Kent Babb says Pioli will be here even if we go 4-12
 

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...kent-babb.html

Comment From shakatak
Do you think Clark Hunt will ax Pioli if the Chiefs go, say, 4-12 this year or are we stuck with him for awhile?

Kent Babb: shakatak, I think you're stuck with him for a while. The bottom line of this thing is that Pioli makes the Hunt family a lot of money. I mean, a lot. And the Hunts look at this not just from a team loyalty standpoint but also as a company. That's understandable, because it's true. But, man, Pioli knows have to save/make money, and that gives him a cushion. Plus, Clark wants people to hang around for a long time. That doesn't make it right, in this case.

And people want Pioli's head?

The Hunts are the real problem. Unfortunately, business is what matters more to them.

Would help if you had your facts straight.

We will probably know sometime in the next couple months.

If he agrees to move on from Cassel, I dont care if he stays.

At least he has shown the propensity to try and put as many pieces in place for his quarterback to succeed.

"you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make her think. Ya dig?"

Prepared For another season with ole number 7

There is no way Clark can extend a loser GM.

He is not that dumb.

"Hey, Scott. Thanks for assembling a shit team that has accomplished nothing. Take some more money."

The only hope we have as fans is to pressure Clark into telling Peeholi that he has to take a 1st round QB.

Someone take a sign to the next home game that says PUCK FIOLI

I have been saying it's the Hunt's for years. It's one thing to be loyal and keep the GM around for years, but it's another to make it all about money.

They've lost the base. Game changer.

If this team goes 0-6, the stands are going to be empty. No concessions, no merchandising, and season tickets sales are going to fall. If there isn't fan hope, there isn't $. At some point, you have to win enough games to give the fans reasons to spend their $.

Imagine if we go 4-12 and then Pioli's contract is renewed for another 4 years. Season ticket sales would tank. They'd have to outright cut Cassel to get any excitement in the season ticket market. Anything less and the apathy will be intolerable.

I don't think Pioli is safe at all at 4-12. Sacrificing Matt Cassel on Mt. Moriah would be the minimum tribute required.

Of course 10-6 and a playoff game restores the luster to the NFL Executive of the Year. But Romeo just doesn't have enough in the tank to enforce that kind of discipline to get this roster and this QB to that record.

The stuff between 6-10 and 9-7 worries me. Those records are achievable and could allow maintenance of the status quo, depending on how the season unfolds.

Quit pissing in my cheerios. 0-16 FTMFW!!!!!101010101010101!)!!010101

Yep, now if KC goes 0-10 after the Steeler loss Pioli's ass will be grass . The key is being out of the playoff race swiftly and convincingly. As I point to the Herm/Carl/Clark relationship prior to the SD loss were pretty secure in their standing.

I hope they get destroyed by Pitt.

I want Haley's O to hang 50.

If they extend Pioli with Cassel still being on the roster, they deserve what they get.

And empty stadium and the look of embarrassment from all those involved.

nah, there are too many homers.

If they're 1-8 or 0-9, those homer won't be there in November and December when it's rainy, cold and snowing.

I hate to wish failure upon the Chiefs but at this point, that's what it will take for a regime change.

Stadium will be empty but the STH money has already been paid. I know, I know, vendor money. But look how long it took to get Carl gone in a similar situation.

I just don't see Clark getting rid of Pioli. It is not the Hunt's style.

If the Chiefs don't win more than and continue to struggle defensively, Clark won't have a choice.

And right now, two games is looking like the ceiling, not the floor.

The Steeler Game will be key to the future of both Cassel/Pioli in KC if we are still losing as bad as we are.

1-8 hmmmmmm. I only say 1 because of the Raiders sucking just as hard as the Chiefs.

Exactly. If we go there and Haley thumps us it will leave Pioli looking like a shit head, we need a 34-7 pitt win

Empty stadiums also lead to blackouts on TV. And blackouts lead to local businesses rethinking their advertising dollar. There could be a little pressure from that angle as well.

The Chiefs record during the Peterson years was 176-143-1. Marty, in the years 1989-98 only had 1 losing sesaon. Gunther was 16-16 in his 2 years. Vermil was 44-36. So, if you take away the Herm years, Peterson's run was pretty successful. It took exactly 2 disaster seasons for Clark to pull the plug. I think Pioli is walking a thin line with Clark. Clark's a pretty smart guy, so if he sees a bunch of empty seats in the last 2 months of the season, I don't think it's going to take him long to figure out why. While the Chiefs aren't the main source of income for the Hunt family, it's a cash cow as long as fans enter that stadium.
In summary, if the Chiefs go 4-12, Pioli goes if he continues to tout Cassel as the franchise QB. If he is willing to part ways with MC, he stays on a short leash.

LMAO

Kinda like when you reeruns said Casshole should be benched 3 seasons ago if he sucked?

Pitch forks and torches to the next home game.

It's going to be hard to get him out. He's got Clark under his thumb.

So everyone wants us to lose. What great fans ! I got an idea, how bout let's hope we go 12-4. Would everyone still want Pioli out ?

Your choice to be a fan.....

Hog Farmer I hear ya, and I have never wanted this team to lose. Every year I've been optimistic at a homer type level to the point family and friends think I'm crazy. I can't see this team winning 5 games this year.

Its fan apathy after 20+ years of the same old thing.

yep, the main issue i have with Pioli is his forcing the issue with Cassel, if he admits Cassel cant handle the Starting QB role then i'm ok with him staying.

I don't want us to lose. I want us to figure it out and start kicking arse. Unfortunately i've seen alot of football in my day and I just don't see it happening. For several years now ive wanted to move on from our QB and it hasn't happened.

I did not renew my season tickets this year because of it and won't until we have some hope at the most important position. For now i'll watch the first half (or quarter depending on the game) and if its going bad, i'll go mow the lawn or fix what needs fixing. I have better stuff to do than waste time on a team that is going nowhere.

I'm sure people will say I am just a bandwagon fan because of that but I paid for season tickets through some pretty bad seasons and kept going because i love this team. I just can't put up with the abuse anymore.

I would love that, but explain to us how Pioli, Clark, and Crennel are going to make that happen.


It's like working for a farmer that is completely failing, yet still saying,"Hey, let's grow 250 bushel corn this year!". Nice thought, but it's not happening.

I sure hope you're right, n00b. That's the most optimistic post I've read in a long time.

(I don't count the idiotic posts from guys like LA Chieffan who think Matt Cassell is the bestest quarterback ever).

Elway on Bowlen and how the Broncos are run:

"The bottom line is, he's a competitor. He gives us all the resources that he possibly can. I will say this, the mentality starts at the top and Mr. Bowlen starts that mentality where Football is #1 and business is #2. There are a lot of teams in this league where its the other way around, but that doesn't work, if football is #1 then you got a chance to be competitive in the NFL. And that's how Mr. Bowlen puts it, Football #1 and business #2."

He says it at the 20:39 mark in this video http://www.denverbroncos.com/multime...2-99b9fa33b09d

We know Denver is ran better than KC. Stop reminding us, please.

I have this feeling we start out 0-10 or so while eventually using a qb carousel, then we put matt back in because the other two suck on finish 5-1 with tons of props given to pioli and cassel and extension money galore for both.

Any GM is going to make Clark Hunt a lot of money in today's NFL.

The ONLY way any changes will be made is if people stop going to Arrowhead and the local TV blackouts start.

TV money's already in the bank. **** you bandwagon fans/Clar Khunt

We got cable and payroll taxes taken care of. /taxpayers

I see what you did there. :LOL:

Sadly I disagree. Even as awful as we have looked so far and the clown we have as QB we should beat Indy, Cleveland, and take one if not both from Oakland. I could also see us taking one from SD and/or Denver. Plus we will steal a game we shouldn't win as we always seem to do, much like the GB game last year. That puts us around 6-10 or 7-9, or our standard for mediocrity.

In this league, no one goes 0-10. Even crappy teams (like the Raiders) will win occasionally when the other team is not focused. We don't have a crappy roster (other than QB), so we'll win a game here and there along the way.

Clar Khunt.

That is clever. I am going to start using this with your permission.

We play Indy at the end of the year, which gives Luck more time to adjust to the speed of the game.

He might regress back to the college game speed while playing us......

I'm with this. If Cassel is gone, and we draft a first round QB, I don't care if he's here. However, if in April, Cassel's still being touted and we pass on a QB, not one person should show up at Arrowhead.

if Cassel's still on the roster come April, half the roster probably would not show for for 2013.

I keep hearing that Clark loves Pioli because he makes him a lot of money. Well, surely Clark must know that if Pioli put together a Super Bowl team....that would make a HELL of a lot more money than this shit. We don't even necessarily have to spend THAT much more to make it happen. We just need a GM that actually hits on his free agent signings and draft picks. Plus....a QUARTERBACK.

this is what drives me crazy

if this town had a QB worth rooting for, $$ would roll into the franchise

this team needs a Face, and that Face needs to be a QB....a whole lot of problems can be dealt with if fans believe in the QB

Why?

He's done a shitty job building this roster even apart from the QB position.

And he hasn't shown any ability at all to determine what makes a good QB. WTF do we want him handling that draft pick for?

I want him gone - period. He's done shit over the 4 years he's been in charge of this trainwreck. He can't find quality coaches. He can't assemble a quality lineup apart from the pieces he inherited. He had a lousy draft record in NE, a worse draft record in KC and he has no earthly idea what to look for in an NFL quarterback.

He sucks. He's just ****ing terrible. I don't want this ass-wagon to have any hand in this team going forward, regardless of what he does with the quarterback position. If he tries to draft a QB, he's just going to !@#$ it up.

there is one and only one way for Pioli to begin to gain the trust and excitement from the fan base back and that is to draft a franchise QB.

It's 30 years since KC took a chance with a QB i the first round and said,"We will sink or swim with this guy". In recent years I could understand the logic of trying to get 2-3 year players who have potential rather than drafting one high based on the exorbant signing bonuses that these guys were getting. they literally could make or break you.

But with the changes in the rookie pay scale, there is no excuse anymore, particulary given the rules changes that have made having an elite QB a near must have. Until this organization finally realizes this, I'm indifferent to whether they win or not.

........and STILL walk away with a 21 point win

Of course. But meant that he will be seeing college speed from our defense.

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Pioli mostly comes out at night, mostly...

What the Hunts don't realize is how much more profitable a winner is over mediocre teams :banghead:

I never said hes the "bestest quarterback ever", I simply said hes probably top 10

LMAO

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Then why don't we put you in charge??? (Great movie!) :thumb:

I doubt Pioli gets fired, Hunt is a slow mover

so is Pioli

Pioli is not going to want to fire HC in back-to-back seasons ... just not going to happen.


I imagine the biggest changes we will get is a DC help and a QB draftee.

Hmmmm....what Patriots coordinators have been fired recently? Oh wait! Even better - Mike Vrabel! He could totally be our new DC. He has coaching experience now. I'm sure Pioli's buddy Ferenz will speak very highly of Mr. Vrabel.

Hmmm...what about the quarterback? Is there a 5th round graded QB from the SEC? Oh if only AJ McCarron was a Senior. Jordan Rodgers seems like a good fit though. He's Aaron's little brother (PEDIGREE!!!!), he went to the 'smart' school in the SEC so he's clearly one of the right 53. Oh, and he kinda sucks.

DONE!

I'm excited for 2013! I'm ecstatic to be a part of it! GO CHIEFS! WHOOOOO!!!!

one who sucks the penis...

Exactly.

He ain't even "all that" but Arrowhead would have been filled with RYAN ****ING TANNEHILL jerseys. Think about that.

Think about the $$$ that Clark would be BATHING in right now if they had traded up for RG3...

He played at Ohio State. I'm sure Kirk Ferentz could care less about Mike ****ing Vrabel. :)

And FYI, Ricky Stanzi's successor at Iowa, James Vandenberg, is a senior. :D

But they're both in the B1G. Pioli's not leaving the SEC without an endorsement from Ferentz.

Ah hell, who am I kidding, he'll just call Papa Bill and good ol' BB will tell him what to do.

With any luck, Belichick will tell him to kill himself.

I agree.

ROFL

If this happens I won't be watching.

ROFL

Awesome.

LMAO

This thread title is the most depressing thing I read today.

ashamed .. again .....

So no opinion at all huh?

If he will give up on Cassel I wouldn't care as much.

Cassel is his biggest mistake and the team's biggest weakness. There is no conscionable reason not to give up on him. Not doing so constitutes a lack of qualification for the GM position.

I'm not even convinced that Cassel is his biggest mistake, just his most obvious one.

Jackson, Haley, the OC debacle, Crennel as HC, Pendergast....there are a lot of good options to choose from.

He's been a goddamn disaster.

It's been a spectacular faceplant for the Executive of the Decade, huh?

I'll go with the thought that Cassel gets the sacrifical axe before Pioli does. That buys Pioli at least one more season, and gives Clark all the reason not to fire him when it comes time to give him an extension.

He's already said he's uncomfortable taking a QB in the first.

Who is playing like a freshman, although I don't think any of the receivers can catch.

I've never heard of a complete ****ing failure GM getting an extension.

Anyone got an example?

the hard truth is that 3 players are responsible for what minimal success pioli has had here, and all were acquired before he got here:

Charles had one of the greatest seasons by a RB in nfl history...he carried - literally - the team to the playoff: he even made Cassel look like a real QB (a hurculean task)

Hali single handedly provided our pass rush...now, he's thrived as a 3-4 OLB, so credit for the switch to pioli...

Bowe...yeah, lots of dumb white people hate him because he flexed once, he is also the only consistent offensive playmaker we've had since trading gonzo, and done it with one piece of shit QB after another

no one acquired in 4 years years has done anything close, with the exception of Berry's rookie season which was truly great...