Palko

More dumb shit.

You can't be serious. Soliai?

ROFL

:facepalm:

I can't believe this was even written...

Does Soliai not make this defense better?

I don't get why people care what the media says. There isn't an athlete more calculated then Peyton. He isn't going to watch the news and go, "oh KC doesn't seem to have anything." He is going to make his own opinions.

Very much this.



Holthus said the same thing yesterday.

We lost our best player on both sides of the ball the first 2 weeks of the season. Later, we lost our shit QB, Matt Cassel. He sucks, but Tyler Palko is much worse. Our first round draft choice WR didn't play until, what, week 5 or 6 or somethin? We fired our coach midseason. Yet we were one game out of making the playoffs. The Texans can go **** themselves.

JFC someone actually thinks the Phins have better talent than us?

Said person should be beaten with a god damn AIDS shovel until they get cancer.

Whooooa

Not someone. Everyone, in the media at least. It's really very ridiculous.

It's clear the only comparison to Miami is Bowe and Marshall. Other than that, hands down, KC has the better offensive weapons. Moeaki, when healthy has show he can be a sick pass catcher and his blocking in year one was better than TG's in year 5. We don't even need to discuss JC because to say any RB is better than a 6.2 YPC RB with as many carries as JC has then they are mentally unstable.

Breaston and Baldwin finish it out with them being better than anything Miami has. ****, Baldwin has the potential to be just as good if not better than Bowe and Marshall both. We still have to see but I think at worst he is what the draft position we drafted him at says he is, a 1st round pick.

I cannot see Fasano coming close to being the pass-catching TE that Moeaki can be. Manning had a hard on for Dallas Clark so a good TE, imo, is very important to Manning. You stick Manning on a field with Bowe, Baldwin and Moeaki and it's the closest thing he is going to see to Harris, Wayne and Clark for the rest of his career. Throw in the fact I think JC is better than EJ was and that makes up for the talent drop you get from the first 3.

AHHHH

Shit, I misread. Frankie, I apologize.

I thought he was referring to Soliai as being a "Star"

It's not hard to figure out. 1) Dolphins fans are a bunch of homers. 2) Miami kicked our face in... in Arrowhead. Of course they're going to be arrogant about it. Although I'm not sure I agree with them. I'd rather have Charles/Bowe than Bush/Marshall, although both groups are talented.

That said, Miami went 6-3 down the stretch, and 2 losses were by a last second FG in Dallas, and a 3 point loss at NE where they blew a 17 point halftime lead. I'm sure they think with Manning in place of Matt Moore, they're a playoff team, just like we do with Manning in place of Cassel.

You're entirely right except for one thing.

Tamba Hali is our best defensive player. I'd probably put DJ ahead of Berry. Losing either of those guys would have hurt even worse.

Agreed. But we did lose playmakers.

I'm sure as well - but the Chiefs play in an easier Division and with Manning in place could win it the whole time he's there. Once in the playoffs, ANYTHING can happen. Especially with a real QB...

Chiefs will arguably be in the weakest division in football next season.

I'd say Breaston is clearly better than Bess, but Baldwin hasn't done shit yet. I see a lot homers giving him credit he hasn't earned yet.

Considering he only played 8 games, 5 of those with Cassel and Palko at QB I'd say we weren't going to get a chance to see much but what we did see shows he has potential and so far to me it appears he was worth the pick.

I just think the way a lot of people act like he's Bowe 2.0 is premature. Right now, based on what they have done in the NFL, you can't say he's clearly better than Hartline.