Replacement Refs Have To Go
 

Some of the calls I've been seeing on the pre-season games are almost impossible to describe, let alone explain. Guys holding themselves. Punts that are downed 5 yards from the endzone and then ruled as touchbacks. Just amazing stuff.

I really hope the NFL comes to their senses before the real season starts...

I thought they did a good job in the game against the Cards.

I tend to agree, but do remember that even the regular refs are usually particularly bad in the preseason. It's the preseason for them, too.

I've never seen some of these kinds of calls though -- not even at the high school level.

Would be a shame to lose a game because of it.

Sexist. /D.C.

Really?

How about (who was it? Vinnie Testeverde?) a TD called on a QB scramble that fell two yards short?

Or the heads/tails call that was badly botched?

Or the fumble that cost the Chargers or Donkeys a game? Can't remember who)


Seriously, these replacements haven't been nearly as bad as portrayed, and the regular officials have never been all that good.

The only reason its pointed out, is because its replacement ref's lets see if the media guys point out the TERRRRIBLE calls that the real ref's make when they come to terms. ITS JUST AS BAD.

I definitely agree, but there have been a few calls that were pretty odd. That said, I agree with the above that they're still practicing too. Hopefully we'll either 1) get the normal guys back or 2) see some good improvement by the time the season rolls around.

OR THE TONY GONZALEZ CIRCUS TOUCHDOWN CATCH IN THE 1997 PLAYOFFS THAT SHOULD HAVE WON US THAT GAME AND WE ADVANCE AND THE BRONCOS DONT WIN THE SUPERBOWL

If people who have been reffing the nfl for years and years still make mistakes, think about the mistakes that will be made by a person who's highest level of officiating is the lingerie football league. I'll take the regular reds anyday over these replacement ones.
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At least these refs aren't the "I need to get my camera time" refs.

halfway through the season we probably won't be able to tell the difference


the new guys actually called holding on the guy blocking Hali ... that's a plus.

... or the phantom hold that negated the Stoyanovich FG. That game still pisses me off.

Refs are always going to be bad /thread

Shit, I remember a preseason game a couple years back where the refs gave a team six downs in one series. These guys really aren't any worse than the 'real' refs.

That's what you got from this?

These replacements have done a credible job.

They've only blown a couple of obvious calls that the regular refs wouldn't have, perhaps.

But I also know that the regular refs have been nearly as bad each and every preseason.

By the time the regular season rolls around, the couple or three major issues that I've seen, and I've been watching preseason all weekend, will be cleared up for the most part.

The chick can stay as long as she promises to use her clothes as the yellow flags.

That would be awesome when she's on the rag.

Oh the confusion!

We won't know if it's penalty or a challenge!

Mass hysteria!

The fix was in for sure.

there is a chick ref now? Pics or it didn't happen.

I was thinking the exact same thing. :thumb:

They called holding against Hali for once. I love em'!

this

This! I'm sure they made mistakes, but they all do, and nobody seems to care (because of pride) to help them get it right. We have replay, but they've made that a game too...

That being said, nothing is as bad as baseball's balls and strikes. So there's nothing to see here (by comparison), let's move on...

I'll just be happy to see some calls go the Chiefs way, 50/50 will do, for a change....

The regular officials are just as bad.

The League will correct this and less than 10% of holds on Hali will be called by the start of the regular season.

:mad:

I just can't get on the "Regular officials were bad so these replacements are okay" bandwagon. There's a reason these refs were coaching Div III college football. There's a reason they were coaching Lingerie league football. There's a reason they were kicked out of some leagues for bad officiating.

Regular officials may be bad, but this could be a disaster. The best officials out there came from the 3rd best division in college football. They're not used to reffing over some of the best athletes in the world. They might look good reffing over scrubs in the 2nd to 4th quarter, but what happens when they have to ref over 1st stringers for a full game?

Kudos to the refs in KC the other night -- they allowed me to view an NFL game without any "defensless WR" calls. Can't remember the last time that happened.

I can live with mistakes by refs. But there are too many freekin rules.

I think they are on par or a tad better.. These refs don't seem to have bias of allowing star players getting calls.. Sure they miss a lot, but so did the regular ones..

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I definitely agree with this.

If the replacements ref until weeks 4-5, Manning will be dead.


He won't have his shield of non-stop holding to protect him.

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i love them they are hilarious

i was at the game friday night and i thought i noticed that there were less reffs on the field? am i going crazy or are there less now?

i'm glad they called a hold on tamba finally tamba getting held like he going to get a kiss from them.

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I think all the media bitching about the replacement refs must be due to them not being able to pay them off like they do the regular refs.

What game was it where the ref forgot what city(team) was playing? LMAO

1000x this!!

it will be worth the growing pains and learning curve just to get rid of all the diva refs and the guys who let the "who" influence the call.

You could tell that from 1 game of preseason where star players played one series?
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Sounds like some people are forgetting just how incompetent the regulars were.

This.

no, but you gotta think it will better than all the bias crap we got before.

these new guys are going to be starstruck by everyone :)


ed hoculi
pale guy that looks like he has vaseline all over his face and is wearing mascara

several other refs that you just know going into the game that you are going to get screwed

Why because they officiated the lingerie league? Because they officicated the 3rd best college football division?



And I would still take them 100 times out of 100 over these replacement refs.
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already told you ... because they will be star struck by EVERYONE

They will be just trying to not screw up and do their just


unlike several of the diva refs we ahve now that love them some camera time

:spock: Really?

On that same token, wouldn't they try to appease to the home crowd more and more so as to avoid that "camera time" and any controversy? It wouldn't surprise me if a ref straight out of Div III college is influenced by 70,000 screaming fans. That worries me.


Anyway, it's illogical to think that these refs will be better. There's a reason they were Division III refs. There's a reason they were reffing the Lingerie league.

And I found this little nugget.

- Mike Pereira

Yeah, I'd rather have the real refs.

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

NFL now foresees starting the 2012 regular season with replacement officials: http://es.pn/PeTpg9

The real refs, that can't be let go, consistently call bad games and know there is no repercussions to them..

So far, from the five games I watched the first preseason week they called a better overall game.. Sure there are mistakes, but the regular refs made the same ones..

You're doing it wrong...

hmmmhhmmmm


"hey hey
Ho Ho
The female ref
has got to GO!
Hey hey....
ho ho
The shitty female ref has got to go"

back to the kitchen.

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how horrible they are tonight on MNF.

We need pete to become a ref, so we can complain about him

maybe these new replacement refs will start calling holding on OL that hold Hali on every down. If they do I'm all for keeping them lol

THREAD OVER

but don't forget the time Pey Pey wasn intercepted in a tight playoff game by Polomolu, who rolled over the ground twice, got up, started running, than fumbled, was ruled a fumble, than got overturned into a incomplete pass because "Troy did not make a move particularly common to the game of football"

the only refs that need let go are the ones who've made calls so bad they cost teams regular season or playoff victories and are so illogical most NFL fans have to wonder if they're rigging them. none of these preseason refs have made mistakes like that yet, but the ones that've been working these games the last few years, well....

Eric Winston ‏@ericwinston

No thank you RT @AdamSchefter: NFL now foresees starting the 2012 regular season with replacement officials: http://es.pn/PeTpg9

Ed Hochuli? Good ref made his share of mistakes. The replacement refs are just as human.

well you can guarantee that all the ex players in the media etc will do their best to yell about the replacements to help the ref union win against the NFL.

I haven't see one problem and I've watched most the games. I say get rid of the old guys.

Seems like CURRENT players and coaches agree with me. But what would they know :rolleyes:
But, but, but, regular officials are so bad! Why would one of the smartest tackles in the game want them back!?!?

Doubt it. We don't know what regular officials would have called in these 5 games you have watched. For all you know, the replacement refs have missed 40 penalties. I trust the guys who have trained to officiate the NFL for years. I don't trust guys who got kicked out of the Lingerie Football league. I don't trust officials who got kicked out of the Pac-10 because of performance issues. I don't trust officials who until now have only officiated high school games.

i second that. it's been time for new blood for awhile now.

They definitely didn't disappoint...

Some interesting stuff here. Full time refs and refs getting sit down for poor performance.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/82...placement-refs

NFL May Start Season With Replacement Refs

John Clayton on the NFL likely to start season with replacement referees.

League executives said Monday they now foresee starting the 2012 regular season with replacement officials.


At a time when players are openly criticizing replacement officials and coaches are privately grumbling about them, the NFL and NFL Referees Association are not making any progress towards a new deal, according to sources familiar with the talks.


Economics play a part in the stalemate, but league brass said there are two other issues hanging over and hanging up negotiations.


For starters, the NFL wants to make a group of officials, who work only part time for the NFL, work full time. But more than 90 percent of those officials already have full-time jobs and they are unwilling to leave them and the revenue they provide.


The other issue is that the NFL wants to add three additional crews to give officials more rest and the league more officiating options, but the locked-out officials oppose this. In an ideal world, the NFL would like a bigger pool of officials to choose from, especially with some of the top officials aging. The league believes if it could bring in more officials now, it could groom more for the future.


The league also has discussed the option of rotating some of the proposed new officials into established crews if the league determines there is a substandard performance by an official that merits a change.


The NFL is completing its first full preseason weekend with Monday night's Cowboys-Raiders game. It has assigned crews to this upcoming weekend's second week of preseason games. Plus, the assignments for the third week were sent out Monday, further proving that the league is planning to have this last into and through the preseason.


The league also believes that now that the replacement officials, who have been training with the league for the past three months, will be better suited to handle the pressure of the NFL with experience this past weekend. As one league executive in the officiating department said, just as teams are forced to start rookies in the preseason, the league is being forced to do the same, and just as teams' rookies often perform better as the preseason goes on, so will the officials.


One source familiar with the stalled negotiations estimated that the two sides would not resolve their differences until the third week of the regular season. His feelings on the state of the talks provide a snapshot of how far apart the two sides are.

I didn't really care one way or another until I read the above. Holy shit, those guys were historically bad. :shake:

Great, we'll probably get Knowmo Jr. calling the Chiefs-Denver games this year and he'll go full '97 playoffs.

Bump. Anyone still like them?

Was there something from the recent games you didn't like? They seem to be a little slow in getting play calls, and I've seen the wrong number called a time or two, but I didn't personally see anything too bad this weekend.

Ignoring the impact of replacement refs, this article points out quite a few things that the NFL is trying to do that we've been calling for for a long time. I don't see how any fan of the game can feel like the NFL is in the wrong with all of this.

little slow and still getting use to it but nothing glaring


would i rather have the regulars ... sure, but the new guys aren't doing terrible or anything

I agree with the NFL on making their officials full time employees. Get rid of the attorneys and insurance executives, etc., who moonlight as NFL referees. That's a holdover from the old days when players, players and officials had to have jobs to make ends meet.

LOL with how much money the NFL makes, they can't pay these guys enough to leave their other jobs? That's pathetic, and I call BS.

Yep

It gotten to a pathetic point. It wasn't just the crew for the Chiefs game. It's every crew.

They don't know the rules. The don't know which teams are playing and sometimes what city they're in. They aren't consistent with their calls. They sound unintelligent during their explanations. As much as I disliked the original refs, these guys are truly worse. Worse than I could've imagined.

I just wish they would get their calls in quickly and get the game rolling. They have really slowed down the pace of the games.

Being a son of former a union worker i can not help but hope for the scab refs to fail. Jesus one of them is from the lingerie football league

They changed the dynamic and momentum of last nights game for us with those two awful calls on Tamba during that drive-neither one was close. After that series, we never had any positive mojo

The 2nd roughing call on Hali was atrocious.

He was blatantly held. Around the neck, no less.