Would you pay Bowe $120-130M for 8 years?
 

According to...
Which means...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...act-with-lions

Johnson is scheduled to earn close to $130 million over the next eight seasons, including $113.5 million over the final seven years of the deal, league sources told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora.

The contract includes $4.5 million in an existing roster bonus that's due on the final year of his rookie deal.


The deal also includes $53 million in guaranteed money, with Johnson's $1.25 million base salary in 2012 guaranteed, and $36 million due in signing and option bonuses. According to La Canfora, $11.5 million in future salary is guaranteed for injury only.

The contract makes Johnson -- who scorched the NFL with 96 catches for 1,681 yards and 16 touchdowns in 2011 -- the highest-paid wide receiver in league history, surpassing the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Arizona Cardinals before last season.

No.

Tough one
Posted via Mobile Device

Why? We can franchise him for three or four years consecutively for cheaper than that.

NO

You can only franchise a player twice.

5Y 55m 30M guaranteed Gets the job done. Plus why the **** would a NFL player lock himself into a 8 year deal.

Eh. :shrug:

No way.

Not true can get hit 3 times with it.

No way in hell. He's not worth anywhere near $100 million.

The key here, of course, is "guaranteed" money. Anything beyond a reasonable 3 year amount ($40-50 million)...for a "very good" WR, would be too much; give him that....and make the rest incentive laden, so after 3 years the Chief's could cut their losses if he turns into Larry Johnson, II.

JMHO

Roddy White got a 6-year, 48 million dollar contract in 2009.

Bowe is in his class (Roddy has even worse "drop issues" FYI).

I'd say Bowe's worth 10 million, accounting for inflation.

Hell no

Absolutely no way in hell.

if the Chiefs plan of getting a Franchise QB, Yes
i'd pay what it takes to keep him in KC, if they plan on keeping Cassel beyond this year, No.

No ****ing way.

No

Nope

I'd give him VJs deal but with more guarantees.

5/55 35 guaranteed

That's quite fair, I'd say.

Bowe is without question better than VJ. More productive with worse QB play.

We saw a potential contender with offensive issues perhaps overpay VJ a little to get what they needed - a #1 WR.

No reason the Chiefs shouldn't follow suit. Gotta do what you gotta do to compete.

Bowe is good, but he's not Fitzgerald/Megatron good.

How is it structured and what are the guarantees?

5 years 55-60 million I'd be good with.

If he doesn't catch at least 80, he gets to punch Matt in the junk.

The Bucs are a potential contender?

I'd gladly give him $10-12M a year with a huge guaranteed number. The guy has done as much is as humanly possible considering his "surroundings".

If we're going to keep letting great players walk over money - when we're sitting way under the cap - while playing shitbums like Cassel and Jackson $10M a season average - we'll never have to worry about winning a championship.

$15 million plus as a season average for Bowe? I don't see any way that he's worth that.

but if we pay bowe, how will we be $30 mill under the cap?

As I said earlier, the only player you overpay to keep is a franchise QB.

You pay Bowe what he's worth, but no way you should overpay him.

WRs are not going to win you SBs.

We aren't going to win a SB with Matt Cassel and Dwayne Bowe.

We could win a SB with a franchise QB and some other team's retread WR.

Last March, this was ESPN's list of Top Ten Receivers:

1. Andre Johnson, Houston Texans
2. Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona Cardinals
3. Roddy White, Atlanta Falcons
4. Calvin Johnson, Detroit Lions
5. Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Colts
6. Greg Jennings, Green Bay Packers
7. Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City Chiefs
8. DeSean Jackson, Philadelphia Eagles
9. Brandon Lloyd, Denver Broncos
10. Brandon Marshall, Miami Dolphins

Only half (five out of ten) made the playoffs.

None even made the conference championship games, let alone the Super Bowl.

Well, we're not going to win a SB with Matt Cassel, period.

So using that logic, we shouldn't be paying anyone.

Personally, I don't think $10-12M a year average is overpaying him.

Especially when you consider what we're paying (and have paid) Cassel, Dorsey and Jackson.

They aren't serious about re-signing Bowe. If they were, the time to do it was last year. Pioli isn't stupid. They simply seem to feel he is expendable.

I have a feeling you're insinuating that you don't need an elite receiver to make the playoffs/win championships.

Huh? CJ should be #1, and definitely NOT below White. LOL

Maybe Pioli should re-watch the 2nd half of the Denver game without Bowe.

Sadly, I tend to agree with this.

I disagree that 10-12 mil a year is overpaying.

I'd give him 9-10, but not up to 12.

And justifying overpaying him because we are overpaying Cassel and Jackson isn't really justification.

If you do 1 or 2 stupid things, does that justify doing another stupid thing?

which doesn't actually mean anything...

so what's your point, that every player on those teams that didn't make the superbowl is non-essential, or just WRs for some random reason?

Wouldn't be surprised at all to see 2 of those wrs in the SB this year.



I'm calling it here. Lions vs. Texans SB.

That's pure speculation.

His play on the field justifies that level of pay.

Cassel and Jackson are just examples of where this organization is wasting money that could go to a deserving player.

If Baldwin lights it up this season, this could very well be the case.

Andre, Calvin and Larry you could interchange, but no way Roddy White is better. No team would take White over CJ.

This

They're doing the same thing they did with Carr. They weren't interested in paying market for a second #1 CB. That's fine. They let him get to the open market, threw a lowball offer at him, but more or less chose to downgrade to someone older whom they thought was good enough. Ok, if that's your decision, but don't play the "aww shucks, we tried" card.

You don't let a young player in his prime at a premium position hit the open market if you're serious about resigning him. Makes no sense. Pioli isnt an idiot. The only logocal conclusion is that they don't feel paying the player market value is something they need to do to win.

They appear to be following the Patriot way of trying to win with above average players who fit a profile rather than superstars in their prime production years.

That's all well and good, except most of us are starting to see that the Patriot Way has more to with working near Brady and Belichick than Pioli having some kind of way to beat the system.

No NFL team pays top money for 2 Corners. Bowe is a number 1 WR and he will get paid like it.

I thought it was 3 years, isnt that what is happening with brees?? franchised as a charger, now a saint, and they said one more time?

They over paid Cassel 63 million dollars.

What happens when/if Bowe does not sign?? Is it you do not pay for this position on a team with a bad QB?? The Chiefs had money to get both..

The you do not pay 2 #1's is not a valid argument anymore with the league turning into a passing happy league with the rules..

just pay him 300 million dollars and keep him!! He is the best WR in the history of the NFL, look at what he did with Cassle /CPtard

No NFL team pays top money for two 5-techniques.

Oh, wait.

I was mistaken, and have already been corrected.

Call me a dumbass and move on.

I don't dispute that. The point was just that they were also not interested in retaining Carr unless it was at a steep discount. They tried to keep up appearances, but at the end of they day they have a salary range in mind for CB2 and he was out of their range.

I could be on board with it if we were using that savings to improve the team, but I'm guessing we won't see this.

Nailed it.

Sadly, some of those average players who fit a profile are making the money the playmakers should be making.

there is only two scenarios with Bowe and the Chiefs. It's very simple.

1) They work on a long term deal, Bowe wants to play here, his agent and Pioli make it happen in terms of a long term deal. He may sign the franchise tender and then the couple months they have in the offseason a long term deal gets done then

or

2) He doesnt want to play here, signs the franchise tender, showcases his talents this year and then next years FA he walks. Chiefs will need to come to terms with if Bowes camp makes it clear they are stringing the Chiefs along to save face, they might have to trade him to get value out of him instead of nothing. (i.e. by the trade deadline.)

We'll have to respectfully disagree.

But then, as good as Fitz and CJ are, I think they are overpaid.

That goes back to my original point.

The only player you overpay is a franchise QB.

Every other position is expendable.

And I am a fan of Bowe (and Carr).

Pay him or don't pay him, it is Pioli responsibility to put winning tallent on the field. We don't succeed in this off with his head.

I think you'd have to list the Jets as a team paying top dollar for 2 corners.

How did he nail it?

Carr got big time money from the Boys.
#1 corner money.

We have no idea what Pioli offered Carr, but I would bet top dollar he offered him a a contract that was equal to or better than the top #2 corners in the league.

Late last night, the New York Jets signed a four-year, $34 million deal, with cornerback Antonio Cromartie.


That's not top money Carr would have turned that down.

I don't think they made an offer at all.

He signed that last year. That was top money.

Sure, they were an ass hair from the playoffs before last season.

No way. I was going to say it depends on how much is guaranteed, but I don't think that would even matter.

This.

There's the problem.

We offered a CB2 money to a CB1.

Assuming, as Brock said, we made him an offer at all.

When you have Flowers you should do that. Carr will show you this year he is no number 1.

They were awful last year.


And that year they nearly made the playoffs, didn't they play a weak schedule?

What he does in Dallas is irrelevant.

Different defense, surrounding cast, etc.

What Carr does in Dallas doesn't change the fact he was a CB1 for the Kansas City Chiefs.

ROFL i guess so when flowers was taking on the teams number 1 wr.

Laugh all you want, he's a better CB than Flowers.

I love Brandon Flowers, but he's overrated because of his run support.

Pissing match over who the better CB is aside, this is a QB-driven, passing league.

Which means 4 positions are of utmost importance:

QB: Over $10M a year average and $30M guaranteed for subpar play.

CB: Downgraded to save $3M a year when we're $30M under the cap.

WR: Potentially losing a Top 5-8 WR, again over money.

DE/OLB: Luckily, we're covered here.

1 out of 4 ain't bad, eh?

And FWIW, Carr and Flowers primarily played a side of the field, not a specific WR.

IIRC, Carr played the right and Flowers the left.

Regardless of whether he's a 1 or not, I have no problem with letting Carr go. I wish they could have gotten something in return. But I think investing too much money in corners would be stupid. I can't think of any team that does that.

While I agree that Carr could have been the #1 CB in KC, the fact is, Flowers was lined up against the #1 receiver a good 80% of the time.

And again, we are back to my original point.

The only position you overpay, even when you are millions under the cap, is QB.

It is okay, I did not get that far to to see you corrected..

Jets.

Packers pay an average of $8.7M to Travon Williams and $9.3M to Charles Woodson.

The Falcons pay an average of a combined $25.86M to Brent Grimes, Asante Samuel and Dunta Robinson.

I'm guessing there are a few more, but this shows there are some teams that value the position.

And I'll repeat my point: I don't think what Dallas gave him is overpaying.

Not in this era.

No way. We need to save that money to sign next year's garbage pile players to one year contracts.

What's the point of suffering through years of crap talent while they build the team from scratch, if they aren't willing to spend to keep the talent they find in the process? Since we didn't build a winner during the window of those rookie contracts, are we going to tear it down again and start over?

We haven't won a playoff game in half a century, but by god look how good we are with the salary cap.

Carl Peterson is proud of you guys.