Belated Evening Cowfeces: Why we should start Stanzi in 2012
 

First of all this is assuming:

1. Pioli doesn't do the smart thing and trade down in the first or trade up with our 2nd rounder to grab Ryan Tannehill

2. We don't sign Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton, who will probably command lower-end starter money. Their contracts would be on the same level as Cassel's. Either you cut Cassel and sign one of them (not going to happen) or you stick with Cassel, Stanzi, and a free agent like Henne (which is what we SHOULDN'T do)

3. The Manning to KC thing is officially not happening

So we've been through the arguments why Cassel is not a starting QB however many times? We've heard them all. And we've interpreted them so many different ways one could write a doctoral dissertation on the subject. I'm not interested in getting into that.

Last training camp/preseason was the only game action in which we got to see Ricky play. People claim he sucked or wasn't good enough to beat out Palko. What people don't remember was what the kind of QB he was when his offensive line gave him time to throw. Not much time, either. These were 7 step drops with only about 3 seconds to look off the safety and fire. He was pretty composed under the pocket, never panicked, and when he had defenders immediately up in his grill after the snap, he actually kept the play alive. Shocking to see that in a QB.

Given his steady and sharp improvement in his career at Iowa and a full NFL offseason with the playbook and coaches, he's going to improve even more. I'd bet a lot that he'll look good in training camp, enough for the average football fan from any team to say, "He could make a stupendous #2 QB on my team."

That's optimistic. Probably too optimistic for many of you. Which is why you shouldn't even consider speculation about how good he is when getting on board with this idea.

So here's what I'm thinking:

We've agreed Cassel is crap, yes? We've also assumed Orton and/or Flynn would not be on this roster next year. This is MY thought experiment folks; if you want to picture Orton or Flynn as members of the Chiefs, go start your own thread. So we'll draft a QB or sign Henne/Derek Anderson/Sucky McSuck QB as Cassel's "competition" most likely to round out the squad. Okay. Are you guys really thinking they're that much better?

If you are, you're probably citing the fact that Cassel got us to the playoffs in 2010 on the legs of Charles, and that he has certainly demonstrated enough that if leashed hard, he can take care of the ball, be patient, and let defense/special teams make plays and throw well after the rest of our machine has some momentum. You're probably asking why we should risk interceptions, team morale, and entire games on a guy who (although through no fault of his own) has proven nothing yet in his first full year in the league. You're also sick of the people who aren't thinking this through clearly, and are loudly bitching because Pioli doesn't run this team like a Madden franchise. I'll address your concerns here.

The reasons why Stanzi should start:

1. Future QB development- The current model is to be patient. We may not have a shot at a blue-chip QB in this year's draft, but that shouldn't stop us from looking at all QBs in every draft until we've found one. But with that process comes the issue of cluster****ing. If we draft Weeden/Cousins/Lindley/Whomever, we're not going to cut Stanzi, Cassel will still start, and we'll probably have one of those guys round out the 3rd string. Nothing wrong with that, except for knowing who the best QB is? How exactly does one run tryouts in a situation where the incumbent sucks and the other two guys have never proven anything? You start the incumbent I guess, but how do you know when these projects you've drafted are ready to go? And I mean either one?

If you're serious about QB development and finding diamonds in the rough, you simply can't draft QBs just to ****ing collect them. They're not beanie babies. You're giving them good workouts and exposure in the offseason, but that's not enough if they just rot on the bench. And as backups, if Cassel gets injured or needs to take a hike midway through the season, what's the rule for patience? Clearly if they put up a Palko performance they should be ditched for the next guy. What if they play at the level of Cassel? They're young dudes. They need time to get used to starting, right? Isn't there something to be said for game-to-game improvement?

2. Roster cycling- So you've got your GM looking for hidden talent in drafts and making phone calls in the free agent boards to find backups, team veterans, or more losers like Tyler Palko. Whatever. The point is, if you stick with what you know in Cassel even if it's uncomfortable, it doesn't really encourage development beyond the starter spot. Now, this wouldn't be a problem at all if we had a franchise QB set at the starting position. But we're trying to upgrade that spot, aren't we? Brett Favre can go through 10+ years and 10+ backups and that's totally fine. Here, our backup is a pretty crucial position.

Think back to the cluster **** that was the Chiefs immediately after Trent Green. Huard was the shit veteran at the starting spot. When he goes down, your next in line is Brodie Croyle, which was good and hopeful and exciting until he couldn't be trusted to stay healthy. Wouldn't you rather know more about your backup QB? If Croyle had started, the season would not have been much different, but at least the second option is the familiar standby you can lean on when times get tough. By doing the same thing with Stanzi and Cassel, we can have "open" competition in camp. Stanzi would likely win. He'd start until he got injured or started being Palko. But AT LEAST you would know what's on the roster next offseason, and it would light a fire until Cassel's ass when he stepped back in.

3. I can't think of anything else, can you? Sorry this last reason isn't much of a climax, but it's the only thing left. We held out the remote hope that Cassel could improve for three seasons. It hasn't happened. If we get to the playoffs, how is relying on the same skittishness against the Ravens, Jets, Texans, or other fierce defense going to change? Coaching? Maybe. But this team has changed since the 2010 season. We're so much more talented and improved now. It's painfully obvious that QB is the last missing piece.

We didn't get one this offseason because we won too many games and didn't have the firepower to trade up. So game managing our way to another 8-8/9-7 season is going to change how? It's going to get us Landry Jones? Seriously? I'm not getting into the "QBs in the first round won't fall like Roethlisberger/Rodgers" debate. I've done it too many times. But it's absolutely foolish to think trying hard and taking the middle way is going to improve us. We either get good or we get bad. This middle way purgatory is going to keep us hoping and dreaming and wishing for a solution forever until we rebuild again.

With Stanzi at the helm, it's a change. Positive or negative? Doesn't matter. At least we'd be going in a direction, and would finally have some answers about how to move on.

I'm pretty sure I rambled and that there will be typos galore. This was kind of written through a single stream of consciousness. But if you can decipher it and agree with me, let's welcome the next starting QB of the Kansas City Chiefs: Ricky Stanzi.

Jesus christ. First Manning now this shit again. cassel is our starting QB. Deal with it. Always has been the "plan". It sucks, but it is what it is.

If its a fair competition, he could beat out Cassel.

LMAO

Every one, get on board. The Stanzi express. If they can get Tebow to start in Denver, we can do it here.

If they start Stanzi we will probably end up with the #1 pick and I'd be all in for that.

MORE STANZI GIFS!

SELL ME!

That one gif is enough. Look at his qb'ing skills. Stands tall, good footwork, nice velocity on the deep ball.


The guy literally did more in that one gif that Cassel has ever done.

Get the man a pepsi

win/win

This season ought to be boom or bust, as far as I'm concerned. Either Stanzi defies expectations and is a legitimate starting quarterback, or he's not and we're in better position to get one. I'm tired of mediocrity.

I've never stop being on the start Stanzi bandwaggon. I think he can really do good and prove that he has what it takes to win in this league.

It will be hard to prove hes legit while backing up Cassel. Or even more likly not suiting up because hes #3 behind Cassel and Henne.

The diamond in the rough part,

I think you gotta still draft a QB. At this point, you draft a QB to create competition on your roster. Best man wins the job. I kinda agree with Pioli there in a sense. But mainly to see who is the best amongst them all. I mean how else are you going to be able to determine what you have? You gotta experiment and try shit out first in order to discover? Thats, at least my theory.


Thats all the Chiefs could do at this point. Sadly though, Im not so sure if Pioli will do that? He may give the job to Cassel? I hope he doesn't, but...?

Im with you, I say give Stanzi a shot. Draft a QB as well whether its 1st, 2nd or 3rd round. Maybe the QB they draft is better than Stanzi? Maybe Stanzi is the next Tom Brady? Regardless, the only thing the Chiefs could do is experiment and hopefully find that guy.

*Also, Im for signing Orton only if it means getting rid Cassel. But I know thats not going to happen. I don't want Orton if it means they are keeping Cassel. Because then I know thats a pussy move by the organization. It'll show that they are scared to give a young QB a chance. Signing Orton and keeping Cassel only gets in the way of finding that "young stud" at QB.

I also think that since it seems that they are out of the Manning sweepstakes. they should do what they can to improve the rest of the team. Sign a NT. Maybe try to find another ILB? Upgrade the OL as well? Sign another RB, etc.

I'm 100% aboard... no Manning? fine, but no more retreads, no more Orton-esque stopgaps & ****ing 'bridges', either.

Take a chance, a risk of SOME kind.

Yep. Guaranteed that franchise OT, since the QB is weak. Too bad it's the worst year to have the first overall pick. /post from the future

I've been nothing but enthused about Stanzi. I thought he was 2nd round value last year.

He looked decent in the preseason. Not his fault Pioli didn't acquire shit for our second-string OL. He had some guy named Bruce Lewis (I *think*) playing left tackle. Stanzi was running for his life the whole time.

I want to see ***MAJOR*** playing time for him this season. I still think he's incredibly talented.

If he couldn't get a chance over Tyler Palko, there's no way he'll get a legitimate chance over Matt Cassel.

I'm all for it, though. The only way it happens is if there's a massive revolt of the fan base to threaten the bottom line.

Love it!

sure why not who gives a shit

He couldn't get a chance over Palko because of Todd Haley.

Crennel immediately promoted him to the #2 when he took over.

That was with Haley being a dick prick. Stanzi never had the opportunity & in preseason didn't even get to play the last game when they had Casshole play four quarters & palko just for a bit in it. Casshole couldn't beat 3rd & fourth string scrubs in that game. Had Stanzi get the opportunity in that game he sure could of done better than Casshole we just didn't get to see it. I think Haley didn't want Stanzi in the first place and wanted Palko to be the guy because he followed him from Arizona & practiced hard. Haley ****ed Stanzi opportunity. That and it was a short offseason from the NFL lockout so really Stanzi didn't get a chance last year. Hope this year is different and with Crennel he shows he has what it takes during OTAs.

Stanzi even said something like, "No, no. Tyler needs to be starting right now. I know he's been here longer, knows the system better than I do. It's his turn." after Cassel got injured.

"It's his turn." Heh. At least he knows what's going on and isn't discouraged

I wish.


This team won games with Palko and Cassel at QB. Crennel will luck into wins with a shit schedule.


We are ****ed forever.

It'd be cool to have a fan revolt of Tebow-like proportions... He even has a sweet gimmick. While Tebow converted the Bronco base into a bunch of hippy bible-thumpers (kinda oxymoronish), WE will have the Stanzi City Chiefs, led by the All-Americanzi, Ricky Stanzi. The Hulk Hogan of QB's. I just hope he's just as successful as a QB as the Hulkster was as a wrassler.

A change from Cassel is a change for the better, even if it is actually a change for the worse. Does that make sense? Actually it does, I might be sold on just seeing what Stanzi has, even if he plays poorly. At least it shows us what we have since we already know that Cassel is shit.

I say OPEN COMPETITION. I say EQUAL FIRST STRING SNAPS. I think Stanzi would beat him. He's actually got more experience as a starting QB.

I also say no Orton/Garrard/insert name of mediocre guy here. These are guys you KNOW the ceiling on.

I do, however, think maybe you might want to look at one of the previously highly rated 'talents' that just never quite worked out to round out your QB group. Sometimes those guys just were in bad situations and never got a fair shake, ala Jim Plunkett.
I'm not saying you're staking the farm on a Brady Quinn type, I'm just saying as what you're thinking is likely to be your 3rd stringer. Sometimes the light bulb comes on late for some guys. There's a few of those 'highly rated first rounders' floating around low on the depth chart. Try one.

The timing in which he threw that ball suggests that he was going to the fly all along. He looked in the middle to look the safety off. Nice completion but no sold when that was his option all along on that play.

Nice ball though.

Nobody paid any attention to your post man, you should start a thread..

**** it. I'm in.

I'd rather start Stanzi and have Kasl holding the clipboard this season than any other option available. I wouldn't hate the world if Flynn was brought in and my grumbling would be minimal if Orton came back but there is no one in the draft where we sit and certainly no value in the 2nd rd.

If Stanzi starts this season... I will be a happy Chiefs fan.

Stanzi is the Manzi

Love it or leave it.

Thats more lookoffs than Brodie in his entire NFL career.

Let's make this the last time this phrase appears anywhere.

Totally this. Orton is worse than Cassel just because he will be good enough to keep us drafting #17 and going 8-8. Give me a QB with a future. Some hope, any hope please!

Its possible. As you said, the throw itself is better than Matt would do. Not to mention the footwork and release.

We were told all season how Stanzi was not ready and that he is raw. I don't see him learning enough in time to start the season. Unless we are throwing him to the wolf.

I have been told that Matt Cassel is the answer. Sometimes, and yes its not often, this organization doesn't know what its talking about with QBs.

Peyton Manning

Stanzi is the Manzi

Bledsoe/Romo = Cassel/Stanzi

Lots and lots of valid comparisons to the two situations and I think the way next year plays out will be very similar to how the transition form Bledsoe to Romo went.

The first line should read:
"OMG how'd you run that far down field so fast. I can't throw that far"
Second line:
"I'll just throw it to you 'cause you're closer and I don't have time to look for a third option"
:)

ROFL ok boss.

Stanzi is the Manningzi

If it's Stanzi or Cassel, I'm going with Stanzi.

One thing stanzi is quite proficient at is reading a defense. My guess is he did know where he was going with the ball b/c of what he saw before the snap. So, he looked off the safety, and let it fly.

I was wondering when you'd show up.

Really? You believe that tripe?

Chiefs nation is calling for heads to roll and wonder why I.. The blue hell we CONTINUE to go with Palko after what we saw out of Stanzi in the preseason.

The excuse: "He's not ready yet ".

Get a clue. Not everything you are told is the truth. Truth is, Tyler Palko doesn't belong on a NFL roster, and unless a team is desperate for an experienced backup, he won't be on an NFL roster.

Truth is, Haley likes him b/c he's a Pittsburgh guy, who just so happened to throw to Haley's favorite WR of all time in college.

I like your signature there aturnis. I knew I heard that term somewhere before and didn't just make it up.

Prediction:

1. Henne brought in for pseudo-competition.
2. Cassel will end up as starter.
3. Henne #2.
4. Stanzi will hold the clipboard and get mop up duty maybe twice during the regular season.
5. Hatred of Chiefs' management will grow stronger.

Not a very bold prediction, as it seems the most logical at this point. I hope that I'm proven wrong. Oh how I hope that I'm proven wrong.

They also told you that Tyler Palko was a legitimate NFL QB.

ROFL

I say go for it. We wanted him to play last year to see what he has. We missed out on Luck and RGIII which were the only two QBs in the draft I think that are better than Stanzi, so it is not worth it for us to waste a 1st on someone like Tannehill who is not Top 11 material. If Stanzi does well, we will be set at QB. If not he will set us up to be in a position in next year's draft to get a franchise QB in round 1.

Sign Orton and let Stanzi get another year learning under his belt .. and run Casshole offfffffffffff .....