Where does the Chiefs QB situation rank in the NFL?
 

This oughtta be good.

We've already done this once with RBs. The general consensus is that the Chiefs have a top 5 RB corps.

I'm thinking of making it a series as my interest and time allows.

Do not consider anything other than the QB talent specific to 2012. But be sure to consider contract situations and/or injuries when evaluating.

Patriots: Brady, Hoyer, Mallett
Jets: Sanchez, Tebow
Bills: Fitzpatrick, Young, Thigpen
Dolphins: Tannehill, Moore, Garrard

Steelers: Roethlisberger, Leftwich, Troy Smith, Batch
Ravens: Flacco, Painter, Tyrod Taylor
Browns: Weeden, McCoy
Bengals: Dalton, Gradkowski

Texans: Schaub, Yates, Beck
Colts: Luck, Stanton
Titans: Hasselbeck, Locker
Jaguars: Gabbert, Henne

Chargers: Rivers, Whitehurst
Broncos: Manning, Henne
Raiders: Palmer, Leinart, Pryor
Chiefs: Cassel, Quinn, Stanzi

Cowboys: Romo, Orton
Eagles: Vick, Kafka, Foles
Giants: Manning, Carr
Redskins: Griffin, Grossman, Cousins

Packers: Rodgers, Harrell
Vikings: Ponder, Rosenfels, Webb
Bears: Cutler, Campbell, McCown
Lions: Stafford, Shaun Hill, Kellen Moore

Falcons: Ryan, Chris Redman
Panthers: Newton, Derek Anderson, Clausen
Buccaneers: Freeman, Orlovsky
Saints: Brees, Daniel

Rams: Bradford, Clemens
49ers: Smith, Kaepernick
Seahawks: Flynn, Jackson, Russell Wilson
Cardinals: Kolb, Skelton

Now, of course, the exercise here seems to be: which team would you rather have the Chiefs QB corps over?

Hmmm....

#32, especially if Quinn is the #2

If Stanzi actually shows some potential we could get into the high 20s.

I'd rather have the Chiefs' trio than:

Jets: Sanchez, Tebow
Bills: Fitzpatrick, Young, Thigpen
Dolphins: Tannehill, Moore, Garrard
Browns: Weeden, McCoy
Titans: Hasselbeck, Locker
Jaguars: Gabbert, Henne
Raiders: Palmer, Leinart, Pryor
Vikings: Ponder, Rosenfels, Webb
49ers: Smith, Kaepernick
Cardinals: Kolb, Skelton

So that would, in my estimation, give us the 11th worst QB corps.

Jets
Jags
Cards

Yuck.

27th.
Better than Cardinals, Dolphins, Browns, Jaguars and Vikings.

Browns: Weeden, McCoy
Jaguars: Gabbert, Henne
Vikings: Ponder, Rosenfels, Webb
Buccaneers: Freeman, Orlovsky
49ers: Smith, Kaepernick
Seahawks: Flynn, Jackson, Russell Wilson
Cardinals: Kolb, Skelton

Here are the teams we are closest to in regards to QB situation.

I'd argue Kolb, Jackson, Smith and Freeman are better than Cassel. Guys like Kaepernick, Wilson, Ponder and McCoy are better prospects than anything we have on the roster.

We're probably not worse than the Browns or Jaguars. It's debatable. Bottom 3 or 4 is a lock, though.

One big pile of shit.

We're closest to the Jaguars. Cassel and Henne are very similar. Gabbert is shitty, but has some potential. About as much as a 5th round pick like Stanzi at this point, anyway. Don't give a **** about Quinn.

33rd

Absolute idiocy.

Sanchez and Tebow have both won playoff games.

Fitzpatrick is easily better than Cassel, Thigpen is a push.

Titans blow our starters and backups away, WTF are you smoking.

Carson Palmer is way better than Cassel, so you lose that, too.

Alex Smith's performance last year, especially in the playoffs, elevates him over Cassel, so we lose that.

Take off the rose colored glasses. Shit, I'd rather have Terrelle Pryor over Brady Quinn. I can't believe anyone thinks we have a better QB situation than Oakland.

You guys would be better off with Thigpen over Cassel. I'm serious.

I'd agree with this, and I hate Thigpen.

He's basically a shorter, more athletic version of Cassel.

The Hasselbeck/Locker thing is just mind boggling to me, DShun.

Would you trade Hasselbeck for Cassel? **** yes.

Would you trade Locker for Stanzi? **** yes.

Forget Brady Quinn. He doesn't even enter into any of these equations.

That, plus he's got a pair of testicles.

If it means Cassel is no longer a Chief, I'd take ANY OTHER group in the league.

Are you High?

We would win more games with list below

Bills: Fitzpatrick, Young, Thigpen
Dolphins: Tannehill, Moore, Garrard
Titans: Hasselbeck, Locker
Raiders: Palmer, Leinart, Pryor
49ers: Smith, Kaepernick
With Palmer or Smith this team is a SB contender.

You basically have to eliminate the Chiefs from any discussion against teams who have a better starter. That's 70-80 percent of the weight.

You really gonna try to tell me we're better off with Cassel over Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Moore or Alex Smith?

At BEST a couple of those are a push. Then you look at the backups, where we have nothing (not up for debate), so we lose.

Suck. That's how I'd rank them.

I think we are last. I have never seen a NFL qb need to crow hop to throw a 15 yard pass.

Interesting question... Which backups are better than Cassel?

I would take the chiefs over:::

Dolphins: Tannehill, Moore, Garrard
Ravens: Flacco, Painter, Tyrod Taylor
Vikings: Ponder, Rosenfels, Webb

Good question.

Probably most of them.

LMAO

If we're talking better AND/OR more long-term potential/actual hope

Mallett (potential/hope)
Sanchez
Thigpen
Moore
McCoy (potential/hope)
Locker (potential/hope)
Orton
Rosenfels
Campbell (push)
Derek Anderson (push)
Kaepernick (potential/hope)
Jackson (push)

The Thigpen talk is cracking me up. LMAO

Yeah, it's pretty ****ing sad, I was convinced beyond a SHADOW of a doubt Thigpen was inferior in 2008.

They're basically the same guy. Thiggy is a sawed-off Casshole.

LMAO at Sanchez.
I'd go with Mallett and Locker for potential.
As for the veterans, I’d take Thigpen, Orton, Jackson and Campbell over Cassel because they've exhibited greater leadership qualities and have a similar, if not superior level of talent.

Sanchez is better than Cassel simply by virtue of two facts:

1. Multiple playoff wins and playoff appearances where didn't cover the field in shit.

2. Actually has room to grow.

Also, he had a "bad year" last season and still threw 26 TD. When Cassel has a bad year he throws 16 TD.

I'd be shocked if you don't think Palko is better than Cassel.

What difference does it make? They both suck.

You can make the playoffs with Cassel.

You can make blackouts with Palko.

But our lord and savior, Jesus Christ, hasn't anointed Timmy Tebow as the starter yet.

You can also look like a complete cluster**** with Cassel in a play off game.

You meant Cassel, Stanzi, Quinn right?

I'm no Cassel supporter but there's no way, shape, form or universe in which I'd rather have Thigpen than Cassel. 55% passing is a great day for Thigpen. He's basically a stronger armed version of Palko. But people generally have no memory of how things really were beyond a year or two.

It's a push. Given another season of development, Thigpen could have turned out to be a bottom third QB like Cassel.

No way on earth. And that's not an endorsement of Cassel, but that's like saying Palko could be Rich Gannon if you gave him a few years. Same difference. Cassel hadn't played QB since high school and he still could at least manage a game. Thigpen's record as a starter is 1-11. He's certainly better at running around and making a crazy play or two a game though.

What youre smoking..... i would like some.

He threw for 220 yards a game when he was here.

That's better than Cassel.

Without even looking at the list we've got to be bottom 3. Only teams I can think of off the top of my head that could be in worst shape are maybe the Jaguars and the Browns. Maybe.

Matt Leinart > Brady Quinn

:facepalm:

Without Stanzi we are a bottom 4 team at the position.

Seahawks
Cardinals
49ers

...

Thigpen 2008 11 games
6.2 ypa
22tds (counting 3 rushing tds, 18 passing tds and one receiving in only 11 games)
12int
54.8
272 ypg (passing, receiving and rushing)

Cassel 2011 9 games
10 tds (total)
9 ints
6.4 ypa
59.5
201 ypg (rushing and passing)


I'll take Thigpen of those two.

Thigpen in a gimmicky offense was essentially Cassel. Perhaps a notch below. Definitely within earshot. Now, when the former tried to work out of a pro-set (ATL), it was arguably worse than Palko.

That was the kids first NFL start and he didn't do too bad that second half, everything considered.

I'd take Thigpen, a second rounder and 63 million dollars for Thigpen to be the qb over Cassel in a heartbeat.

id actually take Matt Moore over Castle to be honest

this will be proven true when Mark Castle shits himself in Dabolls offense compared to the numbers Moore put up in it last season.

I don't think Matt Moore is all that bad.

He played alright for Carolina and Miami.

I don't understand the lack of respect for Moore either.

I think I'd only take Casshole over about 4 starting QB's.

The depth behind him though I like a lot...

miami & cleveland = tied for worst

anyday

So how did we go 7-9 last year even with Palko starting 3 games?

we don't have a QB on the roster worth anything...i mean that literally...you couldn't give away our QBs

thanks, Scott

Wut? :p

I think Tannehill is going to be a giant bundle of fail.
Ponder hasn't shown sh*t, and I don't think he will.
I know what Flacco is, and it's not an Elite QB.

Clay will be along shortly to tell you how many playoff games Flacco has won, but he will leave out the fact he had about a 10 QBR in most of them.

Because Orton won two, and because Palko won one on a bullshit hail mary, and because Cassel backed into a win against the Chargers due to a miracle.

Who gives a shit?

He was one drop away from the SB last year.

Cassel is one light year away from the SB.

I agree that Flacco is better than Cassel man, but I'd rather see what Stanzi has and draft a QB next year than trade QB corps with the Ravens and be stuck with a mediocre Flacco for multiple seasons.

There are two groups here...

Not sure they're that much better than KC's QBs, but I'd take my chance with them.
Bills: Fitzpatrick, Young, Thigpen
Titans: Hasselbeck, Locker
49ers: Smith, Kaepernick
Seahawks: Flynn, Jackson, Russell Wilson

Gotta give the nod to KC over these guys
Dolphins: Tannehill, Moore, Garrard
Browns: Weeden, McCoy
Jaguars: Gabbert, Henne
Vikings: Ponder, Rosenfels, Webb
Cardinals: Kolb, Skelton

I dunno why, but I have a feeling Weeden is going to be this years Dalton. (it's not the red hair)

I'd take Weeden over Cassel at this point.

Kevin Kolb averaged 7.7 yards per pass last season.

I'll take a chance on him over wasting time with Cassel.

Garrard and Moore are also better than anything we have.

The ABC crowd has gone insane. Thigpen is not better than Cassel. This would be a fine way to compare the two if that is all we had of Cassel. Trouble is he's starter three more seasons than what you've got here. When came in for Miami he was Palkoesque.

I don't like Cassel, but the ABC has reached moronic proportions. Cassel is one of the bottom 5 starters i the league, but he's not worse than Thigpen, or Palko. Sanchez isn't better than Cassel, neither is Moore or even Smith, I'd say they're about the same. Cassel is extremely frustrating. He'll have really good days against a bad team, but there are QBs that have bad days against bad teams, like Thigpen.

Cassel threw for 400 yards in a game here.

I was referring to Thigpen's average.

Cassel averages like 190.

Jags are probably the only one I'd take the Chiefs over. At least they are trying with Gabbert but I just don't see him amounting to anything. He's too scared of the rush and didn't show any flashes last year. And Henne sucks as well.

Other relatively close ones for me are the Seahawks, Cards, Bills and the Browns. But I'd take all 4 over KC.

Flynn showed more than Cassel in two games than Cassel has shown his entire career. He actually showed up and made plays against playoff teams. Beating one and falling just short to the other. He was a big reason why they were in those games too. Can't say that for Cassel. He just blends in and folds against good teams.

Kolb and Skelton are better than Cassel.

And Weeden has more talent and potential than Cassel. Considering that they are around the same age, I'd take my chances with him.

Bills were the closest for me. Could go either way on that. I don't believe in Fitz at all.

Can't even factor in Quinn cause he's been awful his entire career and Stanzi is still an unknown. It's depressing after writing this post, our qb situation is a complete joke.

Man, I hate defending Cassel, I want him gone, I hope Stanzi can take the job, but some here have let Cassel hate infect their brain. There are a lot of crappy QBs in the NFL. Cassel is somewhere in the low 20s 27-28th. It's not good enough, but people are trying to say QBs in the 30s and 40s are better. No they're not.

yes he is.
With Cassel:
if the games close it's over, unless you count the game vs the Chargers last year when divine intervention helped him out.

Yep. They've gone off the deep end.

Sorry we don't have enough to go on with Thigpen. He started 11 games here, Cassel started 39. In the three seasons Cassel has started 10 or more games he has, 230, 194, and 207 ypg. It's not good but the point is Thigpen is not a better QB.

Just found Thigpen's YPG with the Chiefs. It was 186.

I Skelton really better than Cassel? I hadn't considered that.

I think I might take KC's QBs over the Jag's.

Maybe. It's pretty close.

Top ten for sure, maybe a little higher.

In the games he started in 2008 it was 213.

Matt Cassel, for his Chiefs career, averages 198 yards per start. Less if you factor in the playoff game.

Thigpen and Cassel are a push. I'd give the nod to Thigpen just because he hasn't totally proven to be a complete waste of time.

Does it matter if KC is bottom 3, bottom 5 or bottom 10?

if i had the option, i'd take Fitzpatrick, Matt Moore or Hasselbeck over Cassel as a starter.

Haha, Thigpen is garbage. Put the pipe down

They are not. Thigpen is barely a back up in the NFL. If you only criteria for "better than Cassel" is they haven't proven they're worse, then yes about 25 starters and most back ups and third stringers and rookies that haven't taken a snap are better, but then that's amazingly stupid.

Hasselbeck is like ninety and those other guys are chumps. You guys are hilarious

And yet he produced at a level that rivals Cassel.

And that was without much of a running game, playing with a horrible Chiefs defense.

You put Cassel on that 08 Chiefs team, the results are similar.

It's a push with all three.