Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start
 

Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star




Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start.

But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season.

“If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that.

“(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.”

The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee.

As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.”

Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster.

“I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap.

“It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.”

Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season.

“We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing.

Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround.

Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league.

Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.”

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**** you, Scott Pioli. **** you.

LMAO

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I want some of what Pioli is smoking.

We're good enough, we're smart enough, and gosh darnit we're the Right 53

Bugeater says Pioli can go fist himself.

Out of Touch

Good luck with.that

:spock: So the message is you are shocked that the Chiefs are 0-2 after 2 blowouts, but don't have any idea as to what is wrong with your team. We shouldn't worry though because we are going to win games. I know that 2 wins is technically games but that's bullshit. Just get the **** out Scott....

Awesome. I hope Pioli sticks with RAC and Cassel all the way through...

To the end.

Of all 3 of them being in KC.

I can give a **** about winning some games. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO BRING US A SUPER BOWL PIOLI? HMMMM PIOLI HMMMM? LET A LONE A FREAKING PLAYOFF GAME KINDLY GO **** YOURSELF SIR!

As much as I'd like to see Quinn get a shot.....I want to see Cassel suck all 16 games this year. I want to see him continually look like shit every week he's trotted out there.

I WANT THIS TEAM TO GO 0-16.

“I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap.

WTF is he getting this information from?

No you don't.

He's the GM?

Denial, he can't be that stupid. Of course, he has proven already that he will not admit making a mistake.

They can turn it around. Will they? That's the real question.
If they get thumped again this weekend...the wheels might come off this thing.

Now we are over the cap by 20mill??!? lmao So what are the penalties for that from the league Goodell office? Is he trying to **** us over this way? That's not even good to be $20mill over cap and still put shit on the field like this. Ha ha ha that makes him look even more foolish to me just to say that. & I think it's a lie.

He better be talking about re-signing Flowers and Bowe. If he extends Casshole I will no longer root for this team until both he and Cassel are gone.

Cash spending vs. the cap.

Two different things.

What he's saying is 100% true and accurate. It's been verified by independent entities.

The Chiefs' cap number is somewhere between 15-20M under the cap. However, in cold, hard cash, they're like 7th in the league in spending.

No, they can't, and no, they shouldn't.

He's a master manipulator guys. The only way to get him out is to continue to lose horribly and I think that will stop soon.

I don't like the guy but he is here for a while.

He's just like the Joker.... always just a half a step ahead of Batman...

LMAO

Fortunately, the Spin Doctor finds himself spinning these days.

The fans don't buy it any longer.

Ahh man, this is great news..... I was getting worried for a minute there....

Boy I sure hope we can pull it out just enough to pick around #15 again!!

so?

Eh, I'm not listening anymore.

Win or GTFO.

But Pioli said Cassel's a starting QB 4 years ago.

So why isn't this going to change when the cap minimum goes into effect next year?

I understand that they give bonuses and frontload deals but that Cap spending number is going to go up. There is no way around that.

I guess they could stop front loading cash with bonuses but it's going to show up in the cap.

I've heard you say a couple of times that there is ways around this for the owners but I really don't see them. Seems like we will be spending the same amount of cash.

Can you explain this a little bit because me and alot of other people don't understand. - I'm not being a smartasss...

I've read 3rd in the league in overall cash spending.

So what's the difference or why doesn't cold hard cash apply to the league salary cap?

The smart fans. Your average Joe just wants to see them win. It's going to be hard to get Pioli out. He has Clark's ear and I think Clark's expectations are low.

I think it is like bonus money but I don't know?

This.

I think we've over reacted quite a bit, and rightly so.

But if we clear our heads and look at it as football people and not as emotional fans, we can see that this team does in fact have the talent to right the ship.

We've seen them do it. We've seen DJ hit his correct assignments. We've seen the D-line hold up against the run. We know what Charles and Bowe are capable of.

It's a matter of WILL they do it?

We know these players are CAPABLE of doing it.

It's just a matter of whether they'll get it done or not, and whether RaC has the ability to get a high level of play out of them.

I was about to post a pic of " Baghdad Bob"

Um, Matt Cassel.

Because it doesn't have to. The "cap minimum" is spending vs. the cap.

They're already satisfying the criteria going into effect.

They could literally not change a thing and be fine, at least that's the way I understand it. I'm not really cap guru, either.

Unfortunately for the Chiefs, they don't have a nice string of shitty teams lined up on the schedule like previous seasons... until possibly December (after Luck has 14 games under his belt). OTOH, they could go on a nice little winning streak to end the season and spin it all offseason...

I guess i need to define "Right the ship".

By "right the ship" i mean become competitive and able to carry Matt Cassel, not become the Falcons.

That is possibly even more pathetic.

Does the cash spending include coaches salaries and executive golf memberships?

Thanks... Hopefully there will be some in depth articles about this going into next year.

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Adam just said Pioli is going no where. FML

You can't underestimate guys like Pioli imo... He's a master manipulator. Not just some used car salesman.

That means Cassel isn't too

I think a major loosing streak may be the only thing that gets us rid of Cassel.

At some point Pioli is going to get tired of the losing and the effect it has on his "reputation", since that is supposedly his biggest concern, his rep.

This normally occurs in respect to signing bonuses, Mr. BlackBob. I'll try to explain ...

Let's say you have a cage full of complete morons. Now, the league says you can only have 5 complete morons, but you want 6. What do you do? You acquire a stubborn, verbose idiot and convert him to a complete moron. It's a simple matter of terminology ... or accounting.

For example, a signing bonus of 50 million on a five-year deal can be spread (cap-wise) over the term of the contract ... five years. That's 10 million each year against the cap.

However, the 50 million you spent in the signing bonus is actual, real, hard cash that went from your bank account to someone else's.

In this way, a team can "spend" money above the cap in any given year, yet remain below the cap in terms of how the money is applied.

Hope that helps.

FAX

Confidence is huge in this league though. This team needs some.
They need to play over their heads and beat the Saints.
If this team stops believing in itself this season will spiral out of control.

At this point, isn't this what we need?

I'm literally rooting for us to go 0-16.

It does help and that's what I thought. Thanks man.:thumb:

Well done, Mr. Fax. And welcome back! I was going to explain it like this.

You sign a player to a 5 year contract. The signing bonus is $5MM and each year the salary is $1MM.

According to the cap, it is a 5 year, $10 MM contract. The hit against the cap is $2MM for the next 5 years.

According to the bank account, it looks like this.

Year 1 - $6MM
Year 2 - $1MM
Year 3 - $1MM
Year 4 - $1MM
Year 5 - $1MM

Of course, this is a very simplistic example. There are all kinds of incentives (likely-to-be-earned and not-likely-to-be-earned), roster bonuses, guarantees, and of course, all of the years don't have the same salary.

Do you feel better about this team now? Neither do I. That is the problem. Scott.

Why? We'll just trade back for more picks and keep Cassel.

They actually changed the rules for how a bonus can be spread to eliminate that loophole.

That's why players aren't getting crazy signing bonuses anymore and the focus is on guaranteed dollars.

I've been saying this about our spending for over a year now...the only reason we are under the cap right now is due to the rollover.

1 win, 5 wins, 8 wins, means nothing except for picking in the middle of the draft next year. Getting to the playoffs means nothing, since "Cap'n Shit my pants while I curl up in the fetal position and suck my thumb" will still be leading this team.

TBH, at this point, Pioli doesn't get redemption till we go to the bowl, otherwise it's all shit with peanuts in it. You may like peanuts, but you're still eating shit, and Pioli is the one holding the spoon and force feeding it to us.

Mellinger is spot-on with what he wrote this morning. There's no trust. In fact, the more Pioli says it, the LESS we believe it.

So there's no proven connection between more spending and winning? But is there a proven correlation between not spending and guaranteed losing?

And there's certainly a proven connection between having elite franchise QB's and winning championships, yet Pioli continues to ignore that, hang his hat on "The Patriot Way", (which ironically is built around an elite franchise QB that in their collective genius they themselves passed on 5 times before picking), and "The Right 53."

He could win back the fans very quickly by admitting that mistakes were made and that great leaders re-evaluate themselves and do things differently. But it's not in his constitution. He could win hearts by saying that until we become a champion, that he has failed. Instead, he says that the goal is to "get better, improve, and win some games"?

He hides behind the curtain of arrogance, this "I know what the fans are saying but this is the truth" stuff. But the reality is that he's actually the LAST to know what all of us have figured out:

It ain't working. And if it ain't working, you have to change it.

I think 99% of fans don 't realize what goes into running a business. All they see is what the media reports and our 0-2 record. As a business owner I have to make decisions that I know the employees are saying WTF but I have to do what I have to do because I have to look at the big picture. Personally I think Pioli is headed in the right direction, our roster is better than it was 4 years ago and again we need a better QB but who's availabe ??? I know draft one but it's an awful high risk with a first round pick.

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for anyone just reading this thread for the 1st time, this theatrical scene sums up the general sentiment

Excellent points all, and well stated, Mr. CaliforniaChief.

I award this post 19 Cassel balls.

FAX

Thanks. That's more in line with what I thought and I thought I read that somewhere. It's going to be a even playing field starting next year and Clark wanted this. He was a major part of the negociating this.

We did roll over money. I think it would have been used on Manning if possible. I think we could have used more free agents but they have to want to come to KC. Several guys came to visit and left. Tolbert was one. Yeremiah Bell was another. Aubrayu Franklin? There were more.

I personally do not think Clark is cheap. I think he's in over his head and being manipulated but he's not cheap.

He's cheap.

He failed to write a check for $25 million to Brandon Carr for guaranteed upfront money and he failed to write a similar check to Dwayne Bowe.

Don't fool yourself: He's cheap.

Carr's a mystery but I get not signing Bowe long term. We can tag him once or twice and force him to play hard.

Maybe Carr just really wanted to go to Dallas and didn't want to stay?

As a scientist and self-motivated raconteur, I've taken it upon myself to conduct some grass-level research into this matter. I've checked out twitter and several other Chiefs sites and even looked at the comments sections below articles and things.

Here's what I have found; there are a ton of Chiefs fans who firmly believe that their role is to support the team through thick or thin. In fact, they think that it is their responsibility to bolster the team's self-image by purchasing Chiefs stuff and going to games when we suck. This, of course, is odd considering it's very similar to sending Hitler a get well card after he shot himself.

These people believe what Pioli and Crennel say. They will never waiver and they will never quit on the team. That, my friends is why the Chiefs have been able to dump elephant dung on our heads for 50 years and call it manna. Because these people are so committed, I fear that our dreams of mutiny are out of reach and our goals to overthrow the installed powers are hopeless. It is time to drink and drink heavily. Or, should you happen to possess some marijuana, that would probably work too.

FAX

He didn't offer Carr that contract because he didn't want Flowers to get pissed. Pioli is a ****ing idiot.

There's less risk with not drafting one than to try. Especially now that the signing bonuses for first rounders won't break the bank or kill the franchise for years to come.

A contract was never offered, so he never had an opportunity to choose.

Clark Hunt is cheap. Don't fool yourself.

Bowe is an elite receiver and should be paid as such. There's just no doubt about that.

The Chiefs should have given up their entire 2012 draft and next year's number one for RGIII.

If that had happened, would the Chiefs currently be 0-2 and outscored a billion to one?

Would anyone miss Poe, Allen, Stephanson, Menzie, Wylie or Hemingway?

How about Stafford v. Jackson, Cassel, Magee, Berry, McCluster, Arenas ??

Good post and I agree. It's going to be impossible to get your average Joe Fan to care if we win a few games.

Said the reporter... Maybe that was specualtion? It would be hard to prove that...

I want Pioli out.

I don't feel that way.

Ideally, we need to see an epic collapse by CASSEL, and we need the rest of the team to play well.

There are plenty of players on this team that i feel are, and should be, major contributers to this team. An epic collapse would mean that those players aren't who we thought they were, and that the team would need to be rebuilt from top to bottom AGAIN.

I don't feel like waiting another 3-4 years.

I'd much rather RaC figure it out, the D figure it out, and Cassel shit his pants and force his way off the starting lineup.

Could care less about Brandon Carr. They needed to open the check book for Bowe though.

Our only hope of Polio and Cassel being sent out on a rail is if they stay bossom buddies and continue the fail parade all year.

I think the odds are still in favor of Polio, Cassel, and Crennel all being back next year. We've only lost two games, and we haven't had a stretch of games with a half empty arrowhead to show Clark yet

This is so true. And what did RG3 cost, $21 million over 4 years? Tyson Jackson, the 3-4 DE, cost $57 million, $31 million guaranteed over 5!!!

You could?

It's times like these that I miss Hamas.

I'm still not convinced that Carr wasn't going to leave for Dallas all along, so I'm hesitant to throw that one at the feet of Pioli.