It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...
 

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

• The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
• At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
• The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
• Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
• Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

FTR

Charles
Hillis
Bowe
Baldwin
Wright
Breaston
McCluster
Moeaki
Boss

Just saying.

I do like Wright, but again, I think there are guys later that can do the same thing he does.


One of the two slot guys from Arkansas come to mind. Ty Hilton, etc.


This is the craziest spot I remember the Chiefs being in, with regards to a first round pick.

Both the Arkansas guys, to my mind, are slot guys.

Hilton is more akin to what Wright does, an outside deep threat. And he offers a similar skill set.

He doesn't offer four years in a BCS conference and Wright's leadership abilities, however.

All true.



I just don't think they will be looking for much more than a pure speed deep threat, if they look at all.

I really like Hilton in the 3 or 4. He brings alot of talent.

Who's going to throw him the ball? Cassel can't throw a deep ball for shit.

Stanzi can!!!

Two playmakers I'm really high on are Doug Martin and Ryan Broyles. Doug Martin is almost like Ray Rice 2.0 and Ryan Broyles is perfect for a slot receiver.

I think we might have some nice leverage at our spot for a trade down. Mevlin Ingram and Luke Kuechly are both getting slotted to the Seahawks a lot.

But if not I would love a
1. Kuechly
2. Martin
3. Chapman
4. Broyles

the old tried and true Matt Millen approach to building a team...no thanks

Cassel can't hit the broad side of an ocean if it ran 4.4....it's like buying erkel an EXTRA hooker...he's still explaining WOW to the first one

agree about DeCastro, obviously, and have said so for awhile...

I think the Chiefs will draft a WR but I seriously doubt it will be in the first two rounds.

Saints drafted Robert Meachum in the first when they didn't need a WR.

Packers drafted Randall Cobb last year in the 2nd when they didn't need a WR.

Is there any chance you'd argue either of those were poor selections?

Build the offense you need to win a championship. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright is a championship caliber WR corps.

If the QB can't play in that offense, get a new QB.

Like Brandon Weeden in the second.

Couldn't resist.

the outside running game is mostly fine


the inside running game has sucked ass and costs us in short yardage all the time. It didn't matter who ran the ball up the middle Jones,McClain,Battle,DMC ... it sucked.

which is what Decastro would be drafted to fix.

I think T.Y is this years Cobb.


Wouldn't be upset if he came in the 3 or even 2.

I'm talking about 1 round picks, obviously

second, is there any chance you're seriously comparing their QB situations to ours?...which again, is obviously the point

The inside running game sucked with Jackie Battle and Thomas Jones, running behind Casey Wiegmann and Ryan Lilja.

Peyton Hillis and somebody like Robert Turbin in the 4th round? Running behind Rodney Hudson and Jon Asamoah?

Should not be an issue worth spending a 1st to repair.

we can pick up a WR any year, we already have 2 first round picks at the position...and Weeden is a 40 year old dweeb

We do have a shitty situation at qb, but you can't or well shouldn't draft because of that. Build the team so someone can hopefully fall into the qb spot and be surrounded with elite talent.


ALA Stanzi.

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

Yeah, but you can never have too much.


Besides I'm talking about using a 3 or 4 round pick on a guy, not a first. Hell the guy I want is projected to be a 4 or 5 rounder.

The Saints drafted Meachem when it was just Devery Henderson and Marques Colston at the position. The #3 WR slot was occupied by a broke dick Joe Horn and *huuuuuuhhhp* TERRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCE..... COOOOOOOOOOOPPEEEEEEERRRRRRR

Drafting Meachem made sense from the perspective that they needed another WR in a 3-WR attack formation, since that team loved to chuck the ball around. Sure enough, Joe Horn retired the next year, and Copper couldn't always be bothered to use his talents for the team. Meachem was a smart pick.

Same with the Packers, who needed electricity in the kick return game as well as a more "gadgety" WR who would hopefully develop into a more reliable threat than James Jones, who still tends to sit in McCarthy's doghouse quite often.

That said, if the Chiefs were to trade #11 to NE for #27 and #31 (cross thread comment), I would have a really hard time passing on Stephen Hill if he were there.




(yes, I'm talking to myself. What of it? :harumph:)

Holy shit...

Focus dude.

Meh, we already have a 6'4 receiver who isn't the best route runner. Too similar of a player to Bowe and Baldwin already

Way faster than either, though. I wouldn't mind a large receiver that can also stretch the field.

It seems to me that Pioli has shows a tendency to fill offensive needs with veteran free agents and defensive needs through the draft. This says to me that offense is predicated on scheme, which requires guys knowing their job and executing, while the key to great defense starts with athleticism.

How many offensive weapons are there that lack speed, size, strength? Hines Ward, Wes Welker, Priest Holmes, Casey Wiegmann come immediately to mind. But I cannot think of great defenders that aren't tremendous athletes. You rarely hear about that linebacker who is slow and small, but just has a nose for the ball. Those guys get invited to training camp, but not the pro bowl.

I'm with you on Kuechly or Brockers.

If we are gonna let Bowe walk, we NEED to spend a second or third on Marvin McNutt in the 2012 draft.

Then, when we move on to RS he will have an already built in set of targets he trusts in Moeaki and McNutt.

All in all though, Carr walking is somewhat justified but letting a guy like Bowe walk would be inexcusable unless he is demanding Fitzgerald money and nothing less (which is not the case)

Here is the WR I am intriged with for a late round pick (we were one of the teams at his pro day too)...

WR Dale Moss has outstanding straight-line speed, but his three-cone time is what will really get NFL scouts' attention (courtesy of KSFY)

A deep third-day NFL draft crop of wide receivers got even deeper on Thursday, as South Dakota State wide receiver Dale Moss put up a set of numbers that might have even topped Stephen Hill's combine performance if Moss had done it in Indianapolis.

The 6'3", 213-pound receiver ran a 4.45 40-yard dash, according to the Yankton Daily Press & Dakotan, and Scout.com's Aaron Wilson reported that some scouts timed Moss as fast as 4.38. Those numbers would be impressive enough, but the YDP&D also gives us these astounding results:

An eye-popping 41.5 inches in the vertical jump, 10-feet-10 in the broad jump, and a 6.32 in the 3-cone drill.

As the article points out, the vertical would have been the second best at any position, and three-cone would have been the best.

The three-cone drill tests lateral agility, which is crucial for wide receivers who want to create separation from defensive backs by having crisp and sudden breaks in their routes. Shorter players usually ace it, and long-limbed receivers like Moss usually struggle a bit because of their body type (which is an advantage when comes time to haul in a pass).

For comparison's sake, the fastest three-cone time at the combine was Florida WR/RB Chris Rainey, who is 5'8" and 180 pounds.

Moss clearly inherited some of the genes that helped his uncle, Johnny Rodgers, win the Heisman Trophy with Nebraska in 1972. Moss was actually a basketball player at SDSU, but he had an extra year of athletic eligibility because he played as a true freshman.

In that one year, Moss caught 61 passes for 949 yards and six touchdowns. Wilson reports that 10 teams were in attendance, but all 32 will be hearing about this performance and thinking about placing a bet on the third day that Moss is the next small-school wonder at wide receiver.

If we are going with a late round wr, give my TY Hilton.

He is 5-10 175

Check out the numbers on Moss

6-3 213 on top of those numbers. 3 cone drill of 6.32 is reported to be one of the fastest of all time, not just this year.

i'm all for taking a WR or RB in later rounds

Moss is big and fast, I really like that.


I like T.Y though in that he can help the return game as well as be a blazer slot guy.

Okay. I'll bite. After taking a first team All-American guard in 2010 in the third round (Asamoah) and a first team All-American guard in 2011 in the second round (Hudson), you are probably not going out on a limb too much by saying that they are not going to burn a first rounder on yet another first team All-American guard in 2012. And with both Harris and Lilja on the roster, the DeCastro pick is a tad bit redundant, don't you think?

Barron has had two relatively important surgeries (torn pec and double hernia) as well as an arrest on his record. He is not what they are looking for after drafting Lewis in 2010 and Berry in 2011, nor what Pioli loves in a prospect.

Brockers is what he loves though.

I think it was a cursory look and nothing more. You have to make sure that you do your homework on players.

There is more of a need for an offensive tackle on this team than there is a defensive end. What happens if either Albert or Winston gets injured? Who's the depth at that position? What happens if Albert decides to go the free agent route after next year? At least at defensive end, we have Bailey and Bair. There is no one on the roster behind the starters at offensive tackle.

Not a snowballs chance in hell.

There were rumors that the Chiefs really wanted Nate Solder last year. I think that they take a hard look at the position again.

In my personal opinion, this is what the Chiefs "big board" looks like:

1. Melvin Ingram, LB/DE/DT; South Carolina
- Originally was an ILB for the Gamecocks, but was used at every position along the defensive front seven. His versatility and athleticism is almost unmatched in this draft.

2. Riley Reiff, OT; Iowa
- I'm not completely sold on him, but we've drafted Hawkeye's in both of the past two drafts. Very solid technician who could play four positions on the line.

3. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU
- Absolute prototype for the 34 DE spot and perfect nose for the passing downs. SEC.

4. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB; Alabama
- Junior, but three year starter. Long and athletic. Could also play third safety in passing downs that Crennel likes to run.

5. Jon Martin, OT; Stanford
- I like better than Reiff due to his better usable strength and length.

I don't think I'd not take a DE because of Bair. I think we look at one somewhere in this draft.


I really don't know who's at the top of the board. You can build up depth and one spot or another.

the chiefs have been looking for a mid-round tackle for a couple of years...we've had teams trade up over us to draft tackles each of the last two years, i think...

Baltimore (?) jumped us in the 3rd for a guy from South Florida

I just don't think they will draft OL in the first this year..

I think we probably go after OL pretty heavy in the middle of this draft.

ROFL @ sac still calling for ot

I wonder if Massie is still on the board at #44 if we may not consider him? Most likely he will be gone, but I have seen a few mocks where he is right in that range.

Laugh all you want.

Who's the third tackle on this team?

Who's playing either tackle spot if Albert or Winston get injured?

Who's in the fold if someone gives Albert a Carr like contract, we let him go or he just walks after the 2012 season?

People seem to be fine mentioning OLB, ILB, DE, NT guys (e.g., Ingram/Mercilus; Kuechly/Hightower; Brockers/Still; Poe/Ta'amu respectively) for that first pick, but we have some depth at those positions, but it's not okay for OT? K. Shit...people around here want DeCastro, and we are freaking loaded at guard. Four deep with all of them being solid players.

How are you on DeCastro, btw? I think I'll go search around and see if you've advocated him in this draft. With Hudson, Asamoah, Lilja and Harris on the roster, I'd like to see who is wanting DeCastro with the #11 pick. Let's find out who the truly ****ing stupid people are around here.

Massie isn't very good. He's a pure right tackle that simply has relied on his size/strength to this point. He's technically/fundamentally flawed on most of his game. Major project that might never get it.

Not really too different from '09 when we took Tyson Jackson at #3. Our needs didn't match the value of the #3, and there wasn't much talent at the top of that draft anywhere else.

All the things you say here apply even moreso to ILB, QB, S, or OLB.

One injury and we're ****ed at those positions.

ROFL so we should take reef or Martin?

Hmog

Wait we're talking about offensive tackles now? Quick! Flash the Sac Signal!

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ILB, OLB, S, OL are the areas I expect us to really focus on in this draft. DL maybe too.

Damn. Matt's been feasting on too many free-range cattle out in Utah in that last photo. That there's a biiiiiiiig ass

Ever see Levy Adcock tape?

Guy's a plodder, but he's got this big gut... barely looks like a football athlete.

we do need a tackle...but a tackle isn't going to play, barring injury

a DE or OLB is going to get some snaps based on rotations and situational packages...

which is why I think they'll grab the tackle later, imo

This is the best ass picture I could find of him. Which I was just browsing in a non-gay way

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A.J. Jenkins?

Asamoah is pretty weak in the run game so far.

So what, Tannehill? Need is a terrible evaluator.

a qb over a guard or a 4th WR, in the first round?

yes

Seriously?? Wright over Malcolm Floyd?? Hope not, that's a huge reach at 11. Floyd should be available at 11 and is a better prospect and has more proto-typical size. I consider Wright a big reach at 11.

I'll betcha anything the Bills take Floyd at 10. Gailey needs to make headlines and get something going, and he can't do that if he drafts a fatty.

I've got them taking Riley Reiff at 10. Gailey knows the value of a LT and Reiff at 10 is a damn good value.

I've got Floyd going to the Jets at 16.

The quarterback position - not so much. Quinn is at least even with Cassel. Stanzi? Who knows. He could be good. Pioli has talked him up recently (mentioned him favorably at the combine). We don't have Joe Montana in his prime, but neither does any other team.

OLB we have Sheffield and Studebaker, both of whom have experience playing the position at the NFL level.

ILB has Siler and Greenwood.

Safety? That's a concern spot and we'll probably look at that in this draft, though Brown or Washington could fill in in a pinch.

Tackle? Yeah, there is nobody after Albert and Winston. No one. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

And still people think we should draft DeCastro when guard is the deepest position on this team.

There you go.

In all honesty, I'd much rather have Matt Reynolds in the fourth than Reiff or Martin in the first. He's as good as either of them.

Mimms is just as good of depth as a ot as any of those guys you listed as depth for our other positions.

Calling for Reiff or Martin in the first round for us is sac level dumbassery in regards to line play.

Seriously man, you are a good poster WHEN YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT OFFENSIVE LINES.

When you do, you paint yourself as a fool that I don't think you are at all.

It's a shame, really.

Mimms? Are you freaking kidding? He was a rook last year that was on the practice squad. He's 6'8" and 360 lbs. If he is even half-assed effective in a zone scheme I'll eat my hat. As good as depth as guys who have actual game time in this system?

Mimms? That's the guy you are hanging your argument on? Really?

From the guy who wants Tannehill (1 1/2 years as a starter after being converted to wide receiver in a total gimmick spread system) or Mark Barron (torn pec repair, double hernia repair, arrest who was no better than a third rounder to start the 2011 season).

That's your first round wish list?

Talk about dumbassery.

At OLB, if we lose Tamba, we lose 14 sacks. No way Sheffield and Studebaker combine to replace that. Not including pressures, fumbles, etc. ILB is a nightmare if DJ goes down. My only reasoning for taking Kuechly is an insurance policy for Johnson. Because if he gets injured, we have nobody who can come close to doing what he does for our team defensively. There would definitely be a drop off with Kuechly playing instead of DJ, but it would be close to what we saw last year when Berry got hurt.
At Safety, we have nobody. However, its pretty much assumed we'll certainly address that via the draft.
At tackle, yes. There is certainly a liability behind Winston/Albert. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting one in the 4th-7th rounds. I personally wouldn't burn a high pick on it, but that's me.

Would love to see us pick him up. Actually, I think receiver is the deepest position in this years draft by far. You have plenty of guys who can contribute as possession guys that will be available in the mid-late rounds, like McNutt, Fuller, Criner, Sanau. Then slot guys like Adams, Broyles, Hilton. You obviously have the 3 imo that can do it all in Blackmon, Floyd, and Wright. You also have the pure deep threats, which consists of Hill, Jenkins, Childs, and to some Jeffery/Randle. Seems to me there are multiple guys who will be able to contribute immediately on offense or on special teams.

If you're going to be taking a player as an "insurance policy"....you take the OLB...not the ILB.

Agreed. I'm just trying to figure out some reasoning for us taking Kuechly. Don't really want him. However, I do think our defense will struggle without DJ.

Careful, Sac.

Don't fall into the Drafturbator tactic of just shitting on people you disagree with. Especially when you refuse to admit you're wrong, as you've been want to do.

Hamas in exile along with Dane and Mecca's exodus from this board has made this one of the most civil draft seasons in CP history.

Maybe, but a lot of the fun is gone too. And not just because of where we pick and who's available...

Go **** yourself

That's the spirit!!

A running back to prop up Cassel before a guard to protect him
Richardson's tag is too rich to pay

and most boring...

I'm not saying it's better. I love what Hamas and Mecca bring to the table. Dane was more performance art than anything.

But I don't need a flamewar to make my life interesting. You guys apparently do.

After reading and watching clips, I think I'd rather take Hightower. If i'm taking an ILB.

Get AIDS, True Fan.

Go shove a shotgun up your ass and blow off the top of your head.

Wake up naked in a briar patch with a tranny
Thomas Jones apologist

yea! An AIDS briar patch!

He started it.

He's the one who started mentioning "dumbassery" and all that stuff.

Can I help it if he's a goat raping, ball licking sack of stupid that should have his pants pulled down and his dick grated with a micro-planar?

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If by "civil" you mean "an atmosphere that allows me to post innumerable threads that no one challenges because the subforum is so boring now" then you nailed it, Direckshun.

You are citing guys like Greenwood, Siler, Sheffield, Studebaker and others as reasons we should take another OT and you think its fun to throw stones when you live in that crazy world of Okung and the magical Reiff?

Rich
Tannehill has similar experience in college to guys like:

Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Tom Brady
Cam Newton
Mark Sanchez (even though he isnt exactly the guy I would hang this argument on)

At quarterback, you can either ply the position or you cant.

Tannehill has the tools and work ethic to be considered a possible 3rd overall selection.

If your return argument is that "he is just being propped up by the weak class of quarterbacks" then, why isn't anyone else seemingly soaring up charts?

Saying Mark Barron was only a third rounder prior to this year isnt exactly telling it how it is, either.

His stock went up, sure....but he was always thought of as a high second rounder prior to this last year where he played a lot more in coverage and faired quite well, showing that he is a true dual threat safety and those are worth their weight in gold in todays NFL.