BossChiefs 2012 Mock Draft
 

I am assuming that Trent Richardson falls to us and that we are able to move back to 17 with Cincy while adding a third this year and a third next year in the process.

1.17) Mark Barron - You all know I am a big fan of this kid and would love to put Berry in coverage more to utilize his speed more efficiently. Barron is a perfect SS for this defense and Lewis would be perfect for sub packages.

2.27) Peter Konz - We are able to move up to NEs spot while giving up the third this year from Cincy to get easily the best center in this class (and probably of the last few classes if you don't include Pouncey) He isnt really a natural fit for the zone scheme, but he can absolutely do the job and do it at a very high level.

3.74) Jason Chapman - this kid is the real deal. He isnt some overhyped buffoon like Poe or require a first round pick, but he would anchor an elite run defense and give the pocket a push for a long time and would be just the type of guy Romeo will be looking for. He would make Belcher and DJ shine for as long as they are here.

4.107) Orson Charles - Pioli loves him some tight ends and at this point is willing to take a shot on a very talented guy. "Charles needs more catches" I know, I know, we already have Moeaki and Boss...well, Moeaki is injury prone and Boss is mostly just a blocker...take those into consideration and then factor in the value the guy gives us and this is a good pick if he falls this far. I have seen lots of mocks with him lasting this long, but I doubt he really does.

(note: my picks in the third and fourth round can probably be flip flopped to make more sense to some here, depending on who you ask)

5.146 ) Shaun Prater - this kid has definite starter potential and is very well coached. We arent thin at the position, but could use another guy to round out the unit. He is a Hawkeye, what more can you ask for in the fifth round?

6.184) Mike Daniels - I know, I know....another Hawkeye...blah blah blah. Haters gonna hate. this guy would fill out a really good rotation for our DL and is a very active and could do everything asked of him in this defense and would be a reallly good pick at this point of the draft.

7.221) DJ Holt - lots of experience in a 3-4 defense and pretty versatile defender. he could stick on this roster and is basically a pick made to give us depth in case Burflict just goes totally awol.

7.241) Vontaze Burflict - This kid has the potential to be an absolute beast and we do need linebacker depth. Classic boom or bust prospec that I am comfortable doing in the 6th round...again, if he lasts this long. Similar to Charles, I see lots of mocks with him falling this far...and further.

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I think this draft is a good mixture of meat and potatoes players that can step in and help us immediately and low risk/high reward guys that could prove to also be impact type defenders.

What do you guys think of it?

Love the draft. Burfict still has tremendous upside even though he is a psycho. I personally would go Ryan Broyles over Charles. He has the makings of a great slot receiver, and is now insurance of we don't get something worked out with DBowe

Where to start........

1. I love the Barron pick, but the Bengals NEVER move in the draft.

2. Konz in the late second? Oooooooookay.

EDIT: I think you meant 1.27, not 2.27.

3. It's Josh Chapman, but I love the pick.

4. Charles could very well fall this far, following his legal troubles. He's a good get at that point, but I do worry about the TE position with Moeaki, Charles, Boss, Maneri, and O'Connell. I think we're set at TE even before we pick Charles.

5. Prater is a zone corner at the next level, not a man corner.

6. Burfict is a total fantasy pick. For god's sakes, man. He's not going to be a Chief. Let it go.

haha yeah, one of my buddies name is Jason Chapman and I make that mistake all the time. My friends laugh at me when we are watching the games and I say his name.

My bad also on the number thing with the Konz pick, you got it with the edit though.

Prater is a good corner...also, they at one point said that Flowers and Carr were only zone corners, too.

Ive NEVER been a Burflict fan, but if he is there at an irrelevant slot, Id take him and see what happens. Its a throw away pick to see what the kid acts like around a lot of good leadership type players that we currently have. If he still acts like a complete fool, burn the pick and cut him...but he could also develop into the type of BEAST he was two years ago.

i'd rather have a burfict in the seventh, whos a boom or bust guy than another shane bannon who never had a hope of playing. with burfict at least there's some hope

We have a locker room full of really nice guys, not a Patriots/Ravens/Saints locker room where every single player is held to account by his teammates, thereby straightening out crazy players.

Who in the locker room do we really have that's an aggressive leader for this team? Brandon Flowers is the only guy I can think of.

Everybody else is too nice. There's no Brian Waters or Tony Gonzalez.

You said "aggressive", right? Is Thomas Jones still under contract?

Burfict will be in Baltimore.

I dont know. I have always believed that you need one nasty mother****er on your team.

A tone setter if you will.

Id take Burflict and set him loose on special teams and goaline to start with and go from there.

As far as leaders go, you dont have to be a rah rah guy to be an effective leader.

Guys like Eric Berry, Flowers and Bowe would set him straight in the locker room or he wouldnt last long and I think his upside is worth that gamble for a measly late 7th rounder.

I like this draft.

How about this for your trade scenario...

#11 (1250 points) and #44 (470 points) for 1720 total points to the Bengals

#17 (950 points) and #21 (800 points) for 1750 total points to the Chiefs

looks good to me.
I like Konz in the 2nd.

would love Barron or Upshaw in the first too. would be great if we could move down just a few spots because I think both would be there at around 15.

They aren't coming off both firsts. The plausible scenario I went with also gives us another third next year. Pair that with the comp pick we should get and we should have ammo to move up for a qb if one is within reach.

Richardson isn't falling to #11. I like the draft though.

We are trading down, but not sure if the Bucs will pass on Trent.

Is that the value of trading down six spots? A third rounder?

And someone made the point of how we are going to be running a zone blocking scheme, and how Konz isn't the best fit for that....

I can't say that I like the Barron pick.

Do you really need to dedicate those kinds of resources to your safeties? I know the position is more important than it used to be, but it's not like they're allowed to go hunting much any more. I like the idea of moving Berry over to the FS, but I just don't think it's worth a 1st rounder to do it. And ultimately, if you're going to draft Konz, why not draft DeCastro instead and slide Hudson to the C? I think your line is far better off for it.

Ultimately thought, I'd prefer Brockers at that spot and Ta'amu w/ the 2nd rounder. Suddenly our D-Line would be legitimately dangerous. That's the way to deal with the passing game these days, IMO. Not through multiple high-value safeties. That frees up the 3rd rounder for a young RB or perhaps that's where you get your SS. I like the Charles pick and am ultimately lukewarm on the others. Blah blah, Iowa, blah.

LSU Safety Brandon Taylor anyone?

George Iloka anyone?

That's who I was thinking but couldn't remember his name.

DeCastro/Brockers
Ta'amu
Taylor

is a significantly better 1-3 than

Barron
Konz
Chapman

IMO. You end up with a better NT as well as a better interior lineman (should you choose to go that route) all for the cost of a step down at SS. That's a trade I'll make every single time.

How do you know unless you have spent time in the locker room and around the players?

I think Barron going at 17 is a little high. He's coming off of double hernia surgery recently and that should be considered when drafting a first round pick. The first rounder should make an immediate impact. I haven't heard a recent prognosis on his health since the surgery, but I'm a little weary without an update.

That is what I was wondering?

Will Chapman really still be there in the third, let alone the fourth as mentioned?

You should get a nap then.

:)

I think some of his other injury issues may be a concern but not the hernia. That's a pretty routine surgery these days. Unless there is some congenital defect that makes him prone to them, it doesn't seem like much of a concern to me.

Understood, but he was never lightning fast in the first place, a smart team would be thorough and know the status before pulling the trigger for a first rounder. I didn't say he should be eliminated from the conversation, but surely, a recent surgery should be taken into consideration for a team's first pick.

Man as I recall Berry got beat a lot by TE when he was in coverage. I don't think putting Berry in coverage is where he will strive.

You bet he was. As a rookie.

Peyton Manning was a shitty QB as a rookie.

These things happen.

Brockers? Decastro?

You have got to be ****ing joking.

We have Bailey, Dorsey and Jackson...where would you squeeze Brockers in there?

A guard? I don't care if he shoots lightening bolts out of his arse, NO GUARD AT 11.

BTW every guy on nfln today said Barron solidified himself as a top 15 pick at his proday. Said he is the best safety since Eric Berry.

Brockers has the potential to be elite. He plays with a super high motor. If he practices the same way, Crennel could get him to reach his Seymour potential. I also doubt we will retain Dorsey and Brockers is a prototypical 5-tech.

I should have prefaced that post by saying I really like Brockers.

It's just that Jackson is growing into a difference making LDE for our 30 front and Bailey may well be a beast in the makings...he was very impressive towards the end of last year. Dorsey may well leave after this year, but who knows what happens between now and then.

Tanehill
Pass rusher
Richardson
Barron

I'd take any of these guys before Decastro or Brockers, but I guess I can see why Zpioli would think differently.

One things for sure, if I'm Peyton Manning and see our defense adding Barron...I'm kicking myself for hanging up on KC.

I'm just not sure we need another safety that high. I like Barron a ton, but I'd more willing to give Lewis a chance.

Although, I do like putting Barron at SS and Berry at FS, but I think we could also find another safety later in the draft that could do that.

Again, I'm fine with Barron but I think I would rather take one of the passrushers. I know Decastro is a guard but if he's elite, I could get a little more ok with it. Still, thats tough to spend a pick that high on a guard.


If only Tannehill would fall to us.

Yeah and Berry missed all of his 2cd season so he didn't get that experience. This will be his 2cd season of playing experience.

I like it overall.

Charles in the third is a solid pick, but I think that Boss is somewhat undervalued as a receiver.

He isn't in the same class as Graham's and Gronkowski's, but he's a reliable target over the middle who has that old school toughness to get you those tough yards.

He's the Mark Bavarro type.

Prater in the 5th round would be a steal. The guy will be a starter in the league for someone. I don't think we draft Barron.

I know a 3rd or 4th on another tight end is quite a large investment, but Moeaki just can't seem to stay healthy. The Charles pick gives us the ability to still run effective 2 tight sets if Moeaki can't shake the injury prone label and if Moeaki does do so, it gives us the ability to attck in the red zone in ways not too many teams can match up to. Moeaki and Chalres can line up a lot of different places than just as in line blockers and when you have Bowe, Charles, Moeaki, Baldwin,Boss, J Charles and Hillis as weapons to mix and match with in the red zone...it will absolutely keep defensive coordinators up at night.

Prater would be a steal anywhere after the late second.

If he falls to us in the middle rounds, he would be a fantasic pick.

To get him in the 5th would be straight up raping talent.

He is a good player.

You don't see the irony in saying that drafting the best guard since Steve Hutchinson is absurd but taking the best safety since Eric Berry (who we happen to have on the roster) is brilliant, eh?

Neither one of them are that high on the positional value chart. And frankly, taking a second safety with a pick that high greatly dilutes its value even further. If we didn't have Berry back there already, we'd talk - but we do.

Taking a 2nd high-value safety isn't any more of a waste of 'positional value' than taking a potential superstar guard. And NFL GMs agree; look at the contract Nicks and Grubbs just got. Guards are going for more than RTs right now and few people would've had a problem taking Martin or Rief at 11.

Guards aren't crap positions; they're very valuable and the market is reflecting that.

Further - Jackson is a year away from getting released due to his cap hit if he doesn't take massive strides and Dorsey's gone either way, IMO. Sure, Bailey could develop into a force - but so could Brockers. If Brockers and Bailey both played to their physical ability, the bookends on this team would be otherwordly. Brockers isn't ready to play this season anyway (redshirt Soph); he'd need more time to develop. Dorsey can give us that this year, Jackson probably could the year after. Additionally, with the number of sub-packages that Romeo plays, if Brockers develops, he can move inside and dominate as an under-tackle on passing downs, even if we retain Jackson.

Pretty good take Dj.


I think Jackson will restructure and he's pretty much the ideal 5 tech for our scheme. I'd like to see him develop a pass rush but who knows.

Like I said I can dig the Barron pick, but comparing him to Berry is just silly. Berry was one of the most complete safeties in recent memory. Maybe the greatest safety prospect ever along with Sean Taylor. Barron has a chance to be great but not sure I would of even taken him over Earl Thomas

I agree that you made valid points. Noted.

I could probably make a legit case that superstar safeties are as valuable in today's NFL (new CBA and passing rules) as any other player on a 3-4 defense with the obvious exclusion of rushbacker.

With Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning in our division as well as the evolving of today's passing games...having two safeties that are both dual threats could impact all facets of this defense and make it truly scary.

I can also seeyour point of how a similar stance could be taken with Decastro rounding out what could be a phenomenal offensive line. He is also a dual threat player that can excell in all facets of his responsibilities that he would have here.

With the way the game is played nowadays, there is definitely a power shift in the way each position is looked at in terms of value.

At Barrons pro day, they compared him to Berry quite a bit.

They all agreed Berry was in another atmosphere because he could probably play corner, but agreed that Barron solidified himself as a top 15 pick.

See folks - this is how you do reasoned disagreement.

The bottom line is that we should probably hope someone like Coples slides and a 4-3 team desperately wants to move up for him. There are about 5 players that I'd be just fine with taking at that spot (though, to be honest, Barron still isn't one of them in my eyes). When all 5 of them are about of equal value, there's no sense in getting first dibs if you can get more picks for going last.

This would be a very good season to be sitting around 16/17. You're not going to suffer an appreciable dropoff in talent from about 8 and likely still have a bunch of good options available to you.

I am coming around to your position on Brockers, but I can not agree with any argument that makes a case for drafting a guard in the top 15.

You make a valid point with with the observation regarding GMs and the position, but I just don't believe that those teams will be appreciably be better because of those signings.

I don't believe that DeCastro at #11 makes more of a difference than taking Molk at center in the mid rounds with Hudson remaining at guard.

I also think that people undervalue safeties in today's NFL.

The Steelers not only lose a difference maker when they lose Polamalu, but their defense suffered with the loss of Ryan Clark, as well.

Love the Barron pick. Wouls love to have Konz, and Burfict is the type of player I would draft in the final rounds every year, just to see if they can get their heads on straight. Especially with the type of leadership we have.
If he pans out, it's like hitting the lottery if he doesn't...who gives a shit.

Barron is a huge question mark.

He's had physical issues and is coming off a repair job.

He also has a misdemeanor arrest on his record from his freshman year.

Prior to this past season, he was viewed by most people as a third round prospect as he struggled against the pass and was primarily a run support type of safety.

He's no where close to a Berry level player and is being up-valued due to a lack of depth at the safety position in the draft.

Spending a first rounder on Barron would be a near catastrophic waste.

Finally someone makes a reasonable post.

DeQuan Menzie does interest me, however. As does Brandon Taylor. This position does need to be addressed and I bet its one of the two or maybe a darkhorse

It would have been helpful if you would have included their positions and schools next to their names. Not hating, I love reading this stuff and thanks for everyone that takes the time to do it. But not all of us watch the college game like the NFL so we don't know wtf half these guys are? Lol

Not a sexy draft, but rock-solid from top to bottom.
This would be the kind of draft you pat yourself on the back for in 4 years.

I don't think people are giving Barron, or the safety position the respect it deserves.
It is a much higher positional value than G, and Barron is a top flight SS.

Barron is injury prone, and I think he's pretty much maxed-out. I've seen him play in person a whole bunch, and I'd be wary of taking him in the early 1st.

Has he had any injuries other than the Hernias? That is not considered injury prone if not.

According to Mark, he has played the last two seasons with the double hernia.

If he is "injury prone" he is also "tough as nails"

His other two injuries are both things that happen in the game to EVERY GOOD SAFETY EVER.

The dude is gonna be a very good player and I'd love to have him and Berry as our safeties in today's NFL.

Good draft dude, just like you said. Take out the fifth, add T.Y Hilton and an OT in there somewhere late for depth and its a done deal.

I drafted Hilton in the cp mock, actually.

I don't think we have a way to use him in KC, though.

Trust me on Prater, dude.

If he falls to that point of the draft he would be a huge steal because he will be a starter in the NFL.

I didn't even realize that I failed to draft a depth LT though.

Hilton can be a slot/ return guy and be a great great one. We really could use some wr depth too.

I'm on board with this one BossMan! Especially your first 3 picks! I just got convinced a few days ago what Barron could do for our defense, or I would have been on board much earlier.

Now for the bad news. They hardly ever pick who I want.

Those first four picks are potentially all first round talent. That would be a great haul.

And on TY boss, we need a burner for when Stanzi lights shit on fire.

Hilton is McCluster but not quite as versatile, IMO.

I don't think we have a need for him.

Like I said, take my word for it on Prater.

Maybe so.


Still, a good draft though. I think we need some oline depth somewhere, but that could be found later in the draft.


First four rounds couldn't fall better.

I am of the opinion that we have plenty of speed in our wide receiver corps.

Baldwin can fly and is deceptively fast because of his size.

Breaston has enough speed to separate and runs sharp enough routes to also hit em deep.

Most just dont see it because Cassel/Palko couldn't get them the ball on anything over 10 yards.

Stanzi and Tannehill, please.

There's also his repeatedly-hurt shoulder...

... that shoulder injury + his "tough as nails" attitude towards injuries, cost Alabama the Iron Bowl against undefeated Auburn. Dude was in perfect position for a game-clinching interception, but he physically couldn't bring his arms up to catch the pass from Cam Newton.


Barron bring a lot of positive attributes. I'm just wary about spending a first rounder on him.

I'd honestly rather roll the dice with someone like Brandon Hardin who's projected to go in the 4th than dropping a 1st on Barron if we're looking to address the position.

I usually don't put a lot of stock in the numbers at the combine, but when somebody bombs it like Charles did, its hard not to overlook. He did great in the bench, but chose not to run, made mistakes in the drills and dropped balls. He also had a dui in March. Guy's stock is falling.