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petegz28 04-17-2012 06:08 PM

This season could be about Peyton.....Hillis that is
 
JC will be back along with T-Mo and Berry. Houston and Baldwin have a year under their belts and Winston will be wearing Chiefs red on Sunday's.


The difference this year is we have a power back that can actually produce. 6'2", 250 and half psyco.

3rd and short suddenly has become the best friend for the Chiefs where in the past few years it was their worst enemy.

If he can revert to 2010 form the Chiefs will pack one of the best backfields in the league and now they have lineman that can actually block.

Whether you start JC or not (and we should), a heavy dose of the other Peyton could be what this team has lacked. A power back that can truly wear down the interior of a defense. A bck who can power for the short yardage even when the blocking is stuffed.

This gives the Chiefs a better opportunity to win doing what they are best at doing...dink-dunk the ball. Longer posession times will spell longer rest times for the H-J-H pass rush.

And longer posession times mean longer stints of opposing defenses chasing one of the best RB's in the league all over the field then tackling a freight train late in the games.

Hillis could end up being one of the best FA signings this team has made offensively next to Winston.

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Hammock Parties 04-17-2012 06:10 PM

a pete thread appears

RealSNR 04-17-2012 06:11 PM

It could also be about Rashard Langford.

YA NEVER KNOW

KC_Lee 04-17-2012 06:15 PM

I have this sneaking suspicion that our offense this year will be so run heavy that it will make Marty-ball look like the run and shoot.

Rausch 04-17-2012 06:17 PM

For the first time in a long time we are a team without a T0dd.

I am disappoint...

Rausch 04-17-2012 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 8549512)
I have this sneaking suspicion that our offense this year will be so run heavy that it will make Marty-ball look like the run and shoot.

You know how they say some people have a face for radio?

Well, we have a QB for Martyball...

Deberg_1990 04-17-2012 06:19 PM

I'm racist. I don't like white running backs

petegz28 04-17-2012 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 8549512)
I have this sneaking suspicion that our offense this year will be so run heavy that it will make Marty-ball look like the run and shoot.

I don't know if that could ever happen. That being said the thing I like about Hillis is he can go inside and he can get the edge and he can receive. The whole thing will land on the shoulders of Dabol and his willingness or lack thereof to call the playaction pass. Screens should be there all year with Winston on the line now.

I just think we now have a legit backfield like we haven't had in a long time. JC is all-world we know that but now we actually have someone who can spell him and gaing more than 0 yards per carry. Hillis has also shown he can power ahead for the short yardage and goal line situations even when the blocking isn't there.

It's just nice to think that when JC takes a rest we don't drop off but rather now have the ability to still attack.

KC_Lee 04-17-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8549523)
You know how they say some people have a face for radio?

Well, we have a QB for Martyball...

:clap: Bravo Sir, bravo! :clap:

Mr. Laz 04-17-2012 06:22 PM

not if he gets hit 2/3 yards deep like ALL the RB's did last year.

RealSNR 04-17-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8549519)
For the first time in a long time we are a team without a T0dd.

I am disappoint...

Remember when we had Todd Sauerbrun, Todd Peterson, AND Todd Collins in one year?

Those were the days...

listopencil 04-17-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8549531)
not if he gets hit 2/3 yards deep like ALL the RB's did last year.

In the past I've seen Hillis get hit behind the LOS and just power through guys. It was pretty impressive. I have no idea what he's got left in the tank, but he certainly had reerun strength at one point.

petegz28 04-17-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 8549544)
In the past I've seen Hillis get hit behind the LOS and just power through guys. It was pretty impressive. I have no idea what he's got left in the tank, but he certainly had reerun strength at one point.

Yeah I don't see him going down from arm tackles the way TJ and Battle would.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8549551)
Yeah I don't see him going down from arm tackles the way TJ and Battle would.

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Rausch 04-17-2012 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 8549544)
In the past I've seen Hillis get hit behind the LOS and just power through guys. It was pretty impressive. I have no idea what he's got left in the tank, but he certainly had reerun strength at one point.

We've got the reerun play calling to find out...

petegz28 04-17-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8549552)
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Okie_Apparition 04-17-2012 06:36 PM

Can he chuck one up to Cassel so we can see Rhonde Barber burned again
I think he's a safety now

Hammock Parties 04-17-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8549554)
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Who goes down to arm tackles the easiest on our roster?

petegz28 04-17-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8549572)
Who goes down to arm tackles the easiest on our roster?

I assume you are talking about Dex? Despite Haley running him up the middle constantly I don't recall him ever being sold as a power back. It's one thing for a 5'7" 170lb guy to go down with arm tackles. It's another when your alleged "power backs" go down the same.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8549582)
I assume you are talking about Dex? Despite Haley running him up the middle constantly I don't recall him ever being sold as a power back. It's one thing for a 5'7" 170lb guy to go down with arm tackles. It's another when your alleged "power backs" go down the same.

Dex sucks as bad as TJ and Battle.

Jamaal Charles doesn't go down to arm tackles all the time. Running backs who do, whatever their size, suck.

ChiefMojo 04-17-2012 06:54 PM

Well the hope is we don't have to run Dex much. Charles, Hillis and possibly whomever we draft (hope another bigger back).

I long for the days of having a Christian Okoye running over fools again (luckily Steve Atwater no longer plays). Hopefully Hillis is 100% physically/mentality.

petegz28 04-17-2012 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 8549632)
Well the hope is we don't have to run Dex much. Charles, Hillis and possibly whomever we draft (hope another bigger back).

I long for the days of having a Christian Okoye running over fools again (luckily Steve Atwater no longer plays). Hopefully Hillis is 100% physically/mentality.

Not sure I want the 100% mental. I think a little whacko might be good for him.

Rukdafaidas 04-17-2012 07:15 PM

What worries me is that both Charles and Hillis tend to fumble quite a bit.

petegz28 04-17-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas (Post 8549697)
What worries me is that both Charles and Hillis tend to fumble quite a bit.

Gotta take the bad with the good I guess

O.city 04-17-2012 07:17 PM

I wouldn't be upset one if we were to trade back in the draft, draft Konz later in the first and Doug Martin in the early second.

DTLB58 04-17-2012 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8549481)
JC will be back along with T-Mo and Berry. Houston and Baldwin have a year under their belts and Winston will be wearing Chiefs red on Sunday's.


The difference this year is we have a power back that can actually produce. 6'2", 250 and half psyco.

3rd and short suddenly has become the best friend for the Chiefs where in the past few years it was their worst enemy.

If he can revert to 2010 form the Chiefs will pack one of the best backfields in the league and now they have lineman that can actually block.

Whether you start JC or not (and we should), a heavy dose of the other Peyton could be what this team has lacked. A power back that can truly wear down the interior of a defense. A bck who can power for the short yardage even when the blocking is stuffed.

This gives the Chiefs a better opportunity to win doing what they are best at doing...dink-dunk the ball. Longer posession times will spell longer rest times for the H-J-H pass rush.

And longer posession times mean longer stints of opposing defenses chasing one of the best RB's in the league all over the field then tackling a freight train late in the games.

Hillis could end up being one of the best FA signings this team has made offensively next to Winston.

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We as fans waited for how long to get some talent at WR with the killers B's not to mention two pretty talented TE's and we are talking smash mouth football! :cuss:
I wish somebody, anybody would FIX the damn QB position!

pr_capone 04-17-2012 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8549703)
I wouldn't be upset one if we were to trade back in the draft, draft Konz later in the first and Doug Martin in the early second.

Dunno bout Martin but definitely on board with the Konz pick.

DTLB58 04-17-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8549703)
I wouldn't be upset one if we were to trade back in the draft, draft Konz later in the first and Doug Martin in the early second.

I know I'm gonna get LJ/Holmes thrown in my face but is RB really what this team needs in the early second, with Charles, Hillis and McCluster on the roster? There are already plenty of options/weapons to work with. If this team can't average consistently in the 20's points scored with these players already on the roster......Well, they will need a new QB :D

They need D! Pass rushers, a valid NT, legit ILB next to DJ and a Safety.

Rausch 04-17-2012 08:16 PM

I'm not in love with this signing but when you look at the huge difference between Battle/2 Yard Thomas and Charles/Hillis you have to get excited.

We're talking about 2 former pro bowl level HB's replacing two complete scrubs.

Plus one of the 5 best RT's in the game replacing one of the 5 worst...

O.city 04-17-2012 08:42 PM

Martin is being compared to Ray Rice. If you can get Ray Rice in the second, you do it.

Direckshun 04-17-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8549494)
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BossChief 04-17-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8549531)
not if he gets hit 2/3 yards deep like ALL the RB's did last year.

that was due to a couple factors that no longer exist, though.

Nobody but Dexter had the physical ability to run anything but power runs.

Jones
Battle
McClain

Opposing defenses knew there no threat of stretch runs, toss plays or other runs that require speed.

When that's the case, it doesn't take much post snap info to blow the play up. Especially when there is loads and loads of tape telling the same story week in and week out.

What compounded the problem was the size (or lack thereof) of Weigmann and Lilja mixed with the limited repertoire of our running attack.

Hillis and Charles can both utilize far more running plays to force the defense to play them "honest".

Couple that with going from 280 pound Weigmann to 300 pound Hudson and possibly going from 285 pound Lilja to a larger guard and all of a sudden a glaring weakness turns into strength that defenses are forced to try and prepare for and limit. I think more times than not, we will het the edge in the run game.

O.city 04-17-2012 09:53 PM

Or a 6"5 330 pound Konz, with Hudson and Asamoah on his sides?

listopencil 04-18-2012 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8549525)
I'm racist. I don't like white running backs

One of the more bizarre things I've seen in football forums is the whole "White people only like Hillis because he's white" crap. If you actually watched the guy when he was effective, he was tough as hell to take down. It's fun to to watch someone run the ball like that.

BossChief 04-18-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 8550561)
One of the more bizarre things I've seen in football forums is the whole "White people only like Hillis because he's white" crap. If you actually watched the guy when he was effective, he was tough as hell to take down. It's fun to to watch someone run the ball like that.

Especially when they're white.

Amirite?

listopencil 04-18-2012 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8550566)
Especially when they're white.

Amirite?

Hell yeah. When's the next Klan meeting? I gotta wash my sheet. My dumbass roommate gave himself an enema and shit all over it.

Titty Meat 04-18-2012 01:38 AM

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jspchief 04-18-2012 02:31 AM

Our interior run blocking was shit last year, Asamoah included.

Having a RB that can break a tackle is nice, but the middle of the line has to do a better job making holes.

Okie_Apparition 04-18-2012 03:58 AM

Fullback
need Martin

TimeForWasp 04-18-2012 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas (Post 8549697)
What worries me is that both Charles and Hillis tend to fumble quite a bit.

That would be a good job for Dexter. Follow behind the running back and snag up the fumbles and run them in.

dannybcaitlyn 04-18-2012 06:08 AM

This is pretty much mute. Teams will stack the box and force the arm of cassel to beat them. Cassel gets no respect from opponents defensives . At least with Orton teams had to respect the pass. He could actually pass over twenty yards. Sad but true.

mdchiefsfan 04-18-2012 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8549523)
You know how they say some people have a face for radio?

Well, we have a QB for Martyball...

:LOL:

-King- 04-18-2012 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 8550660)
This is pretty much mute. Teams will stack the box and force the arm of cassel to beat them. Cassel gets no respect from opponents defensives . At least with Orton teams had to respect the pass. He could actually pass over twenty yards. Sad but true.

Yeah? Didn't they do the same in 2010? How did that turn out for defenses ?
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PhillyChiefFan 04-18-2012 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8550665)
Yeah? Didn't they do the same in 2010? How did that turn out for defenses ?
Posted via Mobile Device

And now we have a stud RT too

dannybcaitlyn 04-18-2012 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8550665)
Yeah? Didn't they do the same in 2010? How did that turn out for defenses ?
Posted via Mobile Device

Ask the teams that we played that had winning records that year.

qabbaan 04-18-2012 07:28 AM

What the heck?

The Bad Guy 04-18-2012 07:47 AM

Who writes story lines for their posts?

Fire Me Boy! 04-18-2012 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 8550660)
This is pretty much mute. Teams will stack the box and force the arm of cassel to beat them. Cassel gets no respect from opponents defensives . At least with Orton teams had to respect the pass. He could actually pass over twenty yards. Sad but true.

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Saulbadguy 04-18-2012 08:14 AM

I will boo him. He sucks, and he is a quitter.

dannybcaitlyn 04-18-2012 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 8550787)

Lesson learned.

bsp4444 04-18-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8549590)
Dex sucks as bad as TJ and Battle.

Jamaal Charles doesn't go down to arm tackles all the time. Running backs who do, whatever their size, suck.

Dex runs suprisingly well up the middle, but should be used as such sparingly. If he's your only option, that's a problem. He can suprise some people, though and showed that in the 2010 season.

Titty Meat 04-18-2012 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8550665)
Yeah? Didn't they do the same in 2010? How did that turn out for defenses ?
Posted via Mobile Device

Yeah most if not all those teams we defeated had defenses ranked in the 20's. How'd it work out for us in 2010 everytime we played a good defense?


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