KK wrong about success of ASG
 

Remember when we were awarded the ASG and KK said that KC will be a embarrassment? Then last summer a article in SI had a player talking about coming here and some players weren't sure. KK took off with that as ammo saying we shouldn't host the game?

Now he s saying that he expected it

Keitzman talks out of his ass? Who knew??

..."but if it had been down town..." blah blah blah

And I turned his show on around 2:40ish, literally listened for half a minute, and the first call I heard him take was some goober fluffing KK on how he was so right on how the ROyals should have built their stadium downtown. I immediately turned the station.

That's my weekly 90 second quota of Keitzman off the books.

KK is currently patting himself and his station on the back for motivating our fans to be "great." Think he has a big opinion of himself or what?

EXACTLY

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Wish he'd get off the downtown stadium crap. I love where the stadiums are. Screw KK.

and who needs the parking nightmare that would go with a downtown ballpark.

Can't you just develop the areas around the stadiums and achieve the same effect?

Exactly. Parking and traffic are bad enough there as it is. This down town stadium veal needs to go away. Truman Sports Complex is one of the nicest and most accessible sporting venues in the nation.

This what I want to know. It was done down town with the P&L district, why not there?

I don't think I've heard that blowhard's voice in 5 years. If the goofball annoys you, don't turn to his station.

Only in Kansas City do people prefer a stadium in the middle of nowhere because it's easy to park.

No shit. It looks the exact same around the stadiums today as it did 20 years ago. It's WAY past due to get updated out there.

Those dual stadiums kick ass. Make that area a destination for the night lifers/restaurant goers.

Are you really asking why nobody is building a several hundred million dollar entertainment district in Raytown, MO?

I haven't been out there in a long time, but for crying out loud, if I recall correctly the only restaurant out there is a Denny's or something.

Yeah, because building bright, shiny, destination places only works in locations like Wyandotte County?

Still there. Hi-Boy is just minutes away, though!

Listening to KK for 90 seconds?

You get a Klondike Bar!

That livestrong complex is crawling with people all the time. I don't know why it wouldn't work with Truman too.

Originally, Lamar Hunt wanted to build the NASCAR track next to Arrowhead, out by where the practice facility is now. But he never got around to it, and Wyandotte County eventually beat them to it.

KK is talking about Pork Butts right now. If anybody knows about porky butts.....

Hey, I actually HAVE some Klondike bars here at work in the freezer. I'm gonna go get one now!

Actually, the restaurants inside the stadiums are open during the off season, and are rented out for weddings and events and such.

Hi-Boy's, Dixon's Chili and Gates BBQ are fairly close to the sports complex.

KK wanted the stadium downtown because he had purchased a bunch of property down there.

KK doesn't do / say anything that doesn't benefit KK.

He's a dirtbag.

Indeed.

I've had more drunken "victory burgers" at that Hi-Boy location than the workers there care to remember.

And there's that. He had just gotten both the 810 Zone down on the Plaza and the Western Auto building when he was in the middle of his boner for downtown baseball, iirc.

Correct - and based on some friends that are STILL renting out their condo at Western Auto, I'm sure he took a nice bath on it.

Imagine trying to tailgate downtown. I'll take the easy open parking every time.

Yes I am.

Raytown is within sight of the Sports Complex, but the stadium is in KCMO. Very close to the stadiums, Raytown, Independence and KC borders all meet.

That new waterpark attached to the old Adam's Mark isn't exactly a restaurant but it's new and I presume it does pretty well with families.

Aside from the booing, MLB must have loved our production of the ASG. Sold out the futures game, fanfest was huge, the parade was packed, and the HR Derby and ASG looked terrific and were filled with passionate baseball fans, who were not just out there to be in the social spotlight or be part of the social elite.

And not a single **** was given by Bud Selig.

Supposedly the charity run brought in quite a bit of money as well.

It'll be at least 25 more years before KC gets another ASG. Weather here may be too hot to ever host another game in July, unless we get a roof.

810 Zone on the Plaza is closed now.

It makes me giggle to think about KK buying a bunch of downtown property, because he thought he had the market pegged. Then his stupid stadium crusade dies, and he's left in the red.

And why the hell WOULDN'T you renovate Raytown and the KCMO areas? Shitty places don't have to stay shitty.

Hey now, lighten up on Raytown. It's a nice suburb, good people live there.
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ouch ... really?

Yep. They got the one out in Leawood and the one in Harrah's.

My cousin & I went there last fall instead of paying $$$$ for food at Arrowhead. Their food is good, cheap, and the hot stuff stays hot and the cold stuff stays cold a looong time.

Nobody is proposing putting the football stadium downtown. Drive out to the middle of nowhere and devote an entire day to a football game. There are only eight home games a year, so it makes sense.

People don't tailgate 81 times a year for baseball games. They aren't going to eat ballpark nachos and hotdogs for dinner three nights a week for seven months.

Driving to Raytown takes a commitment because you don't work there, you don't shop there, you don't eat there, and you don't socialize there. When you go to Raytown, it is done for the sole purpose of attending the game and leaving town afterwards.

When teams build baseball stadiums downtown, the people are already there. They can leave work, hit up a restaurant, pop into the game, and hang at bars afterwards. The game "fits".

I was thinking this afternoon, the 75th Anniversary of Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier will be in 2022 (I think). With the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame here...................

(Will Cano be retired by then?)

A winning club would bring a higher attendance and more tailgating with it. This is Kansas City, it's what we do. The issue isn't location, the issue is a reason to go.

Not 81 times a year, more than half of which are played on weeknights.

winning is the biggest problem but not the only problem

attendance would go up if the stadium was surrounded by an active location

too many games for a 'designation situation' 162 times a year.

the lower ticket prices would really hit if people could just 'drop in' for a game

I think a downtown stadium is ideal, but I don't see much wrong with the Royals playing where they play. It's a nice stadium, KC traffic isn't very bad, and if they win people will come. Some cities need the downtown stadium because traffic is so bad, even at 7:00 that it would just be a headache. I used to be able to go home, eat dinner and still make it to a Royals game from Olathe.
And there's some drawbacks to the downtown stadium. Some companies only rent their parking for certain hours and you can't park in the garage during the game anyway. And if you want to park in a lot near the stadium it can run you $25.
I like the downtown stadium better, but I don't think the Royals stadium situation holds them back.
As far as the ASG- it's not like it's a Super Bowl type party event anyway. The teams and players play two days prior, they come in for the HR contest and the game and leave. It's kind of a quick turnaround, I think. I don't think the stadium location would make MLB think KC is a bad location.

Absolutely. It would be no big deal to drop twenty bucks to walk across the street from your office and catch five innings of a game just for the hell of it spur of the moment.

You don't go to a Royals game at the last minute very often, especially if you have kids.

KK is a liar. This isn't exactly news.

They're supposed to open one in Lee's Summit late this summer.

When Cerner buys the Royals, they will build a new Park where bannister mall and then we will move all the poor people to where the K is.

There's a damn Shoneys across the highway, what more do you want?

It's pretty sad that the Overland Park soccer complex has more to do within walking distance than the Truman Sports complex. Actually, it's not even remotely close.

When the Royals were winning in the 80s, they averaged 35 thou a game.

The problem isn't location, it's the product.

The demographics of Kansas City have changed considerably in the past 25 years.

And the Royals have been losers for the past 27 years.

You put a winning product on the field, and people will go to the games, demographics be damned.

And more people will go if you put a stadium somewhere people actually go...and they have a better time when they do.

No matter how good the game is, you're still in Raytown when it ends.

I think losing for 25 years has a much bigger effect on fans than having a stadium 10 minutes outside downtown does.

Seriously, driving from the K to downtown takes 10 minutes Max. It's not as big a deal as most people make it.
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You got a ****ing problem with Hi-Boy and the titty bar that used to be Bunns, whatever it is called now?

I vote to build up the area around the complex. Those teams aren't getting new stadiums anywhere else in this area.

For the record, Saul, I agree with you. People just getting off of work or staggering out of one of the bars down there would be more likely to just walk up for a ticket than to drive out past 435 (the whole whopping 10-15 minute drive it is). But it's not going to happen, so they should do the next best, and smartest, thing.

It's fifteen miles or twenty plus minutes with traffic, plus you then have to deal with figuring out where to eat, paying for parking, and all that shit. Suddenly, it's not worth the hassle if you really only want to catch 90 minutes of the game or so.

In Kansas City, people pop into a bar for a few drinks after work. In cities with downtown stadiums, they hit the Rockies game for a couple of drinks after work.

What about Arrowhead?

You don't pop into Arrowhead after work. Home football games happen 8 times a year, and they happen on Sundays. You can expect people to make a day out of going to Arrowhead because that makes up 2% of the year. Arrowhead is perfect right where it is.

Build up the area? Kansas City just did that and is subsidizing it to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. That area is downtown...where people actually work.

And then, the taxpayers ponied up hundreds of millions of dollars so that a few billionaires could make more money off of the stadiums...and instead of building a new stadium near that beautiful downtown entertainment district, the stadium was renovated by adding a couple of bars and a playground. Meanwhile, the billionaire owner of the Royals has shown absolutely zero willingness to make the financial commitment necessary for building a winner.

Now we're supposed to say, "Hey Mr. Glass. Dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into your stadium in the middle of nowhere wasn't enough. Now, we're going to dump another hundred million into building an entertainment district around your stadium. Of course, nobody works near there, so nobody is going to go there, but we're Kansas City. This is what we do. You've seen where we put the ****ing airport, right?"

I vote for downtown stadium, and I would like it to be open in 2025.

Seriously.

and tailgate...

I'm sure all 13 people who tailgate at Thursday evening Royals games are glad to have a parking lot the size of Andorra in which to throw washers.

No. You would need major arteries to get there you know like highways and such. That I-70 thing that runs across the entire country for some reason doesn't qualify.

For downtown stadium to be successful, you need:

1) Lots to do surrounding stadium (bars, restaurants, etc.) - check
2) Good mass-transit (bus, trolley, train) - nope
3) good product - getting there, but not yet


Take it from someone who's experienced both, downtown stadiums (when all 3 above are met) are kick-ass.

And with good mass-transit, parking problems are non-existent.

The padres played in the shithole that is Qualcomm.......moved downtown......it's a party.....plenty of things to do....plenty of places to eat/drink.

150 times better than Qualcomm (which would be the equivalent of KC's sports complex.....10-15 min from downtown........nothing close by. (though the trolley does stop at Qualcomm also)

I've been to the Arizona Cardinals and D-Backs facilities. We had to take a shuttle from the parking lot to the stadium for the Cardinals. We had to park a mile away for the D-Backs. It was stupid as ****. Granted at the Cards if you are a season ticket holder you get to park next to the stadium.

Usually when I hear this argument, its from some Johnson County resident who didn't pay a goddamn dime to renovate the stadium anyway.

Jackson County built it.
Jackson County renovated it.
It sits in the middle of Jackson County.
Where the people who PAID for the damn thing live.

I could care less if your drive from Olathe is inconvenient.

The only thing a JoCo will pay for is a gated community. And guess what? Most of you aren't welcome there, unless you're coming out to clean the house, cut the grass or clean the pool.

Oh, and one other thing.

The Sprint Center was built next to the P&L with the promise that we would get the NBA or NHL. Guess what? We got neither. Even if we did build a downtown baseball stadium, as long as the Glass Family own the team, we won't have a baseball team either. So instead of drawing 15,000 a night in August and September at the HST Sports complex, you'll be drawing 10,000 a night downtown. Plus Jackson County taxpayers are going to be hard pressed to ever build anything again for David Glass based on his cheap ass track record. So good luck passing a bond issue, because downtown is in KCMO, Jackson County.

Maybe Wyandotte County would build one out by Sporting's Park, but I really doubt that. They already have the TBones, and they occasionally win!

Enjoy paying out the ass for a stadium in Raytown so that a billionaire in Arkansas can get even wealthier, then.

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....and they're 23rd in attendance.

ROFL

I already pay out the ass so a billionaire from Texas gets wealthier. His name is Clark Hunt.

So that's not a big deal in KC.

No doubt Glass sucks. The Royals will be the Wal-Mart of baseball as long as he owns the team. Until he croaks, or sells it, we're stuck with it. Might as well just let Kauffman be Kauffman. It's got plenty of bars to drink your baseball blues away.

And the sports complex is in KCMO, not Raytown. You're severely geographically challenged.

This year. Of course, they had a fire sale. But new ownership on the way.

But look at the first 2-3 years.

Oh, and it's San diego.....where there's 100 other things to do at the same time.....where the weather is near perfect every day to do those other things.:evil:

EDIT: I did the research for you.....SD ranked 15th - 20th range 2008-2010. In 2010, they drew about 500,000 more for the year than the royals.....with nearly half the payroll of the Royals.

Hmmm?

I can't believe we're still arguing about where the baseball stadium should be. Pointless waste of time.

I thought the booing as the best part, by far.

I have tailgated at every single Royals game I have ever been to going all the way back to 1988.